To the post-Nixon folks on here today - PATIENCE

[DancingBear]

The Vice President's Chief Of Staff just got nailed to the wall.

It's a beginning.

Rove is on a short lease, and Fitzgerald is holding it.

Is there more to come? We don't know.

Did they all lie? Most assuredly.

Have they had 30+ years to figure out why Watergate crashed, and figure out a better plan? Yes.

They are evil, but many are not stupid. They are much smarter than third-rate burglars.

If/when they go down, avarice and hubris will take them there. It always does.

Just don't expect Sunday morning to arrive on Saturday night.

Be patient. Let them twirl. They very well may hang themselves.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. Might I add, from the comfort of my old folks' home,

that the Watergate matter didn't go anywhere near the White House until the burglars had all copped a plea, and one of them - James McCord - broke ranks and wrote to "Maximum" John Sirica, their judge, telling him about how they'd all be pressured - and paid - to plead guilty by people in the Nixon administration, most notably John Mitchell.

After that, it was more than a year before John Dean got canned by Nixon and started singing to the Committee.

So, Bear is completely correct (as usual) - patience here is essential, and, besides, it will all go at its own pace, no matter how nuts any of us get.

They've already hanged themselves, Bear. Now it's just a matter of putting the pieces together, I suspect.

[DancingBear]

5. Mom, is that you?

:) :)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

12. ::: smiling, nodding, drooling :::::

You gonna smoke that thing or just hold it?

[DancingBear]

16. "Far out, man, I thought I had sat down"

From The Congress Of Wonders, a great SF improv group a la Firesign Theatre.

Don't know why nobody remembers them.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

19. I never heard of them

There's a bunch of us from college days, though, who still cringe whenever anyone yells, "LOOK OUT FOR THOSE BIRDS!"

Gotta check out Congress of Wonders.

[DancingBear]

22. "You can sit here in the waiting room,

or you can wait there in the sitting room."

Don't get me started - I'm beggin' ya.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. I'm sure you've heard this before,

but DON'T STOP!

That's good, that waiting room stuff ........

[DancingBear]

26. Nah, I'm usually channeling Peggy Lee

"Is That All There Is?"

What's all this brouhahah?

Brouhahah?

Hah-hah.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

27. That would explain

why I fear for you in a snowstorm...........

[kitkat65]

28. What a lovely way to burn

:evilgrin:

[trof]

8. And then the info about the tapes came out.

"What? There are tape recordings of everything that happens in the oval office?"

"Um...yes sir."
KA-BOOM!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. Oh, that was such a moment

I was pulling into a parking space at National Airport in DC and listening to the hearings on the radio (yeah, that's how we stayed on top of things back then, remember?), and Butterfield just sort of casually threw that out.

I remember turning up the volume, because I couldn't believe what I had heard, and - was it Howard Baker? - someone asked that question.

God bless Alexander Butterfield.

[charlyvi]

15. Isn't it odd, OLL, how things usually

right themselves in the end. It may take YEARS....but it usually comes out right in the end. Then another crises happens....the wheel keeps turning. :hide:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. Listen...........

A long time ago, my dangerous old Italian grandmother told me something that I, as a kid, found kind of dumb.

She said, "You spit up in the air, it lands in your face."

She might have added that sometimes it takes the spit a while to land, but it always lands, I've learned.

[charlyvi]

21. Heh he.....

My little old granny--we called her Mama T--would say "You'll reap what you sow". And it's true. Trite, but true. We just need to keep the faith.

[trof]

2. I think you mean post-Nixon.

But, yes.
You're right.

[Scout1071]

6. Damn, you beat me to it by seconds!

[DancingBear]

10. I sure as hell did -fixed

<dope slap>

[MN ChimpH8R]

3. BFEE has already woven the nooses

that will eventually be used to hang them. It will take a while to get them correctly fitted. I remember Watergate well. Patience, grasshoppers......

[Scout1071]

4. Do you mean the Post-Nixon crowd?

I was only 2 or 3 years old when Nixon resigned.

[lyonn]

7. What we need is another John Dean

And some tapes - well - e-mails. Notice how swell the administration (bush, cheney, and all) are praising Libby for being the best patriot ever? They must be covering their bets, convince him to keeps his mouth shut.

[strategery blunder]

9. I agree

See my post on the subject, because I don't feel like retyping it.;)

[Pithy Cherub]

11. The White House has a formal circular firing squad.

No one knows who is on which team and who your *real friends* are anymore. No one knows who cut other deals. No one knows whats under seal, if anything. No one knows who is the most loyal to the BFEE. Exactly what you want is the emotional pressure to rachet it up, slowly. Cheney's players may rat out Bush's or did they already do it. There is nobody breathing big gulping sighs of relief in that White House!

Bush 1 (damaged political director) Cheney 0 (lost the architect of all his evil plans)and neither knows who's playing for which team!
:popcorn:

[Blue_Roses]

14. I love this :

"Just don't expect Sunday morning to arrive on Saturday night"...

[DancingBear]

17. We aim to please

:) :)

(and thanks)

[Sapphocrat]

18. Understood, but the problem is...

...if this comes anywhere near the Watergate timeline, we are sunk. The gears need to start spinning a lot faster, or this is not going to have much (if any) impact on the 2006 elections.

It took over three years between the time something started to smell bad in the Nixon White House, and the day Nixon left office. Problem is, we need the Repuke Party exposed, in all its disgrace -- and in a way the general public will "get it" (how many people know or care about Scooter Libby?) -- before the 2006 congressional elections. We need that stink to stick on every rep and every senator with an R after his/her name.

My bet is that we'll see a Democratic president in 2009, regardless -- but how much power will he/she have with the current gang of thugs controlling Congress? The 'pukes running things now are far more emboldened (and crazier) than the 'pukes set on neutering Clinton.

"They" have to have figured out a much, much better "plan" than Watergate for this entire investigation to be of any benefit to us.

What we really need is a Rove indictment, and soon.

Sign me,

Watergate-Era Teenager

P.S. It's possible Fitz is trying to throw everyone off the scent of much larger prey. But he's not motivated by our interests; he's just doing his job, and (if he's a good prosecutor, which I believe he is) does not take into account the effect of this investigation on mere politics. So even if he levels indictments all the way to the top, he's going to do it in his own good time, not ours.

[MuseRider]

23. Oooh yesssss.

I have learned over the years to be patient. It is not easy, especially in times like these when visions of handcuffs dance in our heads.:) The fine thing about being this old and having seen this before is knowing what will be going on in the background of the White House. *Brings visions of Bush** chewing the tops off of medicine bottles it does.*

This is long, slow foreplay for us. They will be stopped from their most heinous activities while suffering their loss of credibility. Watch them twist and blubber. Loss of credibility is just what we needed for the upcoming midterms.

[Nothing Without Hope]

24. Yes. And I also recommend this thread for additional insight:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5210540
thread title: Why a Libby Indictment is Crucial (by Steve Gilliard)