Who is MR X??? Post your theories here

[MADem]

We've heard a great deal about MR X--the mysterious person who is involved in the Plame investigation. Some think he is a subordinate outside the WH who gave the name to reporters http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/25/decision-tommorow/ while others think he is inside the WH http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_26826.shtml ...

I am starting to wonder if Mr. X is George Tenet, Mr. "Slam Dunk" himself. Remember how irritated he was when the GOP was gunning for him, and then, suddenly, he gets a medal and goes away "happy." Perhaps he figured he was being set up to be sold down the river in some fashion??? Perhaps he has been on the Fitz team all along?

If it is Tenet, this thing could be bigger than anything imagined.

Of course, it could also be a janitor who overheard Cheney snarling on the phone to Judy or Novak!!

[Warren DeMontague]

1. This Guy:

[punpirate]

2. My guess is...

... that there is no "Mister X." It's a creation of the right wing noise machine to divert attention from the real perpetrators. Note that the "Mister X" stuff started to appear at just about the same time that Cheney's name appeared in the press.

M'self, I think it's diversionary tactic, and a not very good one.

[Tiggeroshii]

4. agreed. n/t

[Tiggeroshii]

5. agreed. n/t

[libertypirate]

6. Flame me now...

Wilson is "Mr. X"

All the screeming that Wilson is a liar, is a red flag...

What does Wilson have to do with their fate now?

Bottom of my other post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5186786

Oh and that post has a link to the washington post article 2 months ago which tells where they got her name.

[MADem]

9. But he has been out there

Do you think he has additional information that he has not shared with the public?

[libertypirate]

11. Yes

Bottom of my other post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5186786

[punpirate]

14. Pardon me for being confused...

... but why do you say Wilson is Mister X, when in your original post, you say you think it was Tenet?

If you believe it is Wilson, what is his motive for ruining his wife's career? What is his motive for taking a chance of prosecution himself?

After all, the rumors are that a mysterious Mister X was the person who actually gave Plame's name to the press first. That would make the mystery person one more perpetrator of the crime (see below).

Discussions of Wilson's wife--within the government amongst officials with clearance and the need to know--is not a crime. So, it's really of no point whether Cheney says he got her name from Tenet and Tenet denies that. What counts is who told the press. And who is the one person in the White House who told the grand jury that he got her name first from the press, and then got caught in that lie?

That's right--Rove. Now, who thinks he stands to gain by a revelation that someone else leaked her name to the press first? Rove.

At this late stage of the game, it's fairly transparent, at least to me. This is a survival ploy, and it's not very convincing. Rove had motive, means and opportunity to commit the crime, as did Libby, and Cheney, at minimum, had knowledge--if not foreknowledge--of what they did.

Here's a little twist in all this: everyone who divulged her name to a non-secure source committed the same crime--not just the first person to do so. It only became common knowledge because of Novak's column. But the act of telling a reporter her name, if done intentionally and with foreknowledge of her status, is the crime. There's nothing in the statute about temporal primacy. Fitzgerald knows this.

[MADem]

19. That poster never said it was Tenet, I did.

I'm looking for theories...someone has got to be feeding Fitz some good info, playing the Deep Throat, giving him a road map.

My question: does the road map lead UP the chain of command, or does it "walk back the cat" DOWN the chain of command? If the former, the source is likely a mid level official, who heard something from someone higher up, who got info from someone higher still, etc. If the latter, it has to be someone with close, continuous, immediate, whenever needed, no appointment/no waiting access to the Prez. Someone like, say, Tenet...

[punpirate]

21. Whoops, sorry...

... got confused. Not enough sleep, I suppose.

I dunno. Tenet is such a weasel that it's hard to judge how he fits in. One can only go by the surface details at this time.

It's possible that Fitzgerald has figured most of it out himself--after all, most all of us have a feel for how, for example, the Italian forgeries fit into the picture, so why couldn't Fitzgerald (which is likely how he put, most likely, the collar on Hadley)? If he can do that, maybe the road map is in his own head.

One thing to consider--he's not doing this on his own--he's got four other attorneys as staffers, investigators, the FBI, and McNulty's other case involving some of the participants in meetings with SISMI. Lots of ways to bounce off ideas and possibilities.

Whether it goes up, or down, we'll just have to wait and see. My guess is that he's already delivered indictments, sealed and waiting, maybe for the bigger fish to get nervous. If any of those list Bush as an unindicted co-conspirator, you'll have your answer about the direction. :)

Cheers.

[MADem]

24. And he just signed a lease for new office space, so this thing is going on

I just wonder if he is playing "connect the dots" or if someone has given him the picture, already drawn, and he is placing the dots on it in the form of indictments.

The pucker factor at the WH has to be extreme at this point. Heh, heh...!

[SoCalDem]

3. hmmmmm

[Meatwad]

7. Homer Simpson

[sleipnir]

8. Call it coincidence, but Dark Man X is looking at hard time

Probation violation, but....!!!

[hang a left]

10. Does anyone remember the discussion about an argument

that took place at the WH between * and Tenet like a day or two before he resigned. I can't remember where we all heard it but if someone can give me a date when Tenet resigned I will go do a search before I go to bed.

[lies and propaganda]

12. Gannon?

I just wonder if he actually will play out to be a role in this.
I doubt it, but i would crap my pants if it happened.

[liberaltrucker]

13. *

hey, could happen

[Dr.Phool]

15. John Bolton

He was Undersecretary of State for Proliferation issues. My guess is that Plame probably briefed him personally. He was on the plane when that memorandum was being passed around. And what about the papers they refused to turn over for his confirmation hearings? My guess is that some of the intercepts he requested from the NSA had to do with Wilson or Plame.

And he did visit Judith in jail, and she moved over to covering the UN after being re-assigned.

[MADem]

18. Bolton was not on the plane, he was in Australia during that time

...but having said that, he surely would have had access to the thing, given its origins at STATE and his job there. One need not have been at the front of AF1 to have access to the memo.

More along your line of thinking here: http://rpayne.blogspot.com/2005/07/is-plot-thickening.html

The speculation is that Bolton may have seen the original June 10 memo and attempted to shoot down its contents sometime before Colin Powell got it on July 7. Representative Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) has previously revealed that Bolton played a critical role in the creation of a December 19, 2002, Fact Sheet entitled "Illustrative Examples of Omissions from the Iraqi Declaration to the United Nations Security Council." This was created as part of the US response to Iraq's required report about its WMD activities, turned over to the UN in December 2002, as required by Security Council Resolution 1441. One item specifically mentioned in State's summary: Iraq had failed to disclose its "efforts to procure uranium from Niger." On July 14, 2003, of course, INR publicly revealed it had long questioned that claim. Yet, perhaps thanks to Bolton, it was part of the US case for war.

Of course, Bolton was in Australia at a conference the week after Wilson's op-ed appeared, but that doesn't mean he didn't talk to someone between June 10 and July 5 (when he was still in Washington). Indeed, Wilson heard rumors that he was going to be named publicly as the source of skeptical reports about the Niger uranium story "in late June," which is one reason he decided to write his July 6 op-ed.

[Norquist Nemesis]

26. My guess on this too

but not through being on the plane. I'm guessing he used the intercepts and had her name handy for future use/reference if needed. Then, used Hanna as an unwitting tool to feed the information and go after Joe Wilson.

[Binka]

16. Jeff Gannon Or Ari Fliesher

BTW I am back to singing my Judy and Cheney are/were lovers tune. She is/was also having a Scooter Pie on the side. Dick is pissed. More at Ten!

[SpiralHawk]

22. Beff Jannon?

I am shocked, shocked, shocked at the very suggestion.

[0007]

25. Judy a lover of Dick or Lynne? Dick is pissed at Scooter or Lynne?

Either way if true are you writing love stories these days? No offense intended!

I'll hold tight until Ten!

[PatriotMom]

17. Hummm Mr. XXX maybe? I have lots of thoughts on this one

Maybe time for him to get even.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

20. james woolsey

[Dinger]

23. GHWB

Ex-CIA head, godfather of the bu#h Crime Family.

I know, whatever . . .

It's a THEORY.

[MADem]

27. Hey!!!! That may seem far out, but remember what Brent Scowcroft

said!!! He has totally broken ranks with the 43 crowd, is estranged from his protogee, Condi, and "doesn't even KNOW Dick Cheney anymore." http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/articles/051031on_onlineonly01

And he and GHWB are 'bestest' friends....

[Dinger]

28. Hmmmmm. Thanks For The Support MADem!

I sort of threw that out there.:)

[MADem]

29. The bottom line, really, is that no one knows anything, but there is no

harm in wondering, or making educated guesses. Keeps the mind sharp!

I am not married to my opinion re: Tenet, I too, just tossed him out as a likely guy, in the right place, at the right time, with the means, motive and opportunity to be a big flipper in all this.

I figure I (and all of us, really) can learn a little something from tossing this ball around--can't hurt!!

[AngryAmish]

30. nixon