Why didn't Cheney fire Libby?

[MichiganVote]

Why didn't Bush suspend Rove?

Why is there no comment from Rice?

Why does the newsmedia fail to report that at least three reporters did not question the fact that Libby was speaking to them confidentially about a CIA employee?

Why does Novak insist that he cannot talk about who told him about Plame when the SP/Fitzgerald said that witnesses can comment publically?

Why is it that Novak can withold his source from the public while he writes a book that is intended to reveal that information?

[spindrifter]

1. They never take the lead

on cleaning things up, being truthful, being accountable or anything else you would expect them to know about. Instead they are out front on cover, lie, cheat, steal, and, of course, torture.

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[spindrifter]

12. No need to. A BJ doesn't

jeopardize national security.

[MichiganVote]

13. And you know, I don't think there is a single man in the Admin.

who could get a BJ in or out of the WH...at least from a woman.

[spindrifter]

15. These are repressed

people, unlike some of the administrations that preceded them.

[MichiganVote]

17. Really? I just think they're all ugly

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. Why?

Because no one knows where Cheney is.

Condi is buying shining Fuckface's shoes - that's what she does on weekends.

Expecting any responsible acts from the media is like believing the hooker when she says she loves you.

Novak - Douchebag Of Liberty - got it?

Because Novak has probably already sung and gotten immunity, the blathering weasel.

Any more questions?

[MichiganVote]

8. Cheney down south at a fundraiser, re-collecting all the Hurricane funds

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[MichiganVote]

5. Enjoy your stay, short tho' it be

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[MichiganVote]

10. Not sure of your meaning but just keep talkin'

[caledesi]

24. Why bring up Clinton? It's been 5 years! Get over it. nt

[MichiganVote]

25. I didn't. You've responded to the wrong post

[SlavesandBulldozers]

37. in the year 3016 when something goes wrong in an alternate galaxy.

there will be a myth of the great Clenis which causes all ill things.

[Der Blaue Engel]

23. So you're saying you're not on the left, then

[Catherine Vincent]

16. How do you feel now that Fitzgerald is after your guys?

Hate it dont'cha? ROTFL! :rofl:

[C_U_L8R]

4. Simple

Conspiracy

Crooks and Cronies

Corruption in the Capital

[MichiganVote]

6. Culture of Corruption

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[ScreamingMeemie]

18. You sound a little....tense.

:rofl: Bad day?

[MichiganVote]

19. Dense, Mrs. Grumpy, ...the word is dense

[Popol Vuh]

20. LMAO @ osurobert

So are you saying that you should have freedom of speech to give-out state secrets and jeopardize national security?

You should think before you post.

[spanone]

14. Then Libby might have told the truth, it was all Cheney's idea.

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. It's some kind of gentlemen's agreement

A formality, really. Quit or your fired.

[MichiganVote]

22. I would have fired the bastard immediately. Scooter's no gentleman

and neither is Cheney. The sensible thing, the politically expedient thing to do would have been to fire him. Why didn't Cheney fire Libby? Think!

[Catrina]

26. Imo, that's why Cheney is in trouble

To try to deflectany blame from Cheney, the excuse is that he did nothing wrong when he spoke to Libby about Valerie Plame. True. But there are many questions that arise about this meeting.

First, why were Bush's national security advisor and VP interested in Valerie Plame? Imo, the only acceptable answer to that question would be that they were concerned about her cover being blown, maybe because they intended to take on her hustband, and wanted to be sure that her status, if she was covert, would not be harmed.

If there's any other reason, it would still have to be related to a concern for national security.

So, assuming this was Cheney's reason, after he speaks to his trusted assistant about it, he should then be able to assume that the information they discussed at that meeting would remain secret.

But it didn't, as we know. And this is where Cheney, the original leaker, is in trouble, imo. Because once he found out, he knew that the only person who might have had the information to give to Novak and other reporters, was Libby.

When he is asked did he call Libby in and ask him if he had called reporters with the information, what will he say? What we do know is that Libby remained until he was indicted.

Cheney did not fire him for talking about information that should never have been talked about. That means one of two things, Cheney is oblivious, or Cheney told him to do it.

AIRC, the law about protecting undercover agents requires that action be taken by anyone who has the clearance the VP has, and the knowledge we now know he had about Valerie Plame, as soon as he realizes her status has been compromised. Cheney took no action to protect her. Imo, that is a crime, according to what I read on Henry Waxman's site on which he posted the law.

Also, if Libby goes to trial, Cheney will be under oath as a witness.

[MichiganVote]

27. Agree. But Cheney is too careful to tell Libby outright to flame Plame

The issue is inference. How and when did Cheney infer what he wanted Libby to do....that is the crux of the problem.

[Catrina]

28. Maybe

And Libby obviously wasn't going to turn Cheney in. Or did he? How did the prosecutor get the notes of the meeting they had? I read one story last week that mentioned that Wurmser was at that meeting. And we know that Wurmser cooperated early with the prosecutor.

I'm not sure that Cheney would not have said to Libby 'let's get that bastard Wilson. His wife works for the CIA, I heard. I'll check her out'. And they did. And they were happy to see that she did work for the CIA because they could use that to say that she sent him to Niger. But it was Cheney's duty to warn those to whom he gave that info, not to use it, and when it got out, he had an obligation to do something about it, but he didn't.

They were close, close friends and they had the same goals. I think Cheney would feel free to discuss with Scooter what they would do to Wilson. Remember that Kristoff wrote the first article claiming that Cheney sent Wilson to Niger. They obviously found out who the 'diplomat' was and that's when the conspiracy began.

Now that Scooter is facing 30 years behind bars, it's possible that he may turn his boss in after a while. Otoh, once he was indicted, there was the problem of him being a credible witness. Maybe that's why Fitzgerald waited 'til now to do so. Wurmser and Hannah have not been indicted, yet we know the FBI told Hannah he could go to jail, so they obviously had something on him. They will make more credible witnesses if they are not under indictment.

Imo, Cheney and Bush were involved in the outing of Valerie Plame. Proving it is something else though, unless someone outs them and can back up their assertions.

[MichiganVote]

33. What's that old saying, Misery loves company?

Maybe that's what Libby will discover

[sofa king]

29. I can sort of answer the first one.

Sort of. Libby had a dual position within the White House. He was better known as COS for Cheney, but he also held the position of Assistant to the President. I believe the second, less well known position actually takes precedence over the first as a matter of employment.

So when he resigned, he resigned to the Presdient.

Which of course begs the question, Why didn't Bush fire Libby? I seem to recall him promising to do something like that.

[MichiganVote]

31. That's true. Wonder of wonders.....

[bridgit]

30. cheney still believes that libby with be exonerated, his line that...

'people are innocent until a contrary judgment is arrived at...' is key; not innocent until proven guilty as is accepted/standard verbiage; they all intend to nuance their various ways on out the back door and they will if attentions are not consistently applied imo

[MichiganVote]

32. Innocent until convicted is true in c ourt only. In my book, he's dirty.

[bridgit]

34. sure he's dirty, but that didn't stop the lot of them from going up...

to camp david for an all weekend strategy session with all the usual suspects & his would-be supreme court consigliere to figure out just how to get the rest of them off, dirty or no.

come to think of it...if she's been giving bush advise for so long it's a damn good thing she was driven out of consideration.

[MichiganVote]

35. Amazing aren't they

[bridgit]

36. they're simply too precious...

:sarcasm: