Offical Patrick Fitzgerald Press Conference - Thread #4 (locked)

[Skinner]

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[helderheid]

1. thanks Skinner and thanks DU for watching this together!

[grytpype]

2. Did Fitz say why Libby was not indicted for the leak itself? n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. That's where the baseball analogy came in.

He lost me because I had to go pull a two year old out of the kitchen sink . Sorry.

[cynatnite]

12. He couldn't prove it...he may think Libby did, but no proof

My opinion...I could be wrong.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. I think that's it.

Like a pitcher in baseball who hits the batter. Hard to prove intent or misthrow sometimes.

[mountebank]

28. Basically he said because Libby obstructed. The baseball analogy was that

somebody threw sand in the umpire's eyes and that's why the obstruction charge should be taken seriously.

[dollar398]

88. Because He Can't

In order for someone to be convicted of outing a covert CIA agent the have to meet certain criteria:

1. They have to know that the agent was in fact undercover.

2. The agent has to be labeled by the CIA as a covert agent within the last five years.

3. The agent has to have been stationed outside of the United States within the last five years.

We already know that numbers two and three will not be met as Valerie Plame does not fit into those to categories. She was stationed in the US as a WMD desk jockey. There's only been one person convicted underneath the espionage act and he was pardoned by president Clinton.

[speedoo]

3. I'm still confused about the GJ...

Is there going to be a new one or is this one being held over?

He spoke about this twice and I don't think he was clear.

[Beaverhausen]

9. Can't hold this one over. There will be a new one.

[Democrats_win]

11. New GJ maybe, old one may be gone. No big deal he says.

[BattyDem]

14. GJ can not be held over but ...

they'll be a new GJ if necessary.

[Mike03]

19. You're not alone

I'm not at all clear on exactly what he was saying, although he said it twice...

[Beaverhausen]

4. That press room is packed!!!

[Skidmore]

5. The tri-screen on CNN? What are Cheney and * doing?

I can only see Fitz from here--CSPAN.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. I switched off of CNN when I realized they were running on a delay.

I can only guess they are trying to upstage. Not going to work.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

16. I switched to ABC.

[Pepper32]

32. I was recording from CNN but I just switched to ABC too.

[Dinger]

How Long Did CNN Have Cheney On Screen? 20 Seconds?

if that! Stupid fucking move CNN!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. No report

he's not a Special Prosecutor. The reporters are pressing him on this.

Fitz says that he's not an independent counsel, and can't violate gj secrecy.

[cynatnite]

8. He's a totally by-the-book guy! n/t

[rodeodance]

18. a Report would be nice--but we will have to make do!

[rodeodance]

10. said it was routine to have an open jury in long cases and not to read

anything into it.

[antonialee839]

24. Now split screen with Monkey trying to pretend all is well just like the

guy from Animal House.

[crispini]

Allegations that "indicting on technicality."

"That talking point won't fly."

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

[BattyDem]

34. I do believe he just gave Kay a smackdown!

:bounce:

[Arkana]

15. "That talking point won't fly."

I love this guy.

[stop the bleeding]

23. Ditto

[Democrats_win]

27. Savy.

[tallahasseedem]

35. LOL!

We certainly are thinking alike!

[Pepper32]

17. CNN has no shame

I really wish they would stop helping Cheney and * use our troops.

[rodeodance]

30. so lets ALL email them our views on this (after the conf).

[Midnight Rambler]

40. Those troops sitting behind Cheney don't look too happy though

n/t

[tallahasseedem]

21. "That talking point wont fly!"

Love him!

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. Splendid!

[deadparrot]

22. The "technicality" talking point DOES NOT APPLY!!

A "VERY SERIOUS MATTER," says Fitz.

[Cush]

25. someone asked about the Republican talking points

"If you're talking about "National Security", that arguemnt won't fly" (Obstruction & Perjury are not technicallities in this case)

[ultraist]

26. HAHA! No sound of Bush and Cheney's live speeches

showing on CNN.

[antonialee839]

31. Bush screaming "all is well".

[ultraist]

42. And Cheney is being shown w/backdrop of soldiers

How obvious is that? fuckers!

[Skidmore]

66. Does he have them in orange uniforms to match the threat code?

[cynatnite]

29. "The truth is the engine of our judicial system" - from Fitz n/t

[rodeodance]

38. nice.

[rodeodance]

41. we need to send that one to the WH.

[Nordmadr]

33. Damnit! His voice sounds like an actor I know, but I can not

place it with the name and face!!

Olaf

[tallahasseedem]

46. He reminds me of

Kevin Costner.

[Pacifist Patriot]

57. Oh geez, my worst fear for who will play him in the movie.

I'm rooting for Bill Pullman despite their voices being different.

[Nordmadr]

65. Yeah AND Tom Hanks, but his voice is striking in similarity to

what I am sure is an actor and I CAN'T damn remember. Someone help! It is right on the edge of my brain.

Olaf

[Pacifist Patriot]

72. I have to agree with the person below. Cusack, definitely Cusack.

[Midnight Rambler]

49. John Cusack?

n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

63. Bingo!

I closed my eyes and listened and I think you are ABSOLUTELY correct. I may have to go with him for playing Fitzgerald in the movie instead of Pullman.

[Nordmadr]

70. THAT'S IT!!!!! He sounds just like John Cusack!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks. I couldn't get it out of my head.

[calmblueocean]

51. He sounds like Larry Miller -- the guy who played a doorman on Seinfeld

Funny, cuz Fitz's dad was a doorman, too!

[kid a]

54. judd hirsch?

[Blaukraut]

61. Voice like Tom Hank's, maybe?

That's who I think he sounds like anyway :-)

[ovidsen]

64. Cheney was in Savannah, GA

A luncheon for some retired GOP guy...

[crispini]

37. So firm about perjury charges NOT technicality.

[stop the bleeding]

44. Someone should tell the pukes n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

39. press asking Fitz to respond to rw talking points

That talking point won't fly.

If it is proven that Libby lied to the gj, it's a serious matter. We as prosecutors deal with false statements, obstruction, all the time. The truth is the engine of our judicial system. Citing all the people who prosecute people for obstruction, false statements. Anyone who think that a high official is subject to a different standard, we should hand in our jobs, because this is a very serious matter.

So much for the rw talking point about these charges not being important.

[Skidmore]

53. This guy is sooooo good!

We need more like him. Sigh.

Dem pols, sit down, shut up, and learn. This is how a leader speaks and operates.

[Sydnie]

43. "Truth is the engine of our justice system"

Those talking points (of technicality) won't fly!

[Dinger]

45. Is Helen Thomas There?

Boy, would I love her to ask a question? C'mon Fitz, Scottie's not running this press conference. Pleeeease?

[Fleshdancer]

47. I think CNN's tri-screen is a good thing....

first of all, the audio is on Fitzgerald instead of the President of the United States. Ouch! Tough day for Bush. Second, Fitzgerald is now known for investigating corruption in the White House. Showing images of Cheney and Bush when Fitzgerald is discussing his investigation is hilarious.

[Beausoir]

55. I agree!

It's a great juxtaposition.

Good versus evil.

[Arkana]

48. Taking on one of the last standing RW talking points

Slapping it down as "irrelevant." He's absolutely right.

[crispini]

50. "role the wife played is irrelevant!"

[rodeodance]

59. only relying on what is in the indictment.

[debbierlus]

52. Wow. Fitzgerald is EXACTLY what we want - He's good!

He is not saying anything about other possible charges, but is extending the investigation. Why?

He won't tell.

But, we know Rove is still under investigation & Raw Story is breaking that Fitzgerald is going after more SERIOUS charges. And, there may be others charged as well.

This is fascinating stuff.

The right is going to have a hard time painting this guy as a partisan hack or conducting a witch hunt.

I am impressed.

[Beaverhausen]

56. who is that guy? the new Guckert?

[prescole]

58. That eagle behind him is holding a pot plant

or my name's not Bud Green.

[stop the bleeding]

Eagles like the green

[BGOL]

71. Rove & Bush Team Win Again

XX millions on a lie... no leak.

[Arkana]

Huh?

[MN ChimpH8R]

94. Enjoy your very short stay, troll.

Buhbye

[BGOL]

what

it was a leak case... findings are a lie. This is troll.

[Beausoir]

103. Only a Freeper would think 5 indictments are a victory!

Crooks and liars.

[stop the bleeding]

60. He is killing all of their talking points - this is great - I can barely

type

[rodeodance]

74. He is making sure Libby is held accountable (if he did what is alledged).

[feistydem]

62. This is one of the best press conferences EVER. Fitz is so straightforward

[feistydem]

97. I hope Patrick Fitzgerald is our NEXT Attorney General.

It would be a relief to have a professional in that job with ethics, morals and integrity!

[0007]

67. Firtzgerald is one tough cookie.

Whoo Hoo a new GJ.

There will be more indictments coming and fairly soon, I think.

[crispini]

68. You have to know that he knew that she was classified.

And in trying to figure out the truth, Scooter obscured it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. ah the begining of the end

Mr Fitzgerald you ARE an american hero

[crispini]

73. Fitz looks like he has the eagle sitting on his shoulder.

Like a parrot! :rofl:

[rodeodance]

79. pretend it is an angle.

[buzzard]

82. like this one

[CottonBear]

99. OMG! He does have the eagle on his shoulder!

:rofl:

He just said he was "throwing a bucket of cold water" on someones question! LOL!

[mountebank]

75. Ok, so Libby not charged with leak charges because everything about

Libby's mind set and knowledge at the time not known because of obstruction, false statements, and perjury.

[Kurovski]

76. CNN and Fox are ignoring idiots Cheney and Bush.

Their speeches planned for the same time as Fitzgeralds conference are being ignored. Good, probably the same ol' same ol' anyway.

[Windy]

85. hahahahaha.... its already happening...their tactics are being ignored!

Their days of manipulating the press are gone! (fingers crossed)

[Kal Belgarion]

77. Libby indictment a warning to others--Don't lie to Fitz in the future!

[Skidmore]

80. Just like Millers was a warning to reporters to tell the truth.

[calmblueocean]

78. So are we ever going to find out if it was a crime to out Plame?

Fitz isn't tackling that. He just says that Libby obstructed justice. He says he's not going to issue a report when the investigation ends, either. I want to know about the bigger issues.

[rodeodance]

83. any new information that comes to light will be handled by investigators.

[rodeodance]

89. He again is making it clear that a GJ is available to him should he need

it (pertinent information).

[mountebank]

86. Maybe, maybe not. Investigation continues and there will be a trial

but obstruction prevents knowledge.

[tallahasseedem]

81. It is nice to hear an...

intelligent person from a podium for once.

[Tesla]

84. I know, someone I mist up watching!!!

God Bless America!!!

[tallahasseedem]

93. Got that right!

;)

[Skidmore]

87. Without talking points or sounding like a parrot, too.

[Pepper32]

90. Yes, very refreshing.

[melv]

91. oh, god, you are NOT Kidding!

I am very impressed.

[rodeodance]

100. makes me proud to be an American today. yes it does.

[Kurovski]

102. Yes, someone who knows how to do their job and just does it.

Very nice.

He's such a "Chicago" guy. It Makes me miss my hometown.

[BattyDem]

92. Damn! I want this guy on the SC!

He KNOWS and RESPECTS the law!

[Skidmore]

104. And won't play political games.

[Beausoir]

95. Pete Wilson..still whining.

He just can't let go.

Implies it's all just "memory problems."

[flvegan]

96. We CAN use further Grand Juries

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Eat it, regime.

[Dinger]

98. What Does This Mean For rOVER??

Is it true that he will continue to be investigated?

[rodeodance]

105. it means Rove is in the hotseat yet.

[zippy890]

106. Fitz ain't sayin'

;-)

[tallahasseedem]

101. I love that hes not giving up any information....

Keeping the White House and Press on their toes.

[Skinner]

107. Continue in thread 5

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