highplainsdem
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:31 PM
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John Dean on Countdown to discuss Plamegate |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:32 PM
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1. Curious about whether Dean will speculate, as he did last week |
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in a column, that there might not be any indictments.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:48 PM
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19. Hmm. He didn't. Maybe Fitzgerald's website, which wasn't up when |
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Dean wrote that column, as was pointed out here in the topic about the column -- and Fitzgerald's meeting with Rove's lawyer the other day -- made Dean think at least one indictment is likely.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:32 PM
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2. Dean say Fitz has performed as a Prosecutor should, i.e. no leaks |
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So no one knows for sure what's coming down.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:33 PM
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3. I'm not sure Dean is entirely objective on this |
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His essay last week was really poor.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:35 PM
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4. I agree--I think he feels more sympathy/empathy for the White House |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:35 PM
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(rather strongly) that the White House is going to attempt a "national security" defense. Potentially very dangerous to democracy. It is, as he knows, what Nixon wanted to do during Watergate.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:38 PM
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8. I wonder if that defense will wash at this late date? |
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It used to work, but I don't think people believe them anymore--the White House I mean.
Won't they have to offer some evidence for that defense to work anyway?
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:49 PM
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at best. Bush needs everyone indicted to quit. That includes, of course, anyone listed as an unindicted co-conspirator. Even Matthews pointed out Bush needs to be proactive tomorrow, and fire them. If he doesn't, he is invested in their defense. But the neocons are relying on Bush's natural stupidity and stubborn streak. They will sacrifice the host to promote the parasite's ability to survive.
The problem for them is that they do not want to make things public. They are relying upon federal courts to say they do not have to release information. The chances of this carrying the day seem remote. The more they struggle, the better it becomes.
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Thu Oct-27-05 08:02 PM
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22. I agree - I've long thought Bush expendable, and that he knew it - and |
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that explained the fear behind his eyes. "They will sacrifice the host to promote the parasite's ability to survive."
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Thu Oct-27-05 08:09 PM
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24. I agree H2O that "sacrifice the Host to promote the parasite" |
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Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 08:18 PM by IChing
However, this is a dangerous renegade, criminal cabal that has done crimes against humanity in Iraq, and blatant civil and constitutional violations here. I am taking a deep breath watching and hopeing that the nation can come out of it's nightmare without them trying to drag us all down the path of assured mutal destruction
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:42 PM
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15. That could backfire big time |
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After all they outed a CIA agent ...
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:55 PM
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21. His essay last week was tongue in cheek!! |
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He had just been on the Mike Webb show 2 nights before and he returned to his initial view that Judge Hogan's OKing throwing Miller in jail indicated that something really big was brewing....
Also, he discussed in detail the conspiracy statute and all the ways it could be used.
In his article, his caveat is "unless...." and we all know that the "unless's" are pretty damn big....He was teasing in that article....
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Thu Oct-27-05 08:04 PM
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23. Maybe. I am a bit of a dolt about such things. |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:36 PM
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6. Offered up the national security defense |
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If they thought they were protecting national security, they may not be guilty of anything. Also "there's no black letter law" on the subject. I'm afraid that this will be the defense and that Fitz is taking so long to file because he wants an air tight case and doesn't have on yet. (Trying to remain optimistic, but...)
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:42 PM
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14. And what do you think the possibility is that they thought they were |
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protecting national security? Isn't is an odd response to then out a covert CIA agent working on counterproliferation? And to immediately follow with outing a brass plate CIA propietary company working on the same thing? I anxiously await your answer.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:44 PM
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I just posted a similar question above also at 842:)
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:46 PM
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17. great minds and all... |
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Thu Oct-27-05 08:15 PM
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25. That's what Dean said, not me! |
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I just think it's interesting that I keep hearing this same "Proposed defense" - a trial balloon maybe? (if you'll pardon the pun)
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:48 PM
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18. In Franklin/AIPAC case, prosecutor said regardless of motive, still crime |
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When Prosecutor Paul McNulty announced the indictments in the Franklin case last August, he specifically stated that communication of classified information is a crime regardless of the motive.
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:36 PM
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7. Dean saying that the "I don't recall" defense didn't work for Haldeman |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:38 PM
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9. Keith said that tomorrow Jr is scheduled for Remarks on Terror. geech. |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:39 PM
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11. that means a press conf. tomorrow by bush. |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:38 PM
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10. ROFL -- Keith mentioned * is supposed to give a speech on terror tomorrow |
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Thu Oct-27-05 07:40 PM
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12. I love the baseball omens! |
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