The War is NOT a "single" issue

[Solly Mack]

it's government corruption
it's a government that has a torture policy
it's a government that lies
it's about assorted other war crimes - to include the illegal invasion/occupation itself
it's about betraying the laws of our nation
it's about damaging national security by outing a CIA agent
it's about making the world, and America, less safe by creating more would be terrorists through bad foreign policy
it's about the deaths of thousands upon thousands for absolutely no reason whatsoever - other than greed and imperialism.
it's about betraying the America people
it's about violating international law
it's about using the military for lies and business gains
it's about dirting the soldiers
it's about bankrupting our country to pay for defense contracts
it's about leaving our country vulnerable to the point we can't help hurricane victims
it's about social services being cut to pay for a lie
it's about the amount of shit Americans will eat until they say enough is enough.

War is NOT a "single" issue

it's economic issues, it's foreign relations issues, it's diplomacy issues,it's domestic issues, it's criminal issues, it's poverty issues, it's the breaching of national security issues...and so on and so forth.

[Mel]

1. hear! hear!

May I copy and send this on to my Congress-critter? I am not going to vote for my Rep. if he continues to support an Illegal War and Occupation.

[Solly Mack]

4. Hi! Sure

:)

This "war" has straggled America on so many levels, and continues to do so.

[Cults4Bush]

2. 100% correct, to say it is a single issue enables those who support

it, and that is all that little lie does.

There is no way around this fact. People who feel the need to use this as an argument to support their Dem of choice need to go back to the drawing board.

Its an insult of the highest order to those of us who put our conscience over political party affiliation. This something we used to despise the reichwing for. It disturbs me to find it so deeply entrenched in our own party.

[Solly Mack]

7. Why people can't see that this war was just an excuse

to promote a neo-con agenda, is something I'll never understand. Anything that props the war up, furthers the neo-con agenda.

I can't support the war - for any reason.

[Cults4Bush]

10. Nothing but empathy from me on that.

I can't support the war and ALL of the ISSUES it represents in the negative. I can't support Dems who support atrocities by not denouncing the thing in firm and clear language. I cannot support those who put political expediency over human lives and civil rights and economics and on and on...

[Solly Mack]

12. I posted this on another thread

it sums up my anger

"staying the course" is just legitimizing the lies
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 03:05 PM by Solly Mack

when people say "we need to finish the job", what job are they talking about?

Bush started the "job" and he started the "job" (whatever the fuck that is) based on a pack of lies

So to finish the job - is to play the lies out. Since the "job" is one or more of many lies used as an excuse for illegally invading Iraq.

It just legitimizes the lies.

And if we legitimize the lies, the people who told the lies will never be held accountable.

People are dying for lies. As long as we remain, people will continue to die for lies...And NOTHING - NOTHING AT ALL - will change that.

I don't care if 100 years from now Iraq is a flourishing democracy that is the envy of the world - WE STILL WENT TO WAR FOR LIES. People STILL died for LIES. Nothing is going to mitigate that...nothing is ever going to erase that fact. NOTHING.

You can't make this right. There is no making this right.

We need to admit America was wrong. We need to admit the invasion/occupation is illegal. We need to jail those responsible. And we need to pay reparations - and allow others to help Iraq help themselves out of the mess we got them in.

America fucked up....America IS the problem in Iraq. America will NEVER be the solution.

[Cults4Bush]

14. That is so on point. Iraqis do not want us there. Iraqis do not need us

there. To think otherwise is arrogance and from some mouths I would dare call it racism.

Those who worry about Civil War are unaware that that is already happening, those who think the elections in Dec will change it are speaking without understanding the depth of anger, that is now all we own and need to fix according to the pottery barn rules of engagment.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

41. Very well said

:toast:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. It's a single issue, it's the elephant in the room. Other issues connected

[Cults4Bush]

5. Its not an elephant in the room, its a whole damn herd in a mansion.

IMHO anyways...

[Solly Mack]

9. That elephant has killed thousands of people for NOTHING

That elephant is bankrupting America.(economic issue)
That elephant is breaking international law.(foreign relation issue)
That elephant is breaking US federal law.(criminal issue)
That elephant is gutting social services.(poverty issue)


That elephant will be the only winner in this entire mess.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Exactly.

[niyad]

6. thank you for putting it in such a simple, easy-to-grasp list. would you

give me permission to post this on my own boards, for the enlightenment of my idiot trolls?

[Solly Mack]

8. Sure!

and you're welcome. :hi:

[fed-up]

13. I agree

Copied my post from another thread-

Yes, my candidate of choice must pass a litmus test and being anti-war is one of the key issues. Follow the money!

Thirty to fifty percent of the federal budget goes towards military spending. How can democrats support other social needs if there is NO MONEY left after spending it on war related items (including health care for those injured during the war)?

Cities, counties and states are receiving less federal dollars because of this illegal, immoral, unjust war. Programs are being cut left and right.

Funding for the sick, elderly, children, education, health care (medicare/medical), disability/in home care, food stamps and heating programs have all been cut because tax dollars are being spent in Iraq.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-budget27.html

House votes for cuts, plans more today

WASHINGTON -- "House Republicans voted to cut student loan subsidies, child support enforcement and aid to firms hurt by unfair trade practices as various committees scrambled to piece together $50 billion in budget cuts."

I am also very concerned about the war as I have a 17 YO son. My brother served in Gulf War I and still has lingering health issues. I will personally escort my son out of this country if a draft is implemented!

I want a candidate that supports a national health care program. I also have concerns about the environment and our food supply (factory farming/GE crops). I want a candidate to be strong about cleaning up our air, soil and water. I want a candidate to be strong on alternative energy funding. I want a candidate to be anti-nuclear energy. I want a candidate to stay out of the bedrooms of Americans. I want a candidate that will reverse the tax cuts given to the wealthy.

I want a candidate to push for voting reforms. I want a candidate to ban corporate contributions to candidates running for/in office. I will NOT vote for a corporate whore.

I really, really like Kucinich!

[Solly Mack]

15. Excellent points!!!

This illegal war was just a ruse to steal from the coffers and to create laws to control the people.

[KG]

16. it's only a 'single issue' to the simple minded.

[Solly Mack]

17. Maybe it's just too nuanced for some people

Though I don't see anything subtle about it

[KG]

18. they suddenly see nuances when it comes to voting for wars, tho.

[Solly Mack]

19. Good one!!

ZING!!!!

[Cults4Bush]

20. Holy crap! Thats a great point!

They sure as hell do.

[Karenina]

22. Me neither.

You GO, girl!!! :loveya:

Can I get 3 more nominations and 10 more amens?

[Solly Mack]

23. Hey you!

:loveya:

[Cults4Bush]

21. Kickin' for those who claim the opposite. n/t

[jonnyblitz]

24. THANK YOU... fax this to the hillary clinton fan club who

keep repeating this simplistic, deceitful BULLSHIT. :thumbsup:

[Solly Mack]

25. It's how I see it.

:hi:

[leftchick]

26. well it is a single issue for the pro-war freeps

"Bomb the shit outa those ayrabs"! I actually have heard this screamed by a freeper while he was holding his baby in his arms.

Excellent points all Solly, nominated!

[Solly Mack]

27. Me too! "Kill them all!" And it's just that simple to them

if you just kill them all, the world will be all milk and honey

Thanks! leftchick

[Cults4Bush]

28. One more thought on this...

This has been true through all time. It is the reason that war is far and away the most dangerous undertaking a country can embark on. That is also why when a country lies and cheats its way into war there is no appeaseing it. There is no fixing it. There is only comeuppance and reparations.

To continue to support such folly can make fools of even the most well intentioned.

[Solly Mack]

29. Well said!

Thank you so much for everything!!!

[seabeyond]

30. ok ... how about the people that make it a single issue,

either with us or agin us.
pro war/anti war
pull out all now/or you are for the war

[Solly Mack]

31. War is not a single issue

And no one can make war a single issue

This illegal war is a symptom of a country gone very wrong. The illegal Iraq invasion/occupation will never, ever, be a single issue.
I believe I stated why already.

[tnlefty]

37. "George Bush has turned me into a Democrat."

This was stated to me Sun. afternoon by my repub mother's repub friend. She brought all of this up, stated 3 times that we've had some bad presidents before but never one this bad or this dumb. She called him dumb 3 times. She went off on the corporate greed run amok, the killing of the middle class, not enough resources to take care of our own here at home (referenced Katrina, funding for education, and basic public health specifically).

She then went off on Treason and did Bush and Cheney really think we're dumb enough to not know that they ordered Rove and Scooter to do what they did. She then mentioned that we "little people" will never see true justice done in this matter. Next came DeLay and she wanted Frist strung up by his scrotal sack. This led into the push toward a theocracy by this bunch of so-called christians and mentioned, "but unlike most of us, they don't even try to do the right and decent thing.":wow:

My 15 yr. old was sitting on the couch beside his grandma and his jaw was dropped through part of this.:wow:

This rant of hers ended with "this country is in big trouble and a lot of it is coming from within. I'll vote for democrats at all levels for as long as I live or for at least the next 4 election cycles, if I live that long, because it'll take at least that long to start cleaning up this mess." :wow:

I was stunned because I know she's a repub, but she sounded like a populist dem.

edit: typo and to add that she also was ranting about abortion and how she could've sworn this was settled long ago, and did we really want to return to the old days when women die, because it won't be stopped if it is outlawed again. This woman is 70ish.

[Solly Mack]

44. Goodness!

I would have had to pick my jaw up too - I know some set in their ways older folk...but then

People are full of surprises aren't they? Not as set in their ways as we think they are

[IrateCitizen]

43. Those are dichotomous choices, not single issues.

Semantics, semantics....

[G_j]

32. true, true ,true! -nominated-

to refer to people as "one issue" "purists" regarding this war is either a) incredibly uninformed, b) very disingenuous and seriously insulting to the intelligence and integrity of some of America's best, most caring people.

Your post is 100% accurate.

[Solly Mack]

33. Thank you, G_j!!!

:hi:

[mwb970]

34. It's all one story. (n/t)

[Cats Against Frist]

35. Well said

I think the GOP would like us to confuse the idea of "pacifism for pacifism's sake" with a major clusterfuck that threatens our Constitution, our economy, our treasury, our status in the world, our future safety, our rights, our freedoms, etc.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. All "issues" are not equal. Great post.

Boxing it in as a "single issue" gives the pro-war, pro-occupation, forces a way of minimalizing it, as if it were equivalent to voting to put Reagan's face on a postage stamp.

Those, of either party, who voted for the war or support the occupation will not get my vote.

[MountainLaurel]

38. Some additional issues

It's about cutting federal financial aid at the same time poor kids are joining the military because it's their only way of paying for college.

It's about the culture of violence in U.S. society and how it can allow travesties like Abu Ghraib.

It's about the anti-intellectual movement in this country, which is why there aren't enough translators and why Americans don't see Iraqis and Muslims as fully human and have no desire to understand their perspective on world events.

It's about the rise of the Religious Reich, and their Crusade in the Middle East.

It's about the overdependence on fossil fuels.

[Solly Mack]

42. Thank you!!!

It's an ever growing number of issues.

[Zhade]

39. K&R

KICK

[Joe Chi Minh]

40. It's good to see that you realise the wide-ranging

and horrendous ramifications of wars of aggression, Solly Mack and others, and this war in Iraq, in particular, but I very much hope you are not a follower of Wes Clark, because this URL should make it clear that there are wolves in sheeps' clothing, who make all sorts of claims that fail to bear even cursory scrutiny.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1839

Clark has never repudiated American imperialism, just failure to implement it successfully. Nor does he have any objection concerning the former (though extant under another name), School of the Americas.

So, here you have someone credited by his supporters as being an dyed-in-the-wool critic of the war, yet, who, to put it mildly, has been very equivocal about the merit of the war and stands in opposition to some of the very issues you otherwise rightly associate with it. The fact is that those so-called "insurgents" are nothing other than resistance-fighters, like the "maquisards" in occupied France in WWII, patriots prepared to risk their lives for their country.

I spoke of the war as a "single-issue" for that reason, i.e. because to some, that is how they are using it. It happens that the material welfare of the American people, while dreadfully adversely affected by the war in Iraq, is also the result of the cynicism of the hard right, simply in terms of the domestic government of the country. And that internecine domestic war that is always being perpetrated against the people by the hard right, in favour of their own narrow and unpatriotic self-interst, needs to be addressed with the same passion as the war of physical weaponry being waged in Iraq.

[G_j]

45. kICk

[G_j]

46. ~~