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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:49 PM
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They can dance around the president all they want
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 12:38 AM by libertypirate
I noticed that they are trying to confuse who got the information from whom? In this case it’s quite simple they got it from the Secretary of State the guy they replaced he brought it with on their trip to Africa. This puts Presnut in the cross hairs there is a finite amount of space on Air Force One.

It would seem that this article lays the question to rest...
http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/2003/07/wmd-intel-memo-delivered-to-secretary.html

They are trying to dance around this little reality that already exists.

Also something was bugging me today... So I went over the WH transcript that wasn't on the WH website... When they were Africa.. Found it on a State Dept. Website:)

The behavior here is quite odd don't you think? Oh and while your reading notice Ari admitting they knew the documents are forgeries. Oh yeah in the transcript that was not on the White House own website.


http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/2003/07/white-house-daily-breifing-from.html

MR. FLEISCHER: Yes, we're back on the record. After the speech, information was learned about the forged documents. With the advantage of hindsight, it's known now what was not known by the White House prior to the speech. This information should not have risen to the level of a presidential speech. There was reporting, although it wasn't very specific, about Iraq's seeking to obtain uranium from Africa. It's a classic issue of how hindsight is 20-20. The process was followed that led to the information going into the State of the Union; information about the yellow cake was only brought to the White House's attention later.

Q: Ambassador Wilson said he made a case months before that there was no basis to the belief --

MR. FLEISCHER: No, he reported that Niger denied the allegation. That's what Ambassador Wilson reported.

Q: Was that report weighed against other --

MR. FLEISCHER: And of course they would deny the allegation. That doesn't make it untrue. It was only later -- you can ask Ambassador Wilson if he reported that the yellow cake documents were forged. He did not. His report did not address whether the documents were forged or not. His report stated that Niger denied the accusation. He spent eight days in Niger and concluded that Niger denied the allegation. Well, typically, nations don't admit to going around nuclear nonproliferation.

Q: But he said there was a basis to believe their denials.

MR. FLEISCHER: That's different from what he reported. The issue here is whether the documents on yellow cake were forged. He didn't address that issue. That's the information that subsequently came to light, not prior to the speech.


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The hard ass rethuglicans are screaming Wilson is a liar. Makes him prime candidate for who "Mr. X" is.

This is what I think, because I am free as fuck to do so and to say so.

As for Wilson being "Mr. X" I believe he was the first to be caught in the cover-up gone sour. He was the first to give evidence in his role to deceive people on the definition of the law and how the controlling law would apply. In this case the sighted law by Wilson and also David Corn is invariably much more difficult to get a conviction. This is the fall back law they hope to intimidate their prosecutor into thinking is the best he will ever do, then pardon themselves. Because it doesn't have the sensational punishment the controlling law does it won't warrant as much importance. Duh news control... Sorry wake up sheeple…

The controlling law in this case doesn't really give a shit about motive. Also the NDA the fucktards in the WH signed states these laws and the consequences for breaking them.

The procedures when handing sensitive materials marked (S) for secret are documented for all to see. They are not a secret. They state that you are to assume information that you think is secret to be secret because it is a crime to leak information that should not be leaked. The law does not ask to prove motivation, which is what the IIPA does.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000794----000-.html

I like (b) the best

(b) Whoever, in time of war, with intent that the same shall be communicated to the enemy, collects, records, publishes, or communicates, or attempts to elicit any information with respect to the movement, numbers, description, condition, or disposition of any of the Armed Forces, ships, aircraft, or war materials of the United States, or with respect to the plans or conduct, or supposed plans or conduct of any naval or military operations, or with respect to any works or measures undertaken for or connected with, or intended for the fortification or defense of any place, or any other information relating to the public defense, which might be useful to the enemy, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

The identity of Wilson's wife was information essential to the defense of our country directly communicated to the community they were defending us from, our enemy the terrorist. You know they guys trying to get weapons of fear and distraction.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:51 PM
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1. File this one in the Area 51 alien abduction file.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:58 PM
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3. I link my work, eat me...
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 11:58 PM by libertypirate
fucktards working hard tonight!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:53 PM
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2. They can't handle the truth...
It's obvious.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:06 AM
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4. Questions/Comments
1. Do we know who was on the trip to Africa besides Bush and Powell?

2. That transcript with Ari sure shows how much more information he gave in a press conference than Scottie does. Scottie never says anything of significance.

3. The law you quote says this: "with intent that the same shall be communicated to the enemy." The idiots in the WH exposed Plame out of anger and frustration in an attempt to discredit and ruin Joe Wilson. Do you think what they did would pass the part of the law applying to intent to communicate the info to the enemy?

Great post and thanks for the links and info!
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:25 AM
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5.  Ari, other aids
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 12:25 AM by libertypirate
Rove was not...

"to intent to communicate the info to the enemy"

I believe making a persons identity officially documented as (S) for secret public would constitute the intent. She can't do her job if it is publicly known that the Joe Wilson's wife worked in counter proliferation undercover in the CIA.

Yes on your second question, but I don't believe the same Wilson story I think as you....

There is more in the bottom of the posts article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517_pf.html
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:07 AM
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6. If you don't think pres is in deep trouble read the wapo article above
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