I'm amazed at the level of misinformation being posted here

[CatWoman]

Can you people even fucking READ? COMPREHEND?

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

1. Its crazy where people are taking this stuff today!

:crazy:

:hi:

[mtnester]

2. LOT'S of TPM posts CatLady

amazing how many people just woke up, just got in, jusr cannot believe, just KNOW it is over....with fabulous post counts too.
:sarcasm:

[Liberal Dose]

13. What is TPM?

Sorry, but DU really should provide a list of acronym meanings. I would donate special for that specific feature.

Thanks! :hi:

[longship]

17. TPM == Talking Points Memo

Web site of Josh Marshall.

www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

A very good one.

[Liberal Dose]

30. Thank you!

:hi:

[mtnester]

34. Not necessarily meant to reflect that website

it is just TPM is understood to be a talking point memo round here..in this instance I was not referring to Josh's site....just the simple talking points that apparently the Repubs have already prepared.

[Liberal Dose]

57. Understood. At first I tried to gather the meaning from the context, but

all I could come up with was Toilet Paper Musings. :D

[johnaries]

39. Here ya go, the DU Glossary, in the Demopedia

although TPM wasn't in there, it has most everything else:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/DU_Glossary

[Liberal Dose]

56. Thank you SO FRIGGING MUCH!

mwAH! :loveya:

[Sub Atomic]

46. There is a glossary page in the Demopedia.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Category:DU_Glossary


TPM isn't there, but there are many others.

[prescole]

3. Read, yes. Comprehend?

Nah.

[tx_dem41]

4. CatWoman...you'll be either pleased or dismayed that we are..

on the same page on this one. It took me 10 minutes to read the indictment. Why can't others do that??

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. What do you trhik I will be doing this afternoon?

first I needed to listen to history... the press conference, oh so Watergate...

tears are in my eyes...

[malaise]

16. That was the first thing I did

This is huge.

[converted_democrat]

5. It sickens me...it's almost unreal......

on edit-- Some of the people that I see doing it have high post counts too. It's unfreaking real.

[qanda]

6. They really shouldn't be so obvious

It clogs up the board.

[TayTay]

7. This is huge

and, in concert with the Abramoff investigation, it might just prove fatal to the current incarnation of the Republican Party.

This is just the beginning of what promises to be a very bad time for anyone with an R after their name.

[AlCzervik]

8. no kidding!!

[Debi]

10. So, Howard Dean wasn't the leaker?

:hi: Hope your day goes better.

I've been jumping from site to site trying to decipher all the 'news'.

[Bridget Burke]

11. Well, every disappointed DU'er makes DU Watchers af FR happy.

Could any of the DU Watchers also be DU Posters?

No, that would be WRONG!

[AspenRose]

12. TROLLS

That's all.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

18. Yes.

Highly-embedded, deep-cover trolls.

But we knew they were here.

[MADem]

48. Rose, I look at the glass as half full WRT the disrupting sorts

When the naysayers come out, the doom and gloomers, the ABANDON HOPE crowd, that can mean only one thing--they're CORNERED. Frightened. Nervous. Concerned.

And striking out, in whatever way they can.

The more horseshit we have to wade through here, the deeper the cut that has been inflicted on those clowns. If all were well, they'd be celebrating, making snarky comments, and puffing out their chests, not wasting time crapping over here.

By their deeds we shall know them!

[patrice]

14. Yes, e.g. It seemed to me that Fitzgerald didn't say there

Would be a second GJ, but that there Could be one.

[SophieZ]

20. Re: a new grand jury.

Fitz specifically said, at least twice, that the term of the current grand jury expires, today. Done. No more. It was 18 months, extended by 6 months to the 24 months it existed.

However, he said that in the normal course of prosecuting/trying a long-in-preparation case, it is standard that any grand jury would be available to him. He was careful not to build up hopes though.

He says he will do the job, completely. But, he would have predicted this case would have lasted 1 year, not 2. And, he would like to wake up in his own bed in Chicago, as soon as possible. (Instead of being in DC.)

[EuroObserver]

36. Re: GJ: What you say is right.

And he was very careful not to be drawn on how much investigation is still pending or on what further GJ may be required.

But investigation is still ongoing, and national security appears to be the acknowledged underlying issue... although he said he hadn't 'expanded' the terms of this inquiry.

ed: the entire press conference was limited to the "four corners of this indictment".

[Mr_Spock]

15. This happens all the time when news hits.

People are more interested in being first than being accurate. Amazing phenomenon isn't it?

[NightOwwl]

19. Amazing, isn't it....

DU is usually the place I can count on for getting the real story. But today...I can't believe all the disinformation that's being spread around here. :eyes: For the first time, I'm going to have to go elsewhere to get the facts.

[VolcanoJen]

21. Jesus, I know. Please tie me up and make me stop responding...

... to the 60% of threads in this forum that spew utter bullshit.

Please?

[davidinalameda]

23. what's it worth to you

:evilgrin:

[VolcanoJen]

25. I need a spanking, too, you know

You're such a little mynx.

[CatWoman]

24. LOL -- OK

[Seen the light]

22. Examples?

I don't doubt you, but I haven't seen any thus far.

[CatWoman]

26. Perhaps you need more light

[xultar]

28. come on, I'd love to see the examples too. I've been watching the press

conference

[Seen the light]

29. LOL. I haven't been clicking on most of the threads thus far

Maybe that's why I haven't run into it yet. :)

[LoZoccolo]

38. I'm not sure what you're talking about either.

I'm at work so I'm only on here sparsely, plus sometimes one person's "disruption" is another person's legitimate opinion, as I've found from being repeatedly accused of being a DLC operative.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

27. No, and no.

And no, it's not limited to lurking freepers. These doom and gloomers are a permanent DU fixture. Nothing will please some of these assholes.

[tx_dem41]

33. Vash!! Surely you jest?!?

;)

[porphyrian]

31. I can, but I can't speak for everyone else. - n/t

[Griffy]

32. you DO know repugs hire people to come here and lie...

they have hired bloggers to spread misinformation.. you certainly didnt think they propaganda machine didnt extend to the internet?! No amount of spin can undo what is happening, all it can do is dull the publics knowledge of the facts... and thats what the MSM does, however, millions of Americans are wise to the infotainment of MSM and are seeking alternate info, like AAR... and the polls show that the truth.. or at least the feeling of being deceived, is reaching the populace.. slowly but surely...

Merry Fitzmas...


on the 1st day of Fitzmas, justice gave to me..

indictments of scooter libby....

[LoZoccolo]

37. And you know this? n/t

[necso]

35. Surprised? Why?

It happens all the time.

In this case, the RW hope (and goal) is that we will turn on Fitz, see this as a major disappointment, etc.

And generally, post counts mean nothing (a smart troll establishes "bona fides" before engaging in too obvious trollery). Moreover, some members who act in a troll-like manner are merely falling for RW manipulation, are unable to resist posting their initial emotional reactions, etc.

It's a public commons -- and it's always been rather "weedy".

...

Damn, this thread has turned kinky.

Sweet.

[Individualist]

40. Major political news events always attract swarms of trolls

to DU, especially when it's negative news about Bloody George. Hope the mods are on their toes.

[Connie_Corleone]

41. Apparently not.

I watched the press conference and read in between the lines of what Fitzgerald was saying. So now, I'm waiting for more indictments in the near future. I come here and there are people here saying, "It's over!"

We live in a parallel universe.

[nvliberal]

42. It isn't "disinformation" that's the problem. It's the fact people can't

distinguish between an indictment and a conviction.

What's likely is Scooter will cut some kind of deal, and that will be the end of it.

I know people around here are so desperate to get Bush and company out, but it's simply not going to happen given the political reality.

And I just hate this whole circus surrounding the outing of Joe Wilson's wife when there are so many OTHER stories that are FAR more important to most people outside of the blogosphere, DU, and the Beltway.

Hell, there are attempts to gut unions in this country, Medicaid, and food stamps, just to name a few.

But no, we've got to hyperfocus on one thing.

That's what pisses me off with the tunnel vision displayed over Plame.

[Lerkfish]

44. Its all connected, though. Niger, Plame, Abramhoff, PNAC, Iraq, AWOL,

Gonzales, Gitmo, Extraordinary Renditions, Oil, Posse Comitas, Cheney's secret energy meetings, 9/11, Billions missing in Iraq, Sibel Edmonds, its all connected by a thread: the Neocon cabal and their ruthless desire to subvert the american govt and her people to do their bidding in world hegemony.

medicaid and food stamps are also related, in that they are casaulties of the agenda.

[DearAbby]

45. There is GD- Everything else forum where you can discuss all the other

topics to your hearts content, and they are important. There are those, like myself that are interested in this case and that is why I am in the Forum that is designated for it... :D

[crispini]

43. Yeah, but Fitz was very, very clear to say DON'T read between

the lines.

I mean, I think he may very well be planning to squeeze Scooter-- the presence of "Official A" in the indictment indicates there's someone else out there he's interested in. BUT, he was very careful to not give anything away.

I can see why people might be thinking it's over. They're probably wrong, but maybe not. Fitz was very careful about what he said.

[Jara sang]

47. Please sight examples.

Don't just make blanket statements like that.

[CatWoman]

50. I had them in my "sites"

and you can, too.

[Nederland]

51. How about this?

Most of the people on this thread seem to think that Russert is a lying sack of shit, not realizing that in part the indictments rely on him telling the truth. Then there is the gem where someone wonders why Novak isn't mentioned in the indictments, even though he is mentioned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5205946#5207321

[Javaman]

49. The freeps are out tonight

[sufrommich]

52. They don't seem like freeps to me..

more like people addicted to high drama and instant gratification.This case may or may not go farther.I think it has all the markings of "more to come".That's my hope anyway.

[H2O Man]

53. Yep.

Indeed they are.

[Hubert Flottz]

54. I think Fitz will nail Scooter and probably his boss too before...

this is over. I think Karl had better buy a mudflap for his @$$ too.

If this goes to trial before the next election the GOP is toast in congress.

Scooter is ether going to rat out the gang, or do time is my guess. The rest is icing on the cake. As the evidence develops in the wrap up of the investigation and the trial, I think other people will get busted too. If the judge lets the evidence into the trial about the lies about Iraq, this will be BIG.

If a civil suit follows the Libby trial, this thing will be Bush's Mushroom Cloud/Swan Song!

[King Coal]

55. Hi CatWoman! Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[CatWoman]

58. KC!!!

:hi:

:D