Bob Franken is reading indictment that says Scooter got info from CHENEY!

[in_cog_ni_to]

I hope that bastard goes DOWN and takes the idiot with him. Why wasn't Cheney indicted? :grr:

[CottonBear]

1. OMG! That is sweet! n/t

[jaxx]

2. They said 5 counts

Perjury
Obstruction of justice
Making false statements

What are the others?

[Seen the light]

8. 2 counts perjury, 2 counts making false statements

And then the oof count.

[jaxx]

16. thx.............damn the bastard is going down

and I hope more follow

[berni_mccoy]

19. Wow, he could end up serving 25 years

Each count carries 5 years with it.

[Mike03]

9. I think he said

Lying to Federal Officials too

[DeepModem Mom]

3. And also confirms that Cheney got it from CIA.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Of course

Remember he went to the CIA a lot to "fix" intelligence.

[progressivebydesign]

4. Ya, why Libby and NOT Cheney!???? or Novak Or Rove.

Are they coming soon???

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. It's like when they go after drug dealers

First they knock down the small time guys, get them to rat out the bigger players. This indictment serves notice that they're not fucking around. Time to cop a plea!

[librechik]

24. when Cheney told Libby they BOTH had security clearance

so Cheney committed no crime.

Presumably.

But it's not over for Cheney.

[lancdem]

5. Oh, he might eventually be

Remember, the investigation is going to continue. I'm pretty certain Fitz has Cheney in his sights.

[Botany]

6. Be Still my Beating Heart!

It goes to Cheney. Fitz has cheney by the balls.

Rove rolled or copped a plea ......

MERRY FITZMAS!

[lancdem]

29. Yep

An indictment of Libby is huge, because he's the link to Cheney.

[Lexingtonian]

7. oooooh- Big Time fun!

This means Cheney is going to have to testify under oath about when, how, and why.

[WiseButAngrySara]

25. We already know what he does under oath or otherwise. LIES.

Cheney is a LIAR. He could define the word.

[hiaasenrocks]

10. ABC going over same info now!

WOW. All kinds of stuff from the report about Libby talking to different people in the White House. The timeline is amazing.

[deadparrot]

11. Expanded investigation?

It almost certainly has to be.

[leftchick]

12. and cheney supposedly got it from CIA

though tenet denies that.

[bluedawg12]

13. So what was Cheney's motive for telling Libby?

did he intend for him to have it leaked?

if so, isn't he part of this?

[TahitiNut]

27. The more significant question is ...

What the hell even begins to be legitimate about using the White House and all its taxpayer-paid staff to mount such an attack on Joe Wilson??

I can conceive of absolutely no legitimate purpose of any kind that's served by all the obvious attention given to Wilson/Plame. The White House claims they had no role in dispatching Wilson or reeiving his report. Then what the hell makes a single meeting regarding him a legitmate use of taxpayer funds?

This is the most obvious case of waste, fraud, and abuse I can imagine. We've become so totally insensitive to corruption that we're letting this pass as though it's business as usual and doesn't merit attention. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The White House is a government function and 100% of the attention on Wilson/Plame has been partisan and political. No public purpose of any kind is served by the extensive time and resources invested in "dealing" with Wilson - a private citizen!

[Maddy McCall]

14. At this point, unless Fitz can prove that Cheney was malicious in...

disclosing Plame's identity to Libby, and unless he can prove that Cheney instructed Libby to release it to the media, then he can't be indicted for discussing Plame with a member of his staff who had National Security clearance.

At least that's my take on it.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Fitz is not planning on proving that Cheney was malicious in the above scenarios.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

18. Plea bargain for Libby, anyone?

You think he'll go to jail for Cheney? Almost everyone snitches in the end...

[halobeam]

23. Plus didn't an article come out yesterday

that Cheney and Libby blocked documents from going to Senate Intellegence Committee?

This is really going to blow.... slowly and painfully for these evil doers.

[Supersedeas]

28. Jay Rockafeller is pushing hard on this

[WinkyDink]

38. Cheney wanted to stop Plame and B-J,

and hide his role in the Niger forgery.

THAT is what will sink---and impeach and convict---Cheney.

[never cry wolf]

41. Exactly, and Libby has 5 counts

to donsider in cutting a deal to turn state's evidence. Libby would be the primary witness to cheney's maliciousness, other evidence may be hearsay and he needed to nail libby to get the goods on cheney.

[Gregorian]

15. Libby lied for a reason.

I think Fitzgerald knows some of his information is not real. He is probably going over things again, to ensure he has the facts.

The longer it drags on, the better.

[Ediacara]

20. I think he may be in the future

They were talking about him being the key witness in Libby's trial, and how it's unprecidented for a sitting Vice President (and needless to say, VERY BAD for Bush).

[sandnsea]

21. I just heard Undersecretary at State

Which, IIRC, is Bolton. That's where it came from first.

[Pithy Cherub]

22. Wait - Fitzgerald is using a classic here. Libby is the small fish

that will turn on Cheney to shave off jail time. Second Vheney will be forced to testify under oath and he has NO idea what Fitzgerald knows. Fitzgerald won't realease every thing today because we will have a FITZMAS YEAR not just a day. The intent is to bring presuure to bear from all directions. Cheney can't be feeling too good today and he lost his most loyal faux soldier.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. "under oath"....that'll be a first.

I hope the bastard lies and Fitz has the goods on him. I'm sure Libby and Cheney have talked and set their stories though.

[jazzjunkysue]

46. Exactly. This is bargaining time. Hold your cards, Fitz!

Make them show you theirs.

Note to self: Don't play poker with Fitzgerald.

[hang a left]

26. 30 years he faces

MSNBC

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. GOOD! He has a wife and kids. He'll sing! n/t

[donsu]

40. and he has Judith

nt

[VolcanoJen]

30. Couldn't Libby plead guilty, go to jail, and the whole thing is over with?

Any legal-types out there know for certain?

And, of course, at the end of his presidency, Bush will pardon and expunge his record.

I imagine if it's possible, Libby will just plead guilty, do his time, and take the fall for everyone?

[Rose Siding]

32. Libby tried to sell Russert as his source, when it was Cheney

That's one of the false statement charges AND one of the perjury counts.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. That doesn't make any sense to me

How could the press get hold of Top Secret information? They had to get it from someone who had that clearance.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

33. I like Bob Franken and David Ensor. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

39. Me too, me too!!

I'm tempted to turn to MSNBC for some more-hysterical coverage by Tweety-and-Friends, but Ensor and Franken are calm, reasoned, intelligent, and serious.

I'm staying on CNN.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

45. Yes, and Ensor did the CNN presents documentary on how we

got into the Iraq war that was so good, I believe.

But yes, they're both calm, knowledgeable, fair, smart.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Maybe they're contiuining on to get more people?

:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. I hope so. n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

42. This thing is going to be their "Mushroom Cloud".

Just what Mr. Fitzgerald released today will open the door to a hugh can of worms. With the investigation going on tells me the guy has the goods on everybody around the VP and Bush. The plane trip where they passed the information around on is going to drag them all in. This doesn't mean that Scooter is not going to be charged with more series crimes as the case develops. This thing is da-bomb!

I can't wait to hear what Fitz has to say later on today.

[Rose Siding]

43. Is Rove "Official A"? Franken says that's who talked to Novak

[jazzjunkysue]

47. It makes sense to offer one baited hook at a time. Why throw all the

fish in at once?

It's called playing your cards right.

Fitz knows what he's doing. Bargaining. Everyone has to decide on each circuit if they'll ante up or fold, or raise the bet.

Let one ace on the table at a time. You'll waste the other if they show all the cards at once.

Fitz doesn't want broadcast impact. He's not doing this for ratings. He's worming his hooks and luring in the big fish.

This is really fun.
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