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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:21 PM
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Rather than fret over indictments, remember the Waas
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 11:22 PM by BurtWorm
story in National Journal: Cheney and Libby held documents back from the Senate Intelligence Panel, which ruled that the CIA (Cheney's mortal enemy) was entirely responsible for screwing up the pre-war intel on WMD. Waas reported that if the panel had seen that info, the blame would have fallen where it should have: on Cheney's office and the WH.

Don't fret about indictments. Remember to be enraged. And out for blood (metaphorically speaking).

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1027nj1.htm
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:32 PM
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1. The CIA will not rest until Cheney is brought down by his own arrogance.
"Had the withheld information been turned over, according to administration and congressional sources, it likely would have shifted a portion of the blame away from the intelligence agencies to the Bush administration as to who was responsible for the erroneous information being presented to the American public, Congress, and the international community."
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:35 PM
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2. That article is full of gold.
Libby comes across as a lunatic.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:47 PM
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4. I agree. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, BurtWorm.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:51 PM
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5. No prob.
Anything for a person with a Dean avatar! ;)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:48 AM
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9. kick
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:38 PM
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3. I'm not fretting
I agree w/ you.

This is going to be the beginning of a very, very bad time for W and his little friends.

The Bi-Polar wailing choir here can freak out all they want; it has zero impact on me..
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:52 PM
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6. You nailed it.
:toast:


( "Bi-Polar wailing choir" :spray: )
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:53 PM
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7. Here's an interesting report from Senate Intel Dems
Senate Intelligence Committee Confirms Faulty Foundation of Bush Administration's Push for War in Iraq

Under pressure from congressional Democrats last year, the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed to conduct an investigation of our government's actions and statements on Iraq in the period before the start of the conflict there. However, rather than conduct a single comprehensive investigation of these issues, Intelligence Committee Chairman Roberts decided to split this inquiry into two phases. The Committee released the results of the first phase of its investigation on July 17, 2004. Entitled "U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq," the Committee's report concludes that the Bush Administration's case for war with Iraq was dramatically overstated and largely inaccurate.

In their additional views to the report, Vice Chairman Rockefeller and Senators Levin and Durbin argue that phase one paints an incomplete picture of what occurred prior to the war and make a compelling case for the committee to quickly complete phase two - an analysis of the Administration's use of this intelligence. According to these Senators, forceful public statements by senior Administration officials about the threat posed by Iraq created an intense climate of pressure on the intelligence community as it conducted its own analyses of these issues. This document presents key conclusions from the report and from the additional views submitted by Senators Rockefeller, Levin, and Durbin.

Major Conclusions Of Committee Report

"Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community's October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either were overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting."


"After reviewing all of the intelligence provided by the Intelligence Community and additional information requested by the Committee, the Committee believes that the judgment in the National Intelligence Estimate that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program was not supported by the intelligence."


"The statement in the key judgments of the NIE that `Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons' overstated both what was known and what intelligence analysts judged about Iraq's chemical and biological weapons holdings."


"The language in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate that `Iraq also began vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake' overstated what the Intelligence Community knew about Iraq's possible procurement attempts."


"Much of the information provided or cleared by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for inclusion in Secretary Powell's speech was overstated, misleading, or incorrect."


"The Central Intelligence Agency's assessment that to date there was no evidence proving Iraqi complicity or assistance in an al-Qaeda attack was reasonable and objective. No additional information has emerged to suggest otherwise."


Additional Views of Senators Rockefeller, Levin, and Durbin

"Regrettably, report paints an incomplete picture of what occurred during this period of time. The Committee set out to examine ten areas of investigation relating to pre-war intelligence on Iraq and we completed only five in this report."


"The central issue of how intelligence on Iraq was used or misused by Administration officials in public statements and reports were relegated to the second phase of the Committee's investigation along with other issues related to the intelligence activities of Pentagon policy officials, pre-war intelligence assessments about post-war Iraq, and the role played by the Iraqi National Congress, led by Ahmad Chalabi, which claims to have passed `raw intelligence' and defector information directly to the Pentagon and the Office of Vice President."


"As a result, the Committee's phase one report fails to fully explain the environment of intense pressure in which Intelligence Community officials were asked to render judgments on matters relating to Iraq when policy officials had already forcefully stated their own conclusions in public."


"The Estimate and related analytical papers assessing Iraqi links to terrorism were produced by the Intelligence Community in a highly-pressurized climate wherein senior Administration officials were making the case for military action against Iraq through public and often definitive pronouncements."


"In the months before the production of the Intelligence Community's October 2002 Estimate, Administration officials undertook a relentless public campaign which repeatedly characterized the Iraq weapons of mass destruction program in more ominous and threatening terms than the Intelligence Community analysis substantiated. Similarly, public statements of senior officials on Iraqi links to terrorism generally, and al-Qaeda specifically, were often based on a selective release of intelligence information that implied a cooperative, operational relationship that the Intelligence Community did not believe existed."


"High-profile statements in support of the Administration's policy of regime change were made in advance of any meaningful intelligence analysis and created pressure on the Intelligence Community to conform to the certainty contained in the pronouncements."


"Another form of pressure on the Intelligence Community during 2002 came from policymakers repetitively tasking analysts to review, reconsider, and revise their analytical judgments."


The CIA conducted its own independent review on U.S. intelligence on Iraq. Richard Kerr, former Deputy Director of Central Intelligence and leader of the review, stated publicly, "`There was a lot of pressure, no question... The White House, State, Defense were raising questions, heavily on WMD and the issue of terrorism... There was a lot of repetitive tasking. The repetitive requests...came from the CIA's `senior customers,' including the White House, the Vice President, State, Defense, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.'"


"The Ombudsman told the Committee that he felt the "hammering" by the Bush Administration on Iraq intelligence was harder than he had previously witnessed in his 32-year career with the agency. Several analysts he spoke with mentioned pressure and gave the sense that they felt the constant questions and pressure to reexamine issues were unreasonable."


"When the analytical judgments of the Intelligence Community did not conform to the more conclusive and dire Administration view on Iraqi links to al-Qaeda and specifically the notion that Iraq may have been involved in the September 11th terrorist plot, policymakers within the Pentagon denigrated the Intelligence Community's analysis and sought to trump it by circumventing the CIA and briefing their own analysis directly to the White House."


"The qualifications the Intelligence Community placed on what it assessed about Iraq's links to terrorism and alleged weapons of mass destruction programs were spurned by top Bush Administration officials."


"By the time American troops had been deployed overseas and were poised to attack Iraq, the Administration had skillfully manipulated and cowed the Intelligence Community into approving public statements that conveyed a level of conviction and certainty that was not supported by an objective reading of the underlying intelligence reporting."




Prepared by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee
Byron L. Dorgan, Chairman
419 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-doc.cfm?doc_name=fs-108-2-210
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:10 AM
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8. Very interesting report.
"The language in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate that `Iraq also began vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake' overstated what the Intelligence Community knew about Iraq's possible procurement attempts."

The NIE is what Miller said she and Libby discussed during their meeting in late June 2003, ostensibly because Libby wanted to show her why anyone in their right mind would have believed the bullshit.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:34 PM
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10. Kick.
For a change of pace.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 06:50 PM
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11. Kick.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:14 PM
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12. Kick
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:23 PM
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13. post Libby indictment, this is an even more worthwhile reminder KICK
full read of article is a must
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 04:40 AM
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14. Kick.
It makes for some nice readin'.

Surprisingly low on speculation. Quite unusual for a news article these days.
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