I'm not happy...... I wanted Karl Rove

[Fluffdaddy]

What a big let down. AND DON'T spin this with more indictments coming later....BS

[Mr_Spock]

1. Me three!

Hey, we may get him eventually...

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. I'm disappointed too.

But I'm not about to believe this is the end. That's not how these things work.

[Neocondriac]

3. We all do !

Anything else?

[meganmonkey]

4. Why are you so convinced that this is the end of the story?

I just don't get it :shrug:

[BigYawn]

60. Cuz Scooter or no one else was charged in outing of Plame

Fitz caught Scooter lying and I have to believe he did not
trip up Rove or others else they would have been indicted.

Since no one was indicted for the real crime of outing a CIA
operative, my fear is there will be no more indictments. Also
note that it took Fitz 2 years to indict Scooter. Now he has
to deal with a new grand jury, and start all over with them.
By the time he can ask for more indictments, Bush will be
out of office and we will gain not much politically.

The GOP has already been hurt badly with this scandal, and I
believe we will occupy the WH in 2008.

[mtnsnake]

5. Did you listen to Fitzgerald's press conference live?

If so, I don't understand how anyone could be unhappy today, but hey, we all see things differently.

Cheers

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. Take your doom and gloom somewhere else then.

Keep the nonsensical whining to yourself.

[Connie_Corleone]

8. I guess it's time for me to stay away from DU for awhile.

There will be more doom and gloom threads and I for one am not going to try to sift through them all weekend.

Too bad the hide thread feature isn't available right now.

[Fluffdaddy]

9. I'm Not going anywhere. And I will speak my mind.

You have the right Not to read my posts or to leave

Good-day

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. I also have the right to make comments like I did.

I find your pessimism little more than an attempt to stir up displeasure. I do not find it very welcoming.

[Connie_Corleone]

12. Self delete

[meganmonkey]

13. Why are you convinced this is over?

I really want to know. Several people are saying that, but after watching the press conference I got the opposite impression. I am wondering where you are coming from on this?

[readmylips]

29. Can't be over..CIA must file charges against Libby....

for revealing CIA secrets. Of course, congress, CIA, don't know who would have to investigate the whole mess of the bush admin lying to get us into war. Niger yellowcake papers were a fraud. There's no way that this is the end of this investigation.

[progressivebydesign]

41. Wow.. it's like Limbaugh was psychic!!!

When we were all happy and elated that Libby was indicted, he said that we were disappointed and deflated... I guess he was just ahead of the loop or you were late in posting.

[LSK]

17. uncalled for

I welcome everyones interpretation of what happened today.

[phusion]

7. Patience, Daniel-san

I do believe this is only the beginning.

As someone said, the Watergate indictments happened in waves. And wasn't it the end of the GJ term, anyway? So they had to leave...The evidence is just waiting there for the next GJ to pick up.

[Pepper32]

11. I'm not happy about threads like this...

Real downers. :thumbsdown:


Singing-- I can't get no satisfaction.

[jono]

14. How can you be disappointed?

Just yesterday you seemed to expect zero indictments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5191826&mesg_id=5192110

:eyes:

[Journeyman]

20. LOL. . .

there are those who'll complain in paradise . . .

[SIU_Blue]

22. good catch!!!! n/t

[Pepper32]

24. Thanks.

This post is suspicious now. IMO

hmmmmm

[Bridget Burke]

26. Perhaps that's the real reason he's disappointed?

Even one is too many...

[progressivebydesign]

42. Great catch Jono. Sounds like fluff is either an eyeore kinda person..

..or????????

[Tatiana]

45. Oh my. n/t

[deutsey]

15. I kept thinking that, like Michael Corleone, Rove was going to dodge it

Although it doesn't seem like the ordeal for him is completely over.

I'm still a bit cynical as to whether anything will happen to him, though.

[gkhouston]

23. Gotti was going to dodge it, too.

and some guy got him... was was his name again? Something Irish...

[deutsey]

28. I haven't given up hope...I just suspect that Rove is capable of anything

when it comes to saving his own neck. Unlike Gotti, he has complete access and influence over the mechanisms of state power.

[fooj]

16. The fact remains...Rove is STILL under investigation.

NO SPIN. Period.

Peace.

[Individualist]

18. What spin?

It's fact that Rove is still under investigation.

[emulatorloo]

19. "Official A" apparently still in legal jeopardy

MSNBC legal expert says this is codespeak in the indictment for somebody who is still in legal jeopardy/trouble. All others referenced in indictment are refered to by title. Those people are not in trouble (because you can figure out who they are). Notice Fitz very cagey when asked about "Official A"

But if you don't want to hear about it, unplug your computer.

[meganmonkey]

21. I will ask again - WHY are you convinced this is over?

What evidence do have? The press conference indicates the opposite, at least in my view.

Or is my question too polite and non-controversial for you to engage in conversation with me?

[Dawgs]

30. Press conference or not... it's over...

Here's why...

We will not get build up like this again. Fritzmas has come and gone. Even if Rove gets indicted down the road, it will not be the same as if it happened today.

I'm disappointed because I thought Fitzgerald had a lot more to go on than what we all knew. Scooter wasn't enough for me, and if some of you can't deal with it then that's your problem... not mine.

[meganmonkey]

33. I see both sides of it

and I was specifically addressing the OP, not you. I appreciate your answer, except for the last sentence which seems pretty snarky.

[fooj]

37. I don't think that it's a matter of "dealing with it"...

Factually, there is nothing CONCRETE to deal with yet. Rove bought himself a week or two at best. How do you think that he managed that? By "flipping" on the neo-cons. Not a good move, IMO. Don't lose sight of the fact that a founding member of the PNAC was indicted on 5 counts today.

IMO, this is FAR from over.

Peace.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

47. How would Rove being indicted (tomorrow, next week, next year)...

NOT be a huge story?

I totally disagree with your premise, and I trust that if the evidence is there (not discounting that it might have already been destroyed or compromised), Fitzgerald will find it. And Rove will be indicted. And it will be a BIG BIG deal.

[geekgrrl]

31. it isn't that I am convinced it is over- I am just not convinced it isn't

Listen, I am seriously one of the most optimistic people I know. And I don't take the spin on the news seriously at all- so don't blame it on me believing the talking heads- I don't.

I know the investigation isn't over. I see in the report where Cheney is mentioned. But what about Rove? I want to believe that the investigation going forward means trouble for rove- I really, really really want to believe that Rove can't get out of this.

We are ALL a little burned from the last 5 years, okay? And we all have a right to share our reactions to the announcements today on here- whether or not we interpret things optimistically or not. I for one feel myself afraid to hope. I need to be really convinced.

I love this place- I love that I can come here and be pumped up about how this is going. I love the information I get here- and the support.

Don't shut down those who are not feeling so hunky-dory about everything. We are the ones who need the info and reassuring the most. The people in my office today were seriously down about just Libby being indicted. I want info from here that I can bring back to them to make them (and me) feel better.

[meganmonkey]

35. Seriously, I know what you are saying

I was asking the OP specifically. Thank you for answering me. I am not trying to shut anyone down, I didn't tell anyone they are wrong, I just asked a question of someone specific who made a very strong statement but hasn't explained it. Asking for clarification is not trying to shut people down.

:shrug:

[geekgrrl]

57. I replied to the wrong post- clarification-

meganmonkey- I meant to reply to the posting above where someone said to take the gloom and doom elsewhere. I didn't mean to imply that you were shutting anyone down! :)

[meganmonkey]

62. No worries

:)

I was just really trying to get a response from the OP, but to no avail. Oh well :shrug:

[Dawgs]

25. Yep...

:mad:

[Gregorian]

27. There will be no indictments before their time.

Said the little old indictmentmaker. :)

[longship]

32. Sorry, Buddy. There *are* possible indictments later.

Otherwise, why in the Sam Hell would he keep the investigation open???

He wouldn't. He would just fold up shop now. If there were no other crimes to investigate Fitz would not be continuing.

I don't know how else to interpret this.

[flyarm]

44. did anyone hear when they went into court with the indictments

that there was something attached to it?? i can't remember the word they called it..but joe degenova said he never heard of this ..whatever they called it attached to an indictment to be turned over to the magistrate...did anyone else hear that????????
i know on cnn they were perplexed by it...

thanks...fly

[brentspeak]

46. It's over

Two years of investigation and only one person is indicted - and indicted on counts that have nothing to do with the original cause of the investigation.

Fitzgerald can continue, but if this investigation's history is any indication, nothing earth-shaking will result.

[longship]

49. Glass half-empty, eh?

Gees, I can tell which side of the bed you got out of this morning.

It ain't over until Fitz issues the conspiracy indictments.

[shantipriya]

34. Rove free

I am disappointed too. The real SOB inthis whole mess is Rove. Without him, there is no Bush and no Iraq war ,etc.

[dogday]

36. Just like with Miers, we will sit back and watch

the republicans eat their own as time progresses and every nasty, deceitful detail comes out about this administration. Don't put the popcorn machine up just yet.

[GumboYaYa]

38. Rove will have his day. A slow drip is better than a gushing

faucet. It keeps the Bushies off their game for a long time coming. I hope we can stretch this as far into 2006 as possible to help get Congress back.

[No Exit]

55. EXACTLY!! Plus, DeLay's indicted, and Frist is also accused!!

[joe_sixpack]

39. No one is going to be charged with outing anybody

I don't think Fitz believed there was enough to prove that. And I'd be surprised if Rove goes down. The point is that at least now there will be a trial and that's where the possibility of real damage to this administration will come from.

[progressivebydesign]

40. I'm thrilled that Libby went down... I am ELATED!

Frankly, I'm elated that justice is being served! Fitzgerald was brilliant at his press conference. I listened carefully to him speaking about the indictment, and what I gleaned, which I found important and uplifting was his comments about indicting Libby because he was obstructing the attempt to get at the truth of the outing. I noticed that Libby was indicted for trying to obstruct the truth.... not the leaking. Be patient, grasshopper, there are bigger fish to fry and we're just getting warmed up.

[onefreespiritedchick]

43. I wanted Rowe's head on a platter big time....

However, I'm looking at the big picture as a whole. This administration is going down...they are self-destructing before our very eyes...

[npincus]

48. I know- I feel like he will get away with it.

why couldn't Fitz close the deal?

[sub.theory]

50. KKKarl's laughing his ass off

He just got away with treason and he knows it. There's no upside to this. These fuckers don't just THINK they can do anything they want, they really CAN do anything they want. The rules simply don't apply to them. I really can't believe it. I'm mad as hell. This is a disaster.

[dogday]

52. It's going to take a lot of laughing to

lose that fat ass of his. His day is coming, this is just the beginning. We got one, and more shall follow.

[No Exit]

56. No--Pigboy's way too smart to laugh at this close call!

If Rove knows exactly where he stands, then it's because his lawyer did a good job.

The best part of all this is it has brought the whole byzantine operation of the White House--especially the Cheney side--into public view. Rove's powers of persuasion (read: his ability to cheat and lie Americans into believing bullshit) have taken a big hit.

Rove is too smart to be happy with having narrowly escaped indictment.

[Rex]

51. And you shall have him.

Along with Frist, DeLay and Rove. Just a matter of time.

[No Exit]

53. Would you rather have Cheney or Rove?

I didn't believe it at first, but now I do: Cheney really is the real president--not Bush.

And Cheney's top man and longtime blowbuddy, who knows all Cheney's secrets, is running scared.

There is now legitimate evidence out that can be used to remove Cheney from office.

Rove is their svengali, but even with all his alleged talent, he barely squeaked them through the two elections.

Scooter, OTOH, is a dyed-in-the-wool NEOCON. One neocon down, about 100 to go...

[bklyncowgirl]

54. Let's see we got Libby for Halloween, maybe Rove for Thanksgiving?

And just possibly Cheney for Christmas?

[Penndems]

58. I'll take half a loaf right now

The other half will be out of the oven in due time. Mark my words.

[mzmolly]

59. And, I wanted Santa Claus to be real ..

but, I'm making the best of the Libby indictment none the less. I'm also enjoying the "continued" investigation. You may get your wish yet, just hang tight.

:party:

[Fleshdancer]

61. Democrats claim to hate him but never really go after him

I think one of the reasons why Rove has not yet been defeated is because most Democrats refuse to beat Rove at his own game.

Let's role play for just one minute....

Pretend that the Party roles were reversed. The Democrats are in power and although the "right hand man" to President Gore was able to squeak through by the skin of his teeth, the Chief of Staff for Joe Lieberman was indicted today (THAT is a weird thought). Now imagine reading about the ever so elusive "Official A".

Disclaimer: If someone in a Democratic WH outed a CIA operative, I would personally change my status to "Independent". But this post isn't about me. :)

What do you think someone like Rove would do? What do you think the RNC would do? They would go after the "right hand man"! There would be televised ads with this person's face and the words: Official A? written all over it. Every damn Republican would be on the TV/internet site/radio YELLING that the source of the leak is OBVIOUSLY (insert name of whoever the right hand man is)!