Woodward on Larry King Live..."Plamegate is innocent gossip with NO

[WiseButAngrySara]

underlying crime." What a fool.

Innocent gossip, pursued by an overzealous prosecutor!

[H2O Man]

1. He's a shit. n/t

[NewJeffCT]

Didn't you tell me before...

That Woodward was part of a group of far right Republicans that wanted to bring Nixon down because he was too liberal?

I guess Woody probably loved Reagan, and now Bush Jr.

[H2O Man]

20. He has told

one of my relatives that Judith Miller is a hero. I think that one needs to belong to a very narrow group to believe that today.

Nixon was indeed brought down by the republican right. Woodward was, of course, working with Mark Felt, a very right-wing fellow.

[WiseButAngrySara]

25. Interesting. Well for a party that only MOUTHS ethics and morality,

I guess a few of them have to make a pretense of it! This is the most crooked administration that I thought possible. For Woodward to make statements to the contrary, while posing as a 'noble historian' makes me ill. Let him admire Miller. Few do anymore.

[Catherine Vincent]

33. He just said Miller is an underdog and he's for the underdog.

:eyes:

[speedoo]

37. Woodward's analysis is amazing ain't it?

He's for the underdog.

Fucking idiot.

[Garbo 2004]

53. At this point the American people are the underdogs. And we're not in

Woodward's or Miller's social circuit. No doubt Woodward also will champion Rove an underdog as well.

[the_spectator]

71. Judy's an "underdog"???

MUST ... RESTRAIN ... (COUGH ugly'ho COUGH) ... SELF!!!
NOT ... MAKE ... JOKE!!!

[glitch]

87. Perhaps that group is Operation Mockingbird Alumni.

Maybe they have a club. We know they have their own code words. Perhaps they consider themselves like aspens, connected at their roots.

Maybe they have secret handshakes.

Maybe, when they are on their deathbeds, they'll finally grow up.

[KoKo]

96. I think there's alot of truth in what you say. Mockingbird Alumni.

It explains alot.

[MADem]

99. He was USN intel, FWIW nt

[H2O Man]

101. Correct.

As had MF.

[Octafish]

94. Nixon's sin was he made peace with Red China.

The Reich needs its enemies to keep control of the war economy and to control the masses through fear.

Same happened to Pruneface Reagan. The guy goes and makes pals with Gorby at Reykjavik and says, "Let's get rid of the nukes." A few days later, the Sandinistas rocket Hasenfus's CIA plane out of the Nicaraguan sky and Reagan's on his way to what should have been impeachment.

Who'd have benefited both times? The Poppy Bush War Party and Population Reducing wing of the Reich. That's BFEE.

[glitch]

89. That is certainly what I believe. It fits what he was then with what he is

now better than sell-out, IMO.

[Octafish]

91. Woodwards a major turd of the BFEE.

The guy told Larry King, the rest of the panel and millions watching on TV that the CIA had done an analysis of the impact of the Plame outting. He said that there had been some minor problems, but that there were no major losses to national security. What bullshit. What's worse, the rest of the panel just listened and went on their business without challenging him.

Remember, the lawyers for Judy Miller and the other recalcitrant presstitutes tried to prevent the testimony before the Grand Jury. When Fitzgerald showed a judge what the CIA had found, the judge said the report indicated the Plame and Brewster Jennings outtings meant a major loss to national security.

 "No damage?" Try telling it to the pros

Two former CIA officers seem to have a little bit of difficulty swallowing the wingnut line that the revelation of Valerie Plame's connection with the CIA didn't damage the national security:

Here's James Marchinowski:

What is important now is not who wins or loses the political battle or who may or may not be indicted; rather, it is a question of how we will go about protecting the citizens of this country in a very dangerous world. The undisputed fact is that we have irreparably damaged our capability to collect human intelligence and thereby significantly diminished our capability to protect the American people.

Understandable to all Americans is a simple, incontrovertible, but damning truth: the United States government exposed the identity of a clandestine officer working for the CIA. This is not just another partisan "dust-up" between political parties. This unprecedented act will have far-reaching consequences for covert operations around the world. Equally disastrous is that from the time of that first damning act, we have continued on a course of self-inflicted wounds by government officials who have refused to take any responsibility, have played hide-and-seek with the truth and engaged in semantic parlor games for more than two years, all at the expense of the safety of the American people. No government official has that right.

For an understanding of what is at stake it is important to understand some fundamental principles. No country or hostile group, from al Qaeda to any drug rings operating in our cities, likes to be infiltrated or spied upon. The CIA, much like any police department in any city, has undercover officers--spies, that use "cover."

SNIP...

And here's Larry Johnson:

I'm Larry Johnson, an American, a registered Republican, a former intelligence official at the CIA, and a friend of Valerie Plame.

SNIP...

I am stunned that government officials at the highest level have such ignorance about a matter so basic to the national security structure of this nation.

Robert Novak's compromise of Valerie led to scrutiny of CIA officers that worked with her. This not only compromised her "cover" company but potentially every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company or with her.

We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover.

CONTINUED...

http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2005/07/no_damage_try_telling_it_to_the_pros.php

Bush is a Traitor.

So are those in the BFEE.

[H2O Man]

100. True.

Symbolman's DVD "Rove's War" has a number of interesting clips of intelligence people explaining what damage it did.

[Birthmark]

2. Translation:

"Watergate was way more important, therefore, I (Woodward) am more important. Really! I'm friggin' immortal and stuff!"

[RB TexLa]

17. And

"I still have more notebooks from that time period to transcribe into books."

Can't cash in all the chips at once, have to space those books out.

[WiseButAngrySara]

19. Exactly. What an arrongant A...hole. He also stated that the original

report by Wilson was "ambiguous." So what? Even if it was, is that an excuse for outing a CIA agent? The Republicans have been more condemning of BFEE than Woodward was.

[MnFats]

3. that's close to what his editors told him when he was oh, 27 y.o.

and pursuing an apparently aimless third-rate burglary....

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Only one Democrat on the panel

That figures.

[WiseButAngrySara]

10. Yes, this LIBERAL press. Don't you love it. n/t

[savemefromdumbya]

5. 'Plonker'

how much was he paid to say that!

[eShirl]

6. surprised he was able to crawl out of *'s butt long enough

to go on TV

[lovuian]

7. Gossip??? with Secret documents and CIA operatives???

Iraq war lies gossip!!!

They just are looking terrible right now!!!

[Der Blaue Engel]

8. As in Bob Woodward?

What, is he jealous that there's a new Watergate that someone else is investigating while he ignores it?

[WiseButAngrySara]

34. Yes, as in Bob Woodward. And you might be right about jealousy, but

I also think that he realizes that a lot of his "history" on the BFEE is going to be tainted forever! That would explain his stupidity in making these remarks that are not substantiated at all by known facts.

He was the first to push the Tenet comment "It's a slam dunk"...and he kept repeating it like a parrot with a mantra. I think he set Tenet up somehow.

[Garbo 2004]

46. Woodward knows who's been buttering his bread all these years.

Know any other big wheel reporter who's had such access to the GW's White House while working on a book about Bush's WH? Why is that?

He's the insiders' hagiographer. He writes what becomes the official story.

One imagines if Seymour Hersh even got near the front gates they'd arrest him. LOL.

[WiseButAngrySara]

56. Oh, you're probably right about Seymour!. Sad and funny! ....n/t

[Emit]

9. Wow. What happened to him? n/t

[readermostly]

82. It seems, to me anyway, that Woodward has been in the RW camp

for quite some time now. His opinions don't seem unbiased, but partisan.

[bobbieinok]

11. why isn't Bernstein ever on??? of course, he's not a shill for W

and maybe too Jewish and liberal????? for modern day M$M

[oasis]

40. Bernstein was on Rita Cosby's show blasting the Bushistas and then

got into a tangle with G. Gordon Liddy.

[WiseButAngrySara]

41. I love every interview that I've heard Bernstein give. The problem is

that they are usually together, and Woodward always hogs the conversation. And yes, he is too liberal. He speaks the truth! There's a wonderful quote by Bill Moyers with respect to Liberals, truth and the media. I looked for it and can't find it currently. To paraphrase 'The more we speak the truth, the more they label us as 'liberals' because they hate the truth.'

[Gloria]

12. Apparently, Carl Bernstein disagrees....what he said tonight on Cosby

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2186368

[WiseButAngrySara]

44. Oh, thanks so much for that link. I usually avoid Cosby, but would have

watched her instead of this crapola. I am angry at Larry King over this (not the first time)!

[oasis]

74. There may be a repeat. Check your local listing. Liddy really comes off

looking like a dunce.:dunce:

[WiseButAngrySara]

98. Compare Bernstein's remarks: "We might be watching the beginning

of an implosion of this administration." "This was clearly a cover-up for the pretense for war." "Very serious questions are being raised about the competency"...etc., etc. Bernstein calls it for what it is. Criminal Cover-up!

[politicaholic]

13. Watergate was just a harmless prank...

nothing we should have been concerned with.

He's going senile obviously, poor guy.

[napi21]

14. What's really funny is that Berstein is on MSNBC saying the opposite!

Carl said this is a coverup, without question. It's similar to Watergate, in that the coverup is much worse than the underlying crime!

I never listen to that scratchy voiced Rita Cosby, but the TV was on and it was an interesting combat between G. Gordon Liddy and Carl Bernstein.

[Lex]

15. Woodward is sell-out. nt

[tulsakatz]

16. Larry King

I don't even consider Larry King to be a news show anymore. Mostly it seems like just another entertainment gossip show........

Yeah, right! Like we really need another one of those.

[desi]

59. Woodward was disgusting till the end...

...Hiya tulsakatz. I don't watch LKL but saw them all there while surfing and decided to watch....mistake. I hope the jury hands down about 10 indictments. He will be back on tomorrow night so it will be interesting to watch him eat crow...

[WiseButAngrySara]

69. God let's hope so! I love to watch hypocrites and liars eat crow...

(or something worse, like.... for those of you that saw Keith Olbermann tonight!)

[desi]

73. I wouldn't miss KO...

I had stopped watching Hardball but heard he has been hitting Bushco hard. He must rue the day he voted for him and there must be many just like him who feel betrayed.

[Beelzebud]

18. Look up Sellout in the dictionary, and you'll see this shill's face.

[WiseButAngrySara]

22. You've got THAT right. How does one switch the Google to list

Woodward when you google sellout? I'ld love to be able to do that. (Like typing in 'Failure' and the Google response is Bush?)

[Orrin_73]

21. How did this guy ever cover the watergate?

it beats me. Was he always like this or did he make a turn to the dark side?

[Garbo 2004]

60. Woodward had the Watergate story handed to him. Remember Deep Throat?

Without him.....

[Pirate Smile]

23. Woodward is essentially part of this White House. He was inside

during the first term writing his book and he is back on the inside writing a book on the second term.

To me, he is another WH insider.

It is soooo very disappointing how he has turned out.

Bernstein is completely opposite of him on BushCo.

[shoopnyc]

24. He's quite frankly disgusting! eom

[Halliburton]

26. BOB WOODWARD NEEDS HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE REVOKED

IMMEDIATELY!

[SeattleGirl]

27. David Gergen wasn't letting him get away with it.

Did you see that exchange? Woodward trying to blow this off, it's just gossip, not about the war, etc. And Gergen got right in his face about it, and asked him how he could even think it wasn't about the war. Hehe!

[Lex]

32. I like Gergen.

Sometimes he REALLY ticks me off (he sometimes gives the White House too much of the benefit of the doubt), but overall Gergen calls 'em like he sees 'em.

[SeattleGirl]

36. I agree.

On occasion, he leaves his brain at home, but essentially he's a straight shooter.

[barb162]

39. yep

[janx]

86. Gergen is great!

He has been around, and he expresses himself very eloquently. He has always been good. I remember my mother's watching him on McNeil Lehrer for many years. When my children were toddlers (now 23 and 24),they used to imitate the way he talked.

[journalist3072]

28. Oh please tell me he didn't really say that!

Why is it that we need to educate people in this country on the seriousness of outing a covert CIA operative with unofficial cover? Do people not even realize how that damages our national security?

[WiseButAngrySara]

66. He is educated and must know what's going on. He is participating in

the cover-up as well, of all ironies! He has to protect his flattering non-history book on the BFEE, though. Lies, to cover-up lies, to cover-up lies...sounds like Watergate, no?

[journalist3072]

67. Sounds very much like Watergate. But I think it's worst...

We are talking about treason of the highest order here.

We are talking about damage to our national security. Damage done by an Administration that claimed just last year they were the only ones who could keep us safe.

[WiseButAngrySara]

72. I agree its worse than Watergate. The only ones who could keep us

safe, protect our freedom(s), unite us and, of course, the real clincher, 'the moral ones'...GAG.

[fob]

29. Woodward is an ignorant prick with NO underlying redeeming value

fob

[glitch]

85. and he looks like a zombie.

not that there's anything wrong with that, just saying.

[highplainsdem]

30. Link to the Yale Daily News article on the lecture Woodward gave Tuesday:

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=30516

The article says he told the students that the media's "job to get our finger in the eye of the government" and that journalists exist "to get to the bottom of things."

But he also bragged about how Bush gave him the longest interview ever given by a sitting president on a single topic ("bragged" is my interpretation, not the article's).


From his experience during that interview, in addition to his other contact with the president, Woodward said he thinks Bush has two defining characteristics.

"At the spine of George W. Bush … is the duty and zeal to free people," Woodward said.

<snip>

"I was most impressed by his personal anecdotes from his interview with Bush and the respect that he showed for Bush's directness and simplicity," Sam Slavin '08 said. "He left open the possibility that his dedication to humanitarian good in Iraq is genuine, an opinion that I haven't heard very often from the liberal media."

<snip>

But other students said they wished Woodward had gone into greater depth about his opinions on the current administration.


The rest of the article explains that Woodward avoided a lot of questions, the more political ones.

Sounds like those in the audience who weren't conservatives were understandably skeptical of Woodward's attitude toward the Bush administration, despite the platitudes about journalism.

[WiseButAngrySara]

75. Thanks so much for the link, but I almost lost dinner reading just snips

of it. What an obvious WH shrill, What a Judy Miller, What a liar!

duty and zeal to free people

his dedication to humanitarian good in Iraq is genuine

[Junkdrawer]

31. The same Woodward that framed the WMD lies as Tenet's fault...

What a surprise! :eyes:

[WiseButAngrySara]

78. I thought this was the case! Woodward's mantra for months

"It's a slam dunk.."

I can still hear him saying this with his peculiar drawl, and I knew he was lying when he said it. A gut reaction. I haven't trusted him since.

[progressoid]

35. Well, that supports my feelings from his appearance on the Daily Show.

bye bye Bob.

[oasis]

38. Lindsay Graham refuses to be involved in that conversation. He sits

there and looks straight ahead.

[jim3775]

42. He's still bullshitting:

"maybe you did something that was not illegal but embarrassing and you forgot about it, that would lead to the perjury charges...."

At least there is still Bernstein to look up too.

[Tinksrival]

54. WHAT!!!????

How does that bastard know that there was no collateral damage from the outing!! He basically said it was no big deal. HOW DOES HE KNOW?

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Have either one of the panelist mentioned that it was the CIA that

instigated this investigation and not the Democrats?

[journalist3072]

45. Well, you see, that would entail getting into the minutia and the facts

And gee, why would they want to do that?! (insert sarcasm here)

[WiseButAngrySara]

47. These jerks are now changing their previous assessments of indictment

probabilities. I think something is amiss. A deal of some sort was struck I'm afraid.

[Lex]

48. Woodward states unequivocally that no damage was done to the CIA

by Plame's outing.

:wtf:

Woodward has access to CIA internal docs like that?

Or is he just LYING for the WHITE HOUSE?

[speedoo]

55. He's parroting the rethug lie.

His "source".... who is it, Bob?

Woodward is a total rethug hack.

[Catherine Vincent]

57. Lying for the White House, of course.

I'd rather hear what former cia agent Larry Johnson or Joe Wilson has to say about that.

[qanda]

62. Didn't Larry Johnson say just the opposite yesterday

On Wolf Blitzer?

[Octafish]

93. Wayne Madsen reported CIA's damage assesment was "devastating."

Valerie Plame, Brewster Jennings & Associates and their entire network were compromised. Everybody the came in contact with overseas -- but everybody -- got rolled up. All their work to stop the spread of nukes got tossed.

Gee. Who benefits the most from that? The Bush coalition of fascists, maybe?

Woodward infuriated me. His words indicate where his wallet and patriotism lie.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

49. Woodward says no damage was done by Plame outing...

no harm, no foul.

This makes me sick to my stomach.

[Lex]

51. How would he possibly have access to internal CIA docs

outlining such a thing?

[highplainsdem]

58. The opposite was said by two intelligence experts Wolf Blitzer had

on The Situation Room today. They both stressed the great damage to the future credibility of US intelligence, how the Plame outing would make people whose cooperation and trust our intelligence agencies need believe they can't trust us.

Wolf tried to counter their arguments, of course.

[mmonk]

I would love to put Woodard

in a room with Larry Johnson and close the door.

[WiseButAngrySara]

50. TREASON Mr. Woodward. Can you say it? ......n/t

[highplainsdem]

52. Woodward's become an embarrassment to journalism.

Not that he doesn't have a lot of company with all the other media whores. But still, how sickening...

[Catherine Vincent]

61. One telling note on Woodward...

When Larry went around the table asking how many indictments he said he doesn't know. If he was so certain, no one had any intent to do anything wrong then he would have said zero indictments but the twerp didn't.

[DaytonOHDem]

63. I am sorry but this is the second time tonight that I have to say,

Oh my God. Woodward and Bernstein have been my journalistic heroes. The last five years I have been thinking, if only we had journalists like Woodward and Bernstein. I guess I will have to limit that to Bernstein now. All the Presidents Men is one of my favorite movies. It just won't be the same anymore now that I know Woodward has gone over to the dark side.

[SeattleGirl]

65. They can still be your heroes, if you confine it to the Watergate era.

Bernstein is still okay, but yeah, Woodward has gone over to the dark side, or just over the edge! But I think the two of them are still to be very much admired for the work they did on Watergate, and however they are in the present, it doesn't take away from their prior work.

[WiseButAngrySara]

79. I know exactly how you feel, and it is sad. Especially since he is

participating in lies and cover-ups for this White House, when his very claim to fame is the opposite! One wonders about Bush #1 's involvement in Nixon's outing for personal political gain, and Woodward's possible role. Some think GHWB was involved in Reagan's assassination attempt because of all the very peculiar Hinckley ties. The vileness of these people goes back decades. Maybe Woodward was really one of them long ago.

[CoffeeCat]

83. I feel your pain...

...and it's heartbreaking isn't it?

"All The President's Men" is one of my favorite movies because it demonstrates how a person of integrity and perseverance can overcome big, powerful criminals in the government.

The idea of "Woodward and Bernstein" just warms the heart, because it gives us hope that the good guys do win, and that the bad guys will be exposed.

Now that "Woodward" is a BushCo apologist and self-serving sycophant--it's a loss of that dream--and of the hope--that good can overcome evil in politics.

The sad thing is--there are no "Woodwards" or "Bernsteins" in the MSM. They're all too afraid or too busy ass-kissing their way to the top of the media food chain--which is owned by corporate America. No real journalists, and now one of the giants of journalists appears to be just a memory gone bad.

Really disheartening.

[MidnightWind]

64. He's the Washington Post's version of Judy Miller

an embarassment to journalism and to the Post. Another Bush apologist extraordinare just like Miller.

[Halliburton]

70. and he has security clearance just like Judy

[AX10]

68. Woodward is one of them.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

76. a brief excerpt from "Silent Coup"

"Silent Coup: The Removal of a President"

Len Colodny and Robert Getlin

about his days at Yale - "His conservative stance may have set him apart;

after hearing Woodward speak in class one day, a political science

professor called him a 'crypto-fascist.' "

[WiseButAngrySara]

81. Whoa, that's an accurate description of him today ...apparently it doesn't

wear off. It's oddly reminiscent of another political science professor's remark about young Georgie! What is this book about? Which President? Nixon?

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

84. yes nixon and watergate

find a copy of "Secret Agenda: Watergate, Deep Throat and the CIA"

by Jim Hougan

and then read "Silent Coup"

[WiseButAngrySara]

92. GHWB and the CIA, and his potential role in Reagan's attempted

assassination (ties to Hinckley family, Catcher in the Rye Bush#1's favorite book BTW...) Does the book cover any of this? I wonder if Woodward has been a BFEE pawn for much longer than we might expect. Boy am I becoming a tinfoiler!

Edited to add my comment from post #79 above:

One wonders about Bush #1 's involvement in Nixon's outing for personal political gain, and Woodward's possible role. Some think GHWB was involved in Reagan's assassination attempt because of all the very peculiar Hinckley ties. The vileness of these people goes back decades. Maybe Woodward was really one of them long ago.

[mountainvue]

77. I thought my head would explode

when he said that.

[WiseButAngrySara]

80. Same here! So I 'exploded ' on DU instead! ....n/t

[incapsulated]

88. Wow. I think I'll go puke now.

I know he's a republican, but man, I thought he had some integrity left.

:puke:

[spanone]

90. He's lost his balls in the last thirty years.

[Matariki]

95. woodward, woodward? wasn't he the guy

paid by the bfee to set up Nixon?

[FreedomAngel82]

97. Tell that to Larry Johnson