Allow me to dissent: Fitzmas is a tragic and sad day for America.

[OrlandoGator]

Hear me out.

Yeah, it's great when justice is served...even to a small extent.

But the great loss here is that it had to get this far. And take a look around you...the Bush administration has spent five years trying as hard as possible to violate every single principle this country was founded upon. They started a fucking war, for God's sake. And still...even to this day...most everyday Americans just don't notice. It's just so blatantly OBVIOUS what they have been doing, yet still Bush's approval numbers hover in the 30's (it is a disgrace that it is even that high).

So I will say that it's terrible that we're to a point where we are celebrating the pending indictment of senior White House officials as some kind of victory for "our side." It makes me sick to think that this is what passes as progress in the Age of Bush.

Maybe I'm off-base. I just can't bring myself to celebrate Fitzmas. I just shrug and sigh.

[NorCalDem]

1. I agree with ya buddy!

doesn't stop me from at least feeling a little happy. At the very least, it's the first step in the right direction!

Peace!

[pearl]

3. I feel no glee either

nt

[WritingIsMyReligion]

2. I agree that our country is WAY fucked to have let it get this far.

But that only makes me appreciate this day of reckoning even more. Better now than tomorrow. Better tomorrow than next week. If (WHEN) it comes, I will be grateful that it has come at all.

The Age of Bush won't end until this day comes. So I welcome the day with open arms, then get to work roasting those neocons over that open fire, while Jack Frist nips at their toes...

:D :D

WIMR

[MadisonProgressive]

12. Karls Nuts roasting on an open fire

[WritingIsMyReligion]

16. ROFLMAO nt

[Catherine Vincent]

35. LOL!

Thanks for the laugh!:D

[Maru Kitteh]

53. Oooh! Let me! Roves nuts roasting on an open fire....

Roves nuts roasting on an open fire......
Scooter Libby, under oath.......
George W. Bush, being hung by his choir....
While Frist and Tom are pummeled, to and fro...

They know that hell...... is on the way.........
It's been humiliation and embarrassment.... every day
And every White house staffer.... is going to cry......
When they Bush..... really is..... just another dumb guy...

Ohhhhhhhh.............

(repeat until warm tingly feeling envelops your soul)

[still_one]

4. We should NOT celebrate until we get this miserable

administration out of office

This is just one battle, there are many more to come, and if the weak democrats in congress do not take the lead, then it is up to the people

[fortyfeetunder]

47. I agree.

I am not getting my hopes up until I see heads roll.

[jim3775]

5. No it's not, the day Plame was outed was the sad day

That was the day the crime was committed, the day justice comes should be a happy occasion.

[postulater]

6. Agreed, maybe I'll have the Scotch instead of the champagne

[buddysmellgood]

26. A thoughtful adjustment. I concur.

[beam me up scottie]

7. I hear you.

And I concur.

[eallen]

8. It's like cutting out a cancer...

The surgery is painful, the cancer is tragic, but getting rid of it is necessary.

:hippie:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

17. Good comparison. nt

[Lancer]

9. Absolutely. It will give me no joy to see justice served.

Only gratitude for the decent people on the grand jury, the judge and Mr. Fitzgerald for their determination to stand up and do the right thing.

But no, it will not be a happy day for me -- although I admit to having joked about it. I think that was just a tension reliever.

[rodeodance]

14. Bittersweet day for us all. (if it comes to pass).

[rodeodance]

10. yes, it is a sad day. charlie Rangel on Hannity just said the same thing.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. I ain't celebrating...

But I welcome this and am enjoying the schadenfreude greatly.

[nannah]

13. consider that we are at the point when the cancer has been identified and

the surgeon's knife is poised to begin the excision. It is a time of hope for relief from the misery of the cancer that has been growing; hope for a cure and committment to increased vigilance against a recurrance.

[rodeodance]

18. good description. and yes we can hope.

...... hope for a cure and committment to increased vigilance against a recurrance.

[Miss Chybil]

15. The day Bush was selected was a sad day for America.

The day the WTC was collapsed was a sad day for America.
The day we invaded Iraq was a sad day for America.
The day Bush was "re-elected" was a sad day for America.
The day the oil companies figured out they could rape us with impunity was a sad day for America.
The day this country's highest officials stooped so low as to un-cover and undercover CIA agent, whose job it was to protect us from WMD, was a sad day for America.
Fitzmas is the beginning of the end of this cabal. I will be celebrating my ass off.

[OrlandoGator]

19. Indeed those were all sad days. Fitzmas just continues the trend.

n/t

[Miss Chybil]

34. No, it doesn't. Like I said, it's the beginning of the end. nt

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

20. Well duh! ;^)

It's totally beyond belief that our news is not from fantasy, but we have to go to war with the insanity we have, not the insanity we would like... :)

If it makes you feel any better maybe things were SO bad, Kerry had to take a dive just to lure these criminals all out ... A Kerry win would only mean the thugs would have regrouped. The only way to air out all this disease might have been to let it fester!

Cheer up, maybe if Fitzmas doesn't suit your fancy, maybe an alternate would work? How about 'Fitzashana' ??

It's been a long road to this point, and things seem to be on the mend!

[ClayZ]

49. You have to get HYDRA by the feet.

You cut of the head and it grows 2 more! Silver Swords of Truth thru the heart works too!

[apnu]

21. well said -- I couldn't agree more

Just tonight I was asking Mrs. Apnu "In all of this, why is the conversation dominated by the extremes? Where are the middle of the road moderate Republicans and Democrats in the last 7 years? Why has this disaster of a President allowed to go so far by his own party?"

Add to that thought, this idea. Where are the Democrats in all of this? I know where DU is, sitting on the sidelines (as all boards do) eating popcorn. Oh wait... is that a donkey I see sitting next to them?

:sarcasm:

(I nominated this too)

[babylonsister]

22. As far as I'm concerned, if this is what it takes for

this bunch of dangerous, delusional and inept group of people to lose power and bring attention to what's been going on and how they've damaged our country, so be it.
Whatever it takes, I will celebrate their demise, carry on, move on, and try to make it better.

[leveymg]

23. I have a friend who said exactly the same thing this morning.

He was a ranking staff economist at one of the Federal Reserve banks until he pursued a 9/11 terrorist finance lead too far.

They fired him for doing his job. He's a member of the National Security Whistleblowers group now, but is in terrible financial straights. I sent him a Fitzmas card, thinking it would cheer him up. He said he didn't feel like celebrating.

You're right. My friend's right. This is a sad day that it's come to this.

I'm still going to get drunk on champagne this weekend, though. Then, we'll deal with things next Monday.

[KenCarson]

24. that's not dissent, i think most people agree with you

i'd rather have an effective gov't from a party i don't support than this embarassment

[lonestarnot]

25. OMG Sorry about your wet blanket ... but I am delighted to see them

squirm. It's party time on the eve of their implosion. Now that it's here, I wish we could stretch it out another couple of weeks. :9 :rofl:

[babylonsister]

44. Bite your tongue! :o) nt

[lonestarnot]

46. Have you seen the little fat cartman dude commercial for southpark

when he wags his fat bare ass and sings nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah hegh hegh hegh hegh hegh hegh? I want to go do that at treasongate...

[William769]

27. I agree also.

[Liberal Veteran]

28. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I might feel a twinge of sympathy if these people in the White House weren't a den of vipers even before they got there.

Bush surrounded himself with people of such shady character and have tried to pass their evil off as decency and patriotism for so long while lining their own pockets, securing their own power, and destroying those of different opinion, I wouldn't care if the whole lot of them were sent to Gitmo for a taste of what they have wrought on this country.

[NNN0LHI]

29. The truth will set us free n/t

[Erika]

30. My celebration will come from this filth finally being exposed

Now maybe can it be cleansed from our government.

[H2O Man]

31. Maybe it's both.....

certainly, there is a great deal that is sad, even tragic, about the entire situation. Clearly, it involves the country getting involved in a terrible war. If the lies that served as the foundation for the march to war crumbles, it is a good reason for people to be pleased.

[Sperk]

32. no offense y'all, but I will be CELEBRATING, just like the munchkins did

Ding Dong....................................................................................................................................

[Catherine Vincent]

33. And we still don't know if there will be any indictments.

I will be very disappointed if there aren't.:(

[mindwalker_i]

36. What's truely tragic

...is that so many people have been screwed over by this administration, so many of the things that have made this country great have been trashed, and it takes this to put a dent in the minds of the American people. This is what makes them take notice. This is what shows the Americans hiding under their couches in fear of terrorists that Bush isn't making us safer.

Here's what I'll celebrate: possibly the one thing that'll get people to stop watching Friends and realize this nation is messed up, and we have to fix it.

Am I happy that another government official is in trouble? No. But maybe this will be a significant force in getting things back on the right track, or at least derailing us from the wrong one.

-mwalker

[Erika]

37. Excellent post

and welcome.

[Giant Robot]

38. I can see your point OrlandoGator

And I think you are right that it is sad that we have all let things get this far before any action was taken, however minimal it may be. I am sorry for your melancholy at this (possible) event. I can only hope that one day you, as well as all of us, will be able to look back at Fitzmas or whatever, as the day we began to take our country back. And it may not happen in the next week, but the process may start. That is what I hope for. As you can see I have so little left to hope for, I make up stuff as I go. That is another product of W's America. I want my America back. Hopefully it starts with Fitzmas. I will grim and feel some evil glee at this. And hope. For you, I will send good thoughts that we will be brothers of a sort in a future started by Fitzmas. Cheers.

[Ilsa]

39. Excellent post. It is a terribly sad day.

And I have many Republican friends and acquaintances that I think deserved better than this, even for their stupidity in supporting that FraWd in the WH.

Remember, Bush is the master of low expectations, so that's what the US ended up with.

Still, we have had so little to be happy about over the last five years that I will take this opportunity to feel like we still have half a chance for justice.

[mondo joe]

40. I disagree. It's always good to see bad people held accountable.

Sometimes justice moves slowly. But we can still celebrate when it happpens.

It's unjust that gays can't legally marry - but when the day comes I am going to celebrate my ass off. I will not feel "sick" that it took so long or was so hard won.

[Missy Vixen]

41. OrlandoGator, I appreciate your point of view

As one who's been celebrating Fitzmas for over a week now, I agree that it is sick and sad that it ever got this far. I understand that many will celebrate, even though the families and friends of those involved will weep bitter tears at tomorrow's news. At the same time, to see the * toadies unmasked before the general public needs to happen repeatedly. The Magistrate has a great quote about stuff like this. I won't print it here because I don't want anyone to misconstrue it as any kind of a threat. What I am looking forward to, though, and I think we can all agree on this one -- I want my country back, for all of us.

There's an old saying to the effect that it's always darkest before the dawn. I choose to believe, no matter how farfetched, that it is morning in America. Our country can come back. We must battle to save her for all our sakes.

Julie

[mrdmk]

42. For the Bush Jr. Administration, the end justifies the means

I was not happy about Mr. Bush Jr. in the year of 2000, it was total bullshit set-up by corporations and fundamentalist supported by more corporations. This group of movers and shakers were told they would be a lot better off with the a Bush Jr. Administration and they did everything in their power to make it so. The Supreme Court of the United States also made their claim of fame in this fiasco. These people did not care if they had to lie, cheat and/or steal which they did. And what did the people of the United States get, the most Destructive Administration in this Nations History, bar none. Believe me when I say this Administration is more destructive than the Civil War era. When Mr. Bush Jr. was pronounced President of the United States the consensus with some of my friends was, 'this FUCKER will have us in a war in six months'. I will not go into all of the stupid things this Administration did before 9/11 and everything after, but the results were and still are unsatisfactory!

The Democratic Leadership during the Bush Jr. tenure was at best lacking. The Democratic Leadership is improving, but has a long way to go. We just need to be careful in the future who we pick for our leaders.

If the Bush Jr. Administration is shot down by our Justice System, it seems the Fascist Government came to the last backstop and that is scary. We have an unaccountable elections system, a House and Senate that was nothing more than a rubber stamp for Fascism and power structure that is unaccountable to the general public. The real scary part is it is not over yet!

edit: frothing on the keyboard.

[Castilleja]

43. You are absolutely correct about that

and i was witness to a couple of those Americans who haven't noticed any of this...in a local restaurant today, I heard two men discussing this and their belief that it is a frame up. I am still leaning toward some sort of mass hypnosis of the mentally gullible as the reason for his continuing support.

[enki23]

45. the day they outed her was tragic

this is just a little taste, just a hint, of potential justice for the fucking vermin who were behind it.

excuse me, who were behind much more than just this little thing. they were behind taking this fucked up nation to war based on a pack of fucking lies, rumors, and sexed-up innuendo.

[mmonk]

48. I will celebrate soberly

The fact we no longer have a free press is why we are here in some measure. Until we have a free press, we won't be free and more freedom will be taken away from us. In summation, we are where we are because a lot of people do not currently live in reality, but live in a pseudo one shaped by propaganda and a biased and sometimes involved press.

[springhill]

50. I have no problem celebrating this............

and I hope it takes down a lot of people and uncovers their misdeeds. Ant the reason I will celebrate this is because our country literally cannot afford to have these people in office a minute longer than necessary. It is for our survival. So I will celebrate and celebrate hard.

[janx]

51. It's not a matter of "our side." It's a matter of JUSTICE. n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

52. So you're the glass half empty kind?

I do agree it's sad on many levels but that is not where I choose to dwell. I mourn, I grieve and I respect, but I do not dwell.

I rejoice in a populace rudely awakened from it's negligent slumber. It gives me hope for the future. I'd like to WIN A FEW ELECTIONS, and this is a gloriously effective step in that direction.

I'll be keeping my half full glass.

[biggles1]

54. Allow me to respectfully disagree 'Gator

...as an 'outsider' (Aussie), I have always found one of the most admirable characteristics of your great nation is that when it's time to 'take out the garbage', you have always been prepared to do so, even if it is a painful process. You should not feel sad, I submit. You should be proud to live in a country which can face up to its ills and deal with them so publicly. More strength to your arm!

[MadisonProgressive]

55. Great points!

[OrlandoGator]

56. Humbug.

Fuck it, I'm happy.

Merry Fitzmas to all.