"They" are DONE with Bush.

[Dover]

And the attacks on Miers which resulted in her withdrawal only adds to Bush's appearance of weakness. And if Miers would have defended him were he to come up for any type of legal prosecution or impeachment then this will prevent her from impeding that process. Anyway, if she was as loyal to Bush as is being stated by the press, then it would make sense that he'd choose her if he knows that the tide has turned against him from all sides.

That is IF R. Moore is correct in his assessment (re: his analysis of Brzezinski's true motivations as revealed in his latest article about Bush...which supports the PNAC plan as outlined in his own book).

It's hard to keep it all sorted out, and determine what's real and what's a manipulation and who is working with and against the other.

From R. Moore's article (which makes sense to me given the actions, rather than words, of those that align themselves with Brzezinski..which are Dems and Repubs alike).

... So far, it seems Brzezinski is simply doing a hatchet job on Bush, using his prestige, saying whatever works as anti-Bush propaganda. This would
indicate that the CFR-level community is ready to dump Bush, as they dumped Nixon, hoping that all the shit will stick to him as they flush him away, as it did with Nixon: the scapegoat scenario.

..snip..

The whole neocon clique were known to be a pack of attack dogs: they were unleashed; they captured territory; we can now apologize that they got off leash; and we get to keep the bits we want. It was necessary that Bush based the campaign on lies, so that we can now say that he was wrong but he was sincere and perhaps deranged -- getting us off the hook for our actual oil-imperialist motivation. Before joining the neocon lynch mob, recall Bob Dylan's words to those who felt like lynching Medgar Evers' killer: "He was only a pawn in their game."

As a consequence of this well-thought-out grand strategy, if that's what it
has been, the U.S. would emerge not only with its oil and bases, but with most of its military forces mobilized and freed up from active assignments.

http://tinyurl.com/7twev

OR

http://cyberjournal.org/cj/show_archives/?id='740'&batch='16'&lists='newslog'

_____________________________________________________________________________-


If that is a valid baseline assumption then it should make it easier to decipher the unfolding events to see if they support it. It might also explain why Bush Sr.'s old buddies spoke out against Bush JR.'s policies early on, to everyone's surprise. And it might explain why so many DLCers signed on for this war.

[henslee]

1. But will this put an end to all her girlie-girl thank you notes?

[Dem Agog]

2. What is a "CFR-level" community?

I'm ignorant... But curious and willing to learn. :-D

[Dover]

4. I assume it's the Council of Foreign Relations

http://www.cfr.org/

Brzezinski is part of this bipartisan think tank

http://www.csis.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=105

http://www.csis.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=108

[tanyev]

5. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole,

do a google search on Rev Moon and the Council on Foreign Relations.

[Fovea]

3. 2000 dead

bad pawn, no biscuit.

Time to burn the gameboard!

[izzie]

6. I frankly think the world is moving on with out us.

I think they are a little worried about our war machine but even that is in need of some help. All Empire seem to get to large and for get what made them good in the first place and I think our days are numbered unless we wake up.

[lectrobyte]

9. I think even if we woke up, and call me a pessimist, but I see little

happening to make that come true, short of a 1929-style situation, we are still tapped out -- no way to keep our economy going without the world's oil and other resources. It was a good ride while it lasted. Hope our Chinese owners are as nice when they come to take possession. Oh wait, they already own IBM, and are pricing oil companies...

[izzie]

12. I got to think it in this way

If we were a corp. and had 1000 homes the bank that backed us is going to hope we can pay and only as a last pick will they take over those 1000 homes. They do not want us to fail as we keep paying. I think that is where we stand. Specially when their is no one to pick up paying for the 1000 homes. To understand our eco. I always put it into terms I can get my mind around, sorry.

[Dover]

14. Well....keep in mind that the oil companies have been buying up

patents and small companies to use or sit on as they please. Some of these may, perhaps, already have some of the big energy and other problems figured out....for later release.

I've wondered if they are trying to farm out all our "old" stuff (industrial era) to developing countries before releasing the "new" stuff. Just a thought.

[Pathwalker]

15. Well, that's a happy cloud! I hadn't thought of that, Dover.

Outsource the out-moded, then release new technology ...so we don't end up as another third world country - is that your theory? I like it!

[Dover]

16. Just call me Pollyanna!

Hopefully that is THEIR theory rather than my mine. lol!
But if there's any feasibility to that theory, of course it would go hand in hand with effective foreign policies and endeavors...a big order. And I still think that regardless of all the rest, there is a huge financial adjustment that will occur.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Whatever it takes

to get rid of as many useless eaters as possible, I suppose?

[Nay]

8. The question is: Are they done with Republicans?

If not -- if they leap in relief to a different Repub, nationally or locally -- we're still screwed. And that's not even factoring in Diebold.

[Dover]

You assume that Brzezinski and his crowd are Dems?

This really has little to do with party politics and you'll find that Brzezinski's crowd is a bipartisan one. Their agenda is much broader than party politics, although it's clear that among these elite groups there are definite differences in HOW to achieve certain end results. The PNAC document and Brzezinski's book have much in common in terms of what the endgame is. It's more a question of HOW to get there.

[Dover]

13. dupe post

[Pathwalker]

10. Question: where does Cheney fit in, because it's

looking more and more like they're going to throw him overboard in an effort to save Bush. :hi:

[Dover]

11. Hi NB!! I recommend reading the whole article linked in my OP

because it talks a bit about Cheney...which they will also get rid of somehow. From what I gather from Moore's analysis, he's saying that Brzezinski's group allowed the neocon (Cheney/Bush) group to do the dirty work for them and take the fall. Now they can rush in like super heros and then pick through the ruins to decide what they'll keep and what they'll toss. They WILL keep a heavy foothold in Iraq.

I couldn't say how all this comes down in terms of who is whom (Repubs/Dems/neocons/DLC/etc.) as I'm sure the lines are pretty porous. But it does seem that the powers that be have always been for the Iraq chess move, and likely have further moves up their sleeves. It would be VERY interesting to do a comparison between the strategies outlined in Brzezinski's book (Chess game) and the PNAC doctrine. I don't know which was written first.