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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:22 PM
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PNAC in the news
In 1992, Libby and former Pentagon deputy Paul Wolfowitz wrote a paper favoring the use of pre-emptive force to prevent countries from developing weapons of mass destruction. The paper later won praise from the neoconservative Project for the New American Century, which called it "a blueprint for maintaining U.S. pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051030/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_reconstruction

I've heard it mentioned more than once on the news in regards to Libby. Al Franken mentions it in his book as well. Maybe I'm getting my hopes up, but it would be nice to see more media focus on this.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:26 PM
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1. Wouldn't it though? This article should mention the goal of "protecting
american interests in the mid-east" as well, however. In other words war for OIL.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:26 PM
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2. MTV had a very good bit on it last night
explaining PNAC and Wolfowitz and Libby... was rather shocked.

Good for the kids to see.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:30 PM
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3. MTV? I'm shocked.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:33 PM
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4. I was too
but they did an incredible condensed fact filled bit. If only the MSM would do that so people with short attention spans could understand.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:37 PM
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8. Excellent!
The younger generation is awakening. My daughter (15) is very aware of who is a bush-bot in her class. They don't believe her even after having gone to the PNAC site. Seeing it on MTV hopefully will be trusted.

More and more of her classmates know what's up.

-Hoot
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 02:52 PM
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23. I would love to see a link to watch this - anyone??? n/t
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:11 PM
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36. My gosh! MTV does what msm should have! Good for them!
I would recommend this thread, but it's too late. This is such good news!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:33 PM
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5. It's about damn time...
PNAC is central to everything.

It's the T-Rex in the living room...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:38 PM
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6. 3.9 stars Abc did a show around the start of the war about PNCA--but
I have not seen anything since.



....

Average (138 votes)
3.9 stars
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:44 PM
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27.  sure is !
n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:21 PM
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7. this is my one hope what comes out from this
most people in this country still do not know what PNAC is


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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 04:50 AM
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9. kicked and nom. eom
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:06 AM
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10. It does seem amazing though, that it should have taken THIS long
for the PNAC issue to start to make its way into mainstream conciousness.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:38 PM
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32. It's been hiding in plain sight. It's out there for anyone to see, but
it's a shadow government that just gets ignored for the most part. Just more evidence of MSM whoredom. But for Link and FSTV, there is no such thing as the 'liberal' media.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:23 AM
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11. Thanks for pointing this out. Encouraging, though I suspect it is part
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 05:27 AM by Nothing Without Hope
of the "Libby (and maybe Cheney and Rumsfeld) is a bad apple" campaign.

Recommended
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:12 AM
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12. Spread it far and wide! And guess what: ROCCO MARTINO
was mentioned in a recent WaPo article.

These things should be brought up at Thanksgiving gatherings by any DUers who have wingnut relatives who insist on praising Bush during Thanksgiving dinner.

If a wingnut relative starts in singing *'s praises, ask 'em if they've ever heard of PNAC, or ever heard of Rocco Martino. If they say no, you can look smug and say, "Oh, dear! Uncle Judd, if you knew about these horrible things... well, perhaps it's best you not know all that, given your heart condition..."

That, I would hope, would make other relatives present clamor for you to tell them about this PNAC thing.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:18 AM
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13. Un-oh: also says that U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton, 2001 Bush nominee
has been assigned to Libby's case.

We'll see how impartial this judge turns out to be, or will he engage in payback/loyalty (i.e., will he be another "activist judge") like SCOTUS in 2000?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:25 AM
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15. If that judge "PLAYS POLITICS" the country Will go nuts.
62% of Americans are pissed off now.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:13 AM
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34. Heard this on Saturday Night Live last night
66% of Americans disapprove of Bush's handling of the war in Iraq. The other 34% believe Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:44 AM
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22. I actually heard that judge in couple of different interviews.
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 11:46 AM by Marr
He was addressing broad legal questions completely unrelated to this situation, but he seemed pretty reasonable to me. He didn't speak like an ideologue, I mean.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:23 AM
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14. I don't know why Michael Moore left it out of F911
My biggest criticism of F911 is that Moore was influenced too much by Unger's "House of Bush, House of Saud" and neglected the PNAC cabal.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:25 AM
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16. rate it up, the more we get PNAC in the news the better the case is
against these criminals. Hardly anyone knows about this group, the letter all the neocons signed, and their objectives that were well in place before 9/11. PNAC documents linked with the Downing Street minutes and Treasongate smear of Valerie Wilson and Brewster Jennings should help connect some dots for more and more people. There is a chink in the wall surrounding the * administration, let's bring that wall down. Letters to Congress critters anyone. Remember when Charlie Rangel was on Hannity and Colmes, brought up PNAC, and was accused by Sean, laughingly, of being a conspiracy theorist. Oopsy, Sean, PNAC is real, no tin foil anywhere to be seen.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:55 AM
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17. Try getting this out to the news...
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 10:57 AM by Independent_Liberal
Wallace v. Bush Lawsuit

www.wallacevbushlawsuit.com

Check out the ancillary and companion effort: www.recallthecongress.com
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:18 AM
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18. Neocon talk large today on Face the Nation.
I keep hearing the term. It's getting out there.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:24 AM
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19. what is getting out there? n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:40 AM
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20. That the neocons are occupying the white house.
Finally, there's a distinction between the regular, cloth coat, McCain, Reagan conservatives, and the WHIG, aka neocons.

This is a label that they created for themselves, and they like it.

Glad to hear it come up, even if the pundits get other things wrong. Gotta get those labels out there.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:43 AM
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21. OK - now I see yes it is always most annoying when the sheeple
employ the virtues of the neocons. Wish MTV would do more segments like that.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 03:00 PM
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24. FINALLY!
I've been jumping up and down about PNAC for two years (if you're not already familiar with it, check out the link in my sig line.) I sent the timeline to EVERYONE - Congress, cable news, national and international new sources, you name it. It's about damn time they're starting to cover it! Exposing the PNAC has been my passion for a long time and I need a rest......
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 04:54 PM
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25. Way to go! And a Mainstream Knowledge (i.g. "broadcast") of
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 04:56 PM by Amonester
the following statement:

"the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor." (!!!!!!!!!???????)

Page 63 of 90 (PDF Document):

http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

...is more than "overdue" IMHO...<

Neocon(vict)s have some "splainin'" to do to the American public...
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:46 PM
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31. If only the American public knew they existed! ::sigh::
That's why I've been on my high horse about them but it's been a lonely crusade.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:06 PM
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26. Truth on Trial
Absolutely. This is the way to expose the PNAC. They will do anything to further their agenda of global dominance, their lies and deceit are at the root of it all.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1428
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:13 PM
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28. K & R
I'm very glad some at DU are staying on top of PNAC and pushing it. Nothing reveals the MSM's blindspot more than this topic!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:14 PM
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29. Now we're talkin'
It's about time.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:39 PM
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30. Scooter's a Founding Member of PNAC
The treasonous bastard was Cheney's right hand turd way back when PNAC got up and running.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/libby/libby.php

It's a good day anytime this gets the attention it deserves.

Perhaps there is Justice in America.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:24 PM
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33. That deserves its own thread!
Thanks for the reminder.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:05 PM
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35. Thanks, Hissyspit!
Hi, Hissyspit!

Thanks for the kind workds. I'm working on something along the lines of:

"Know your BFEE: Scooter Libby, one mighty PNAC turd may go down."
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:54 PM
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38. kick n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:13 PM
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37. YES!
:toast:
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