Whiny Floridians are already blaming FEMA in 3 days for not having

[xultar]

vital supplies ice and water.

I thought Jeb had the shit under control. :shrug:

I thought Jeb had shit pre-fuckin-positioned. :shrug:

Hummm...

So there is something to what the Gov of LA was saying.

:rofl:

I'm not laughing @ the tragedy I'm laughing @ a Rethuglican Governor who is apparently Disfuckinfunctional.

I wanna hear FEMA blaming JEB.

Let's watch Lou Dobbs and see what they say.

[chelsea0011]

1. Seems like just yesterday he was doing the Bush laundry list....

15 trucks of ice, 20,000 tons of RTE meals. The Bushes love lists. Now it is, YOU ALL should have been prepared. What did you expect from the feds? A decent job?

[NMDemDist2]

2. Eddie Schulz had a trucker call in from the fairgrounds in Ft Lauderdale

said he waited 36 hours in Jacksonville, and has been over 12 hours at the fairgrounds with a load of ice waiting to be dispatched.

he said there was over 500 trucks sitting there with him full of MREs water and ice. The National Guard is keeping them sitting until the word comes through where to send them

x(

[lonestarnot]

Heard that! Stupid ASS doesn't know how to

"give the word."

[xultar]

5. That sounds soooo fucking familiar.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. It didn't take long for jeb to start blaming the victims either.

jeb is a bloated slower version of chimp.

[xultar]

6. Welp it went from don't blame FEMA, Blame ME to Blame your own damn self

fuckers...:rofl:

[MissMarple]

4. I'm going to need a lot more popcorn.

:popcorn:

Poor Jebby won't know what hit him, Dobbs (I hope),Olbermann, Maybe little cutie Anderson, Jon Stewart, and ALL of liberal talk radio.

Warning: It's going to hurt his feelings.

[xultar]

7. I'm goin to make a fuckin drink. I shoulda bought some Pcorn today

but I didn't. Dumb on my part.

[MissMarple]

12. Bring me a scotch with a splash of water while you're up, will you?

Please. ;)

[xultar]

15. No problem! I'll make it a double.

[MissMarple]

16. I like the way you think.

:bounce:

[Nobody]

8. With a grain of salt I offer the following...

Guy called up Ed Schultz today. He is in Miami and just weathered Wilma. He's out of power and the power company recording says that it'll be a couple weeks before power will be restored.

He's been through Andrew and Christina and power was back fully restored in three days (Andrew) and 1 day (Christina).

His theory is that the power company wants to make people desperate and then jack up rates.

Given what Enron pulled and our current administrator, I can't just dismiss this as tin foil hat thinking.

I eagerly await indictments all around. I hope they're quick so we can rebuild our country and rebuild our reputation worldwide.

[xultar]

14. Makes perfect sense and Jeb won't do SHEEIT.

[BOSSHOG]

9. What Jeb with a weaker hurricane pales compared to Kathleen

It can't be? Jeb a republican with, wink-wink, an insiders nod to the feds support is fucking things up.

Thank God for Florida that Wilma wasn't the bitch that katrina was. If I were a republican I could just pass this failure of the republican party hierarchy off to God. But since I'm not, I won't. Its your fault jeb.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Hey, I resent the whiny Floridians comment

A lot of folks, especially in South Florida are very old and the majority of people are not super rich. Living in a disaster area gets old quick. Not having electric is a big deal, for many reasons and not just because it's uncomfortable.

[William769]

11. Has been a certain persons theme here for the past couple of days.

My mother is elderly & lives on a fixed income, I had to go get her & bring her to my house. She live in Naples (that doesn't mean she's rich!).

[xultar]

33. YOU DON'T GET IT. It proves that FEMA is EFFED UP. They should whine

after 2 days. Hell after one day.

Re read the post. I know it is complex but if you read it again I bet you'd get it.

[xultar]

13. Do I have to put a sarcasm icon in everything or can people understand

that I'm comparing FL to NOLA.

Why it is was NOT OK for the negros in LA to complain but
After 3 days FL residents can complain and they are gettin shit.



Come on now. This is some BIG STUFF.

They called the GOV of LA disfunctional. Why not JEB?

[William769]

17. You didn't call Jeb "Whiny"

You called Floridians "Whiny".

ON EDIT: the race card has been way overplayed! Last I checked there are people of all color in South Florida.

[xultar]

23. That is because JEB IS A FUCKIN ASSHOLE.

I know there are PPL of colour in FL. I'm making a point in how the media treated NOLA folks and how they are treating Floridians.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Maybe if you stick to bashing politicans

without bashing the rest of us, it would go over a little better?

Thanks.

[xultar]

25. I am. WTF. I'm using the term Whiny to make a point. The NOLA

people were considered whiny too.

Let's compare and contrast.

[Tomee450]

43. I don't think the OP was bashing at all.

I understand what the OP was trying to say. The people of NOLA were ridiculed. Terrible things were said about them in the media. Comments such as "they did not have enough sense to evacuate," and "they were waiting around for their welfare checks." The victims were being blamed for the conditions they found themselves in. In addition, the democratic mayor and governor were also blamed. Now we see the same thing happening in Florida that occurred in NOLA yet we don't see the victims, mayors or governor being treated by the media or the public as the population and government official of Louisiana were treated. I think the OP was attempting to show the contrast. I had similar thoughts. FEMA has once again not done a good job.

[MADem]

42. I figured that was your point

Jeb needs to go to a sports stadium, take a crap with thirty thousand of his closest friends, and then fire off an email asking his bruddah for some hep!!!!

[Pepper32]

19. Yeah, that was kinda harsh.

I went through the Black Out and it was not fun!

[theHandpuppet]

18. Can someone please explain to me...

Why, in a place that has been hit by multiple hurricanes in the past 18 months, folks don't even keep a few days' supply of fresh water on hand? I'm not even talking about your basic emergency supplies, but damn drinking water?

Sorry, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind (and my sympathy) around this. We live in WV, probably the place least likely to be hit by natural disasters, and we keep a stock of food, water and emergency supplies on hand at all times. I simply don't get it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. Fresh water is only one problem

6 million people without electric and widespread damage creates numerous problems that you can't possibly prepare for.

[slackmaster]

31. I'm prepared for 2 weeks with no electricity, water, food, phone,

cable TV, or Internet access;

:argh:

coupled with widespread damage and the threat of people who didn't prepare for the foreseeable crisis in Southern California.

:party:

Seriously, that is my standard for earthquake preparedness.

:nuke:

[Porcupine]

34. They have fresh water in the water heater. Usually 30 gallons.

If somebody would be so kind as to show them where the drain valve was.

If I were a Florida resident I would be taking Noah's example and be building a big boat about now.

Happy Climate Change.

[Pepper32]

35. Especially at night it can get very scary.

The worse case scenarios start running through your mind. :scared:

Also, seems people don't understand that you need a hell of a lot of water to sustain your family for a week or more! You need water for cooking bathing, toilet time etc.

Without it, conditions can become quite unsanitary very quickly. And there is also no way to keep ice frozen, so you're constantly having to drink very warm beverages.

I know boo-freakin-hoo but go a few days in humid weather with nothing cool/cold to drink and tell me what it's like!

Also, the silence alone is enough to drive you insane. No humming of the fridge... nothing. Unless of course your lucky enough to have a colicky baby around. :)

[theHandpuppet]

36. And???

If I knew a hurricane was headed my way, I'd take the time to fill the tub with water. Also any buckets and containers I could find. Toilets can be flushed with this water, or even water from a dehydrator. You can wash from a sink rather than soak in a tub.

My partner and I keep a clean, 55 gallon metal trash can (with a trash bag liner) on hand so in case of an emergency we can quickly fill it and have enough water to get by. We save our plastic water and beverage containers and keep them clean and filled with water. Right now we have at least 40-50 gallons of fresh drinking water on hand.

Please, don't give me some sob story about the humidity. How warm was it in Florida today? My partner and I were trapped in a blizzard for four days with no way out, no heat and no electricity. Try that on for size.

And if your afraid of the dark, try getting a few oil lamps. They actually work without a switch.

[Pepper32]

38. And, how long do you think all of this water will last? Perhaps a week?

Depending on the size of your family. But I am hearing stories about power not being restored for a month!

I doubt if a tub of water will last anyone that damn long. Sorry.

OIL LAMPS?? LOL, OK. It has nothing to do with being scared of the dark. I was thinking more along the line of break-ins etc.

I'm just speaking from experience. Where I was somewhat prepared, as the Black Out came without warning. During that time it was beyond humid, many elderly folks died due to heat exhaustion. However, I guess it was their fault. :shrug:

[theHandpuppet]

39. I'm talking about the folks who did NOTHING to prepare

There's really no excuse for not having even a few days of water on hand, especially when you have warning that a hurricane is on the way. People were lining up IMMEDIATELY after the storm, many in their Escalades and Explorers. Funny they could remember to fill up their gas guzzlers but not pick up a few gallons of drinking water.

Being without power for a month is not what I'm talking about here and you know it. Nor am I referring to the elderly, the sick or the infirm. That's a knee-jerk argument. And you didn't answer my question about the weather in Florida today. Seeing that it's almost November, I sincerely doubt anyone is going to keel over from heat exhaustion.

But I'll tell you this. We have freeze warnings here tonight. Should the power fail we have stockpiled wood for the fireplace. There's enough food in the pantry to last several months, water enough for several weeks of drinking/washing, oil lamps for light, a crank lantern and a solar-powered radio. If we need hot food there's a camping stove, but our backyard grill would do. Add that to our other emergency supplies and we could make do. That doesn't mean we'd be comfy, but surviving doesn't always include having all the conveniences. Being prepared has taken effort and diligence, but it is well worth it.

So you'll have to pardon me if I seem a little less than sympathetic towards those who have the means to be prepared but obviously didn't bother... in fact, some of these folks weren't even prepared to survive one or two days without being able to pick up what they need at the mall. I call that irresponsible if not downright dumb.

[Pepper32]

45. Okayyyyyy, you don't care, I get that!

At least now I can sleep better at night knowing you are prepared and everyone else is irresponsible. :eyes:

[Boomer]

40. You're twisting the argument, damned if I know why

The issue theHandpuppet raised is why do able-bodied people neglect to make basic preparations that are entirely within their power to control.

There's nothing you can do about heat if your AC goes out, but if you're young, healthy, and flush enough with money to afford an SUV, then you can stockpile a week's worth of food that does not require cooking and at least a few day's worth of water. Plus ordinary emergency supplies like lamps, first aid, solar or battery-powered radio, etc.

Don't wait for the news of an approaching hurricane or the possibility of an earthquake to run to the store and stock up. Every household should always be prepared, precisely because there may be little or no warning when disaster hits.

Emergency workers should be free to concentrate on helping the elderly, the handicapped and the ill, and those whose homes were destroyed. Everyone else should be able to to fend for themselves for at least a few days, until the crisis has begun to stabilize.

[Pepper32]

44. Obviously you didn't read who my intial post was responding too...

I had no issue with Handpuppet's comment, I was agreeing with Doyoueverwonder's comments based on my experience during the Black Out. :eyes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5181362&mesg_id=5181718

She/he (HP)responded to my post and THEN we went back fourth over dumb shit that's really getting old.

I agree you should stock up on survivor items as much as possible. However, certain things you can't prepare for, like being without electricity for a more than a week. Perhaps if you are single you can and there is always the option of evacuating. If you have the means to do so...


Feel better now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5181362&mesg_id=5181945

[slackmaster]

28. Most people are basically stupid

Sad but it's a fact of life.

[Boomer]

41. I'd be kinder and say they're just complacent

There appear to be several generations of Americans who are accustomed to getting what they need, when they need it, at the local mall. They don't think ahead, don't think in terms of disaster preparedness, and expect that someone else will immediately make things right when things go wrong.

Again, bracing myself for everyone who will gleefully distort my intent, I am NOT talking about some poor 85-year-old grandmother whose house has been flooded up to the second floor. That is a disaster that goes beyond basic preparedness.

I'm specifically addressing the healthy, able-bodied, comfortably employed people whose house is left basically intact but who wake up without electricity or municipal water. That situation is irritating, even uncomfortable, but the discomfort would be whole lot less if they didn't have to wait in line for five hours to get a bottle of water.

Whenever a snow storm is forecast in my region you can bet that thousands of people will panic at the last minute and fight crowds to strip the store shelves of water and milk. I don't have to do that because I already have everything from bottled water and powdered milk to peanut butter and canned foods already stocked.

It's just common sense to be prepared for the most likely scenarios. Why would anyone living in a coastal region during hurricane season be so unwilling to make that effort?

[slackmaster]

46. Kindness is for the weak and meek. Stupidity exists.

Stupidity cannot be cured. Ignorance can be remedied. Ignorant people can be taught to take care of themselves. Truly stupid people need help from the rest of us.

[xultar]

29. What I don't get is why they are blaming the residents and not FEMA & JEB

In both cases NOLA and FL...
They blamed Govenor Blanco and Mayor Nagin and the residents. FEMA did fine. Why didn't the fuckin IDIOTS in NOLA evac...WHY didn't they have 3 days of food and water? Why didn't they have cars?

But why aren't they blaming JEB. Jeb is having a NO CRITICIZE ZONE. WTF is that about?

[LuCifer]

21. And now for a report from Ft. Drum!

Ok, I got power THANKS TO MY DAMN GENERATOR! Otherwise, I'm ok.
Nat. Guard (amazing we have ANY left in the USA!) is giving away ICE and WATER nearby. Ok, uh, what about for those who DO NOT have generators?! MAYBE THEY COULD, OH I DON'T KNOW, USE SOME GODDAMN FOOD?!?!!??! MREs, anybody?! I mean, damn dude!

I had to go all the way to freakin LAKE WALES today (58 miles!) to get gas (THANK YOU FOR THE LOW GAS PRICES Mr. "PRESIDENT"...asshole! Sorry to overstate the OBVIOUS!) for my generator and some food. Okeechobee got TRASHED, Vero ain't much better, there was a MASSIVE back up on the westbound of SR 60 in Yeehaw Jct. The shit was backed up ONTO THE TURNPIKE! Unreal! Alot of Osceola & Polk county were FLOODED, I mean BADLY. I saw a trailer underwater, and approx. 2 DOZEN CARS ALMOST TOTALLY SUBMERGED!

Needless to say...I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS! AND THIS COMING FROM A FL NATIVE!!!!!!!!

Lu

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Holy cow

I've got a lot of friends down in that area. This sucks, I hope they're okay.

[LuCifer]

32. Hell I'm lucky to be on here on the Internets!

My local fone company has generators rigged to these whachamacallits?! Those (I guess) relay boxes you see here and there. Whatever they called. Anyways, otherwise, I'd be SOL for fone!

Oh it's amazing. I said in another post, and I will again, THOSE WINDS WERE BEYOND FREAKING on Monday morning. That crap wook me up out of a ROCK SOLID sleep, shook the house HARD! I thought certain it was a tornado. "And now place head between legs and kiss ass BUH BYE!" It HAD to be 100 mph guts, and 70-80 sustained! IMAGINE WHAT IT WAS LIKE SOUTH OF HERE?!?!? UGH! Almost EVERY plant outside is now tilted to the SOUTH cuz the winds were constant from the North, with slight variance to NE and NW.

I'm still amazed my area fared so well. I think that last year, with Francis & Jeanie, all the "weaker" trees got ripped up, and there wasn't all that much left for now!

But damn, all those pix I've seen from Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Miami, I mean, HOLY SHIT. If they ain't giving out MREs down there, SOMETHING IS GODDAMN WRONG. Oh wait, excuse me, who's are dickhead governor again?! Oh yeah, I forgot! :puke:

Lu

[Porcupine]

26. They were expecting a pig picking and free beer? oh Jebby!!!

The American people and the people of the Gulf Coast and Atlantic seaboard need to get one thing very clear.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU LIVE OR DIE. IF YOUR ELDERLY MOTHER, CHILDREN OR PETS SUFFER HORRIBLY. THEY DO NOT CARE.

There, I hope that clears that up. We're very, very clear on this one point here in California where the seasons are flood, fire, earthquake and riot. That's why we have two Democratic senators and a Dem legislature.

[watercolors]

27. Prez will bring in the supp;ies with his visit!

We just drove my mom back down to Vero Bch today. Half the city is without electric, she is one of the lucky ones. Half of her park is without, they just got a small delivery of ice and water, not from Fema, but local walmart! There are no areas to get supplies, my mom's neighbor called and asked where is the help! He was told they didn't know there was a need! The lines at gas stations were so long, we were just shocked. Yes Jebbie is doing a great job, at least he said so! Its just us whinney Floridians. Before Fema joined Homeland we neverhad a problem getting what was needed. Our area is flooded, as we had 10- 12 inches of rain, it is quite a mess ,but our local sheriff dept is right on the job, we are getting serious help from locals. Our creek met the lake and water has no where to go, St. Johns is flowing and our whole area looks like a large lake. When we built, we had the pad built up several feet, we are dry, acre nest to us under 2 feet water, it is really wierd to see it. Mother nature cannot be compromised, we have to bend to her will, just another lesson for all to learn! You either love Fl or leave it!

[xultar]

30. And pose with them and put them back in the chopper for the next visit.

[Porcupine]

37. Yum!!! Plastic Turkey