Fitz assigned a case. Seems to be doing his job. Therefore, he's a deity?

[Mr_Spock]

I was never that good at at analogies, and this one is especially mysterious to me? :shrug:

[villager]

1. No -- but when was the last time anyone in government "did their job?"

n/t

[Kenroy]

8. I would argue

that 99% of people in government do their jobs every day. Most civil servants and elected officials are there because they truly care about government.

Don't slander all the good people because of a handful of crooks.

[Jed Dilligan]

14. I agree

Every govt. employee I know is a very hard worker. My friend in FLA with the Federal government has been working 17-hour days since the 17th and won't have a day off for 3-4 weeks.

[villager]

18. willing to stand corrected viz. rank-and-file

but: last time anyone who ran anything, or wielded actual power, did their job?

[Kenroy]

21. Today

n/t

[villager]

29. isn't that the whole point of this discussion?

n/t

[Kenroy]

31. No

the discussion is about whether or not we should revere Fitzgerald for doing a competent job.

This sub-thread is about whether government workers are lazy assholes or diligent, caring people.

[villager]

33. oh, come on. I was merely pointing out that people aren't used to

gov't officials having *any integrity* -- at least not the ones in public roles.

That's what this discussion is about. Main thread and sub-thread.

[Kenroy]

39. ok

now we're getting somewhere.

I believe the vast majority of government officials have integrity. They're well-meaning people who want to do a good job. Some of them suck at it, but that's true of any profession.

The "public roles" come and go. They last four, maybe eight, years. The career people stay there and do a pretty damned good job.

My parents receive their Social Security check every month. My neighbor on Medicare gets taken care of. The highways are passable.

Could it be better? Of course it could. And any decent Democratic president would make sure it gets better. The Republicans just want to make it worse so that they can let their friends take over the business.

[villager]

41. I don't dispute any of that, in particular, and good avatar, btw

But: The government has, in the main, been the enemy of the people in its routine collusion with big business, which has happened steadily if not since the Civil War, then certainly since WW II.

This doesn't mean that good, decent people don't occupy desks, or even occasionally, chairs in the House or Senate.

But it does mean that, taken as an institution our government has failed its citizenry.

Quick example: the ravages of global warming. We know the Repugs won't do anything about it. But the Dems were too afraid to let us "handle the truth," as well.

[Kenroy]

46. Fair enough

Now we're discussing whether or not Government has worked, overall, on the big issues.

I agree with you that government had NOT done well on the big issues. But why is that? Because we have a (limited) democracy. People don't care about the big issues.

Our country is lacking BIG leaders. I love Gore, Kerry, Mondale, et. al., but where are the FDR's and the JFK's? The other side had Reagan, and they've been riding that corpse-sled down the mountain for 20 years. We need to do the same.

We let them trash Clinton - who was the best president of the second half of the 20th Century - so he's out of bounds now.

We need a great Democratic President who will once again convince Americans that government is a good thing.

[villager]

49. While Clinton clearly was light-years ahead of Bush,

in that he was sane, for starters -- even if self-serving -- he was terrible on environmental policy. As terrible as these guys? No. Did he do what needed to be done? No.

So -- if one party is evil, and the other won't "lead" -- per your comments above -- where does that leave us?

I haven't even touched the corporate stuff, the "media monopoly" bill Clinton signed, etc.

That's my point -- government is in collusion with corporations. It's always a miracle when someone like Fitzgerald seems to have a higher interest...

[Jed Dilligan]

32. Jerry Brown

Say what you want about the guy, but he is one hard worker.

[Kenroy]

20. Yup!

That's my experience, too.

The Republicans want to convince us that government is bad, that government can't work, that it's all a big boondoggle.

Therefore, they make SURE that government doesn't work. It's their modus operandi.

Fuck 'em. We need government, we can make it work, and it's a good thing.

[krkaufman]

30. Exactly. The "government is evil" meme is a Rethug sound bite.

Government can be a force for good, when run by people who believe it to be so. When run by those with contempt for government, not so much.

[Mr_Spock]

43. It's the Republican self-fulfilling prophesy

Funny thing about it, they inevitably get kicked out for doing a lousy job! :rofl:

What would one expect from a bunch of thugs who don't believe in government?

[xultar]

2. Need more popcorn...

:popcorn:

[xchrom]

5. bring enough for two...

[Mr_Spock]

12. I like popcorn too

:D

:popcorn:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

3. When was the last time anyone ELSE did the same?

:shrug:

[zippy890]

4. Definately NOT a deity

He's way better than that

:evilgrin:

[LittleClarkie]

6. No, but he may be the bringer of good stuff

He's Santa!

[Mr_Spock]

36. LOL! I'll be happier than a pig in shit to have this post shoved in my

face tomorrow :D

[Straight Shooter]

7. Don't you think Saint Fitz is a nice counterweight to Saint Ronnie?

:D

[qanda]

9. God forbid things don't turn out the way we want them to

Fitz's name will certainly be cursed around here. That's why I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high.

[burythehatchet]

10. Yeah what with all these damn libtards?

The dude's about to bring down a major part of a fascist regime and they're all like "oooooo, he's my hero"...gawd.

[nookiemonster]

11. It is sad.

With all the mediocrity going on in the government, it's nice to see someone do their job.

Unfortunately, the bar has really been lowered thanks to BushCo.

[sysoprock]

13. I respect Fitz because he is doing his job, and doing it well.

If he wanted to he could leak as much selective information as he wanted to tilt the case in the court of public opinion one way or another, and be a partisan hack like Starr.

However, he is not. He's kept and extremely tight lid on his case and is playing it completely by the book, which is why it's so hard for FOX and Co. to smear him.

[Mr_Spock]

17. I dig that about him big time, still not sure what gifts Santa is giving

have there been any indictments yet?

[sysoprock]

23. tomorrow sparks will fly.

[Mr_Spock]

27. Then we can talk...

I'll wait until then - and beyond - before I pass judgement. I do respect a person who takes their job seriously and is truly non-partisan.

[Mike03]

15. Don't underestimate the value of integrity

nowadays. It is in short supply. I don't really see the purpose in these sorts of threads.

[OzarkDem]

44. In a perfect world, he'd just be "doing his job"

But these days, having the courage to put up with what is probably enormous political (and otherwise) pressure while sticking to the letter of the law is considered exceptional, above and beyond the call of duty.

[Mike03]

47. I agree OzarkDem

Just in my little unimportant world, we are waging a war against a corrupt school district, and a water war. That is just my little town, population 15,000. There is no courage here at all. And if you dare to stand up, you can expect death threats. I don't think it is as easy as it used to be to stand up for an opposing point of view.

[Der Blaue Engel]

16. Blasphemy!

Santa is not a deity! He's a jolly old elf.

No soup for you!

[Mr_Spock]

22. Close enough :D

...he mine as well be a deity based on the super-high pedestal he has been placed on here :D

[Der Blaue Engel]

28. You green-blooded, inhuman--!

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[Mr_Spock]

34. True, I am an impartial alien

observing the situation from afar... :hippie:

[Der Blaue Engel]

37. Isn't that a Sting song?

:smoke:

[Mr_Spock]

40. lol! I could hear the song in my head the minute I read title

Good catch :D

...for some reason I can't remember the real lyrics though?

[Balbus]

19. The term you're looking for is "flavor of the week." - eom

[Mr_Spock]

24. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of...

I was hoping we were more "big picture" than this - at least WRT such a devastatingly serious issue like this.

[NJ_Lib]

25. Fitzpatrick kind-of reminds me of The Beatles...

Created/Sent by Something/Someone not quite of this earth... ;)

[napi21]

26. I think you're forgetting what history hast taught us.

If you recall, Ken Starr was the most recent Special Prosecutor that made headlines. He had more leaks than the Titanic! He kept his face on the TV for YEARS!!!!

Now, people see this new Special Presecutor. He's been investigating the case for 2 years, yet most people wouldn't know him if he held a door for them. The MSM is NUTS because his office hasn't leaked a damn thing! He consistently answers "No comment" to every question.

Fitz appears to be behaving like the public believes prosecutors should, and when they compare his MO to Starr's, they can't help but admire Fits, by far!

[Mr_Spock]

35. I do admire Fitz tremendously!

Call me selfish, but I would like to see the results of his investigation before I pass judgment. He's definitely on my list of potential hero's! :D

[napi21]

38. If there are no indictments, you won't...EVER!

Although I believe there will be indictments, I have to recognize the opposite is a possibility.

[never cry wolf]

42. Not a deity, but to be respected and admired

Think of all the entities and people that did NOT do their job in the face of this fascist administration. The repube controlled congress has been a facilitator, even many of the dems. The SCOTUS put the simp in office in the 1st place and has done little to slow down a damn thing. Even the 4th estate has done more than look the other way but has abetted and covered for the most criminal group of thugs in the history of this country. There have been a few that have spoken out but in the MSM it has fallen on deaf ears.

NOBODY has done their job, at least those in a position to do something about it, until Fitz. I have no doubt that tremendous pressure has been put on him and his assistants. Hell, if he were married and had a family this whole thing may have fallen off the radar screen months ago.

Admitedly, we don't know the results yet and it is possible they will be very dissappointing. If that is the case I will forever lose my faith in the USA, whose founding principles I cherish. But as of now, I see Fitzgerald as the last great hope of any kind of check or balance against the blatant corruption that has taken over our government.

He is not a deity, but IMHO he may be the last hope for the success of the great American experiment. I pray he is all we perceive him to be.

[Mr_Spock]

45. Admired - yes - but how far have we sunk as a nation?

I think we will recover either way things go though - I cannot put that much faith in a single investigation. I do think that the general trend for this administration is down and out no matter what the outcome. I can't think of a single person I know who takes these folks seriously any more...

[never cry wolf]

48. Don't count them out, they are like cockroaches

Look at what happened after Watergate. 4 years under Carter, an honorable, honest man and then he was trashed for 8 years of a senile actor and Iran-Contra. The public was so upset that we had 4 years of poppy.... They forced the left to the middle, even middle right and the sheeple were none the wiser.... It's been the same players all along, and the same sugar daddies backing them....

However, if it comes out in the MSM that we were lied into a war. If 1/10th of the shit that had happened under this admin becomes part of the public consciousness it will break their backs forever.