"Someone needs to hose you down." WTF! Hume to Juan Williams on Faux.

[jefferson_dem]

:wow: No shit! Those words just slithered out of that slimeball's mouth. Amazing. At that point, Juan should've decked him or at least called him out for such deplorable, racially charged rhetoric.

[ourbluenation]

1. oh no he did NOT just say that...Jesus! What a tool.

emailing right now!

[jefferson_dem]

5. Those words verbatim. I hope crooks and liars, liveoakx, mediamatters

or someone captured it.

He was trying to paint the reaction to libby as another example of the "democrats unhinged."

[wryter2000]

13. Is liveoaktx in charge of canofun?

I am loving that site.

BTW, folks it would be nice to get this on the greatest page.

[jefferson_dem]

17. Yes indeed. liveoak is definitely a DU MVP! And canofun an A+ link!

n/t.

[Rose Siding]

67. Crooks and Liars has the video link- "The Brit Hume Hose Down"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/30.html#a5618

Oh, man that's bad. I thought Juan might have been highly animated or using some extreme gestures that might have give *some* possible contextual justification for Hume's remark, but there is NOTHING that about what Williams was saying OR his demeanor that ANYONE would think called for a smack down at all! Much less one so ignorantly chosen.

That is Very. Bad.

[wryter2000]

74. Juan's angry, all right

FWIW, I think it's probably best he didn't act out of anger. A more dignified response (such as McNabb gave Rushbot) will serve him better.

Juan's aging nicely, isn't he? Looking good. :)

[gardenista]

99. I dunno, it looks like he's ageing fast. I guess if he has to swallow

crap like that at Faux, it's no surprise.

[kid a]

98. [e-mail] - email NOW

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

154. Who exactly does that email address go to?

Hume? Or Ailes?

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. It is an incredible double-standard that we live under.

There is an entire white culture out there that thrives on themes of depression, repression and being wronged in general. No one ever tells THEM they have to be hosed down.

[tularetom]

3. If hume wants to lower himself to that level

someone needs to tell him to get rid of that hideous wart on his face.

[Mr_Spock]

6. Or perhaps wipe that mother-fucking scowl of his face...

They want to play this kind of game?? :mad:

[Poppyseedman]

4. I saw it and it did not occur to me it was a racial comment

Of course I'm not African American, so I could understand why someone might take it that way

[wryter2000]

9. That was my first reaction

But lets remember what was used against peaceful protesters in the South -- dogs and fire hoses.

[Ksec]

136. BTW Hume is a bully on that show.

He RULES the whole bunch and dares anyone to get out of the right wing talking point line.

[Name removed]

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[wryter2000]

15. Man oh man

These bushbots are sure giving us all a solid lesson in racism, aren't they? Good God in heaven, I was raised to believe that shit that bad was behind us.

[flyarm]

78. and after katrina you think what??...this admin has brought us back

to the 60's...and its a disgrace..every black person in this country should demand apology from brit hume and the firing of his racist ass!

[wryter2000]

111. I meant a long time ago

I'll admit the reaction to Katrina shocked the hell out of me, but I'm very aware that things have been going backward ever since that idiot Raygun took office.

I'm old enough to remember a time when we all thought things were getting better and such virulent racism was limited to a few, truly deranged individuals. That's what I was talking about.

[stepnw1f]

153. You and I Both

I grew up in the city with all different kinds of people. It helped me in the end. Racism is a nasty symptom of pure ignorance. Some are willfully ignorant. Some are born into ignorance. This one, may be both.

[The Doctor.]

48. BOTD...

Perhaps he meant that Juan needed to be 'cooled down' for getting hot over an issue.

Not every questionable phrase is a racial epithet. I would want to know what Williams thought of it.

If you think about it, one can construe nearly any derisive phrase as racist.

[goclark]

61. Think again, it is racist to the core!

Why didn't he say, " Cool Down Black Boy" would that have been better?

No, his racism came out loud and clear.

Lesson In African American Hot Buttons
these are just a few that should be given to Liberals and others of Good Will...

BOY when referring to someone over the age of 11, YOU people, My maid is cute like you, HOSE when telling an African America to think the way that you think, DOGS and Civil Rights in the same sentence, KKK,Bull Connor,GIRL-when referring to any minority over the age of 11,Confederate flag,George W Bush is a great President...he really cares about YOU people,Condi Rice was born in Alabama, she loves YOU People, Why don't YOU PEOPLE get over New Orleans-why didn't you evacuate when WE told you to?

Trust me, Hume's Comments will be met with the same disgust as Robert Bennett's. They will be put in the same bag marked RACIST COMMENTS for 2005.


It's not OK, not OK, not OK.

[txindy]

157. The more Brit Humus opens his mouth,...

the more I understand why someone as young and successful as his son, Sandy, would kill himself. The same goes for KKKarl's mother. Who would want to be associated with such evil?

[goclark]

170. May their ancestors rest in peace

They are both slime of the highest order.

Someday this will all be a terrible chapter in a book that has a happy ending.

The ending would involve Rove and the gang being sent to jail and justice rules instead of crooks.

[hippiegranny]

71. Whatever he meant

he should have known better. So even if it was accidental, it was one of those "tell us how you REALLY feel" moments. Humes' Freudian Slip is showing.

[The Doctor.]

73. Agreed.

I am far more prone to believe that it was indeed intentional.

A man whose career is made on words should not be so foolish.
But I do try to see the possibility that it is not meant the way that others might interpret it.

I we all stopped to consider whether our words might be construed differently than we intended, the world would be a very quiet place.

Years ago I was with a friend and his father and I was talking about a girl I knew who was crazy. I said, "She's just the kind of freak who would come after me with a knife."
My friends' father went stone cold, and for the rest of the weekend he was incredibly rude to both his son and myself.

I did not find out until later that my friends' father actually did psychotically attack a family member with a knife.

If we all have to guard our speech against offending all possible sensitivities, we will never speak at all.

[RandomKoolzip]

171. Yeah, but Hume knows what happened in the South in the 60's.

That's his job as a newsman. Black people got sprayed with fucking fire hoses for merely standing up.

You didn't know about your friend's father, so you had an excuse. Hume doesn't.

[The Doctor.]

174. True... and that is why I would tend to believe he meant it that way.

But I do not neglect the possibility that it was unintentional.

[Carolab]

79. He could have said "you need a cold shower" or something.

I mean, HOSED DOWN? What if Juan had said that to Brit?

[calimary]

123. Being an anglo, I missed the reference at first, too. But JEEEZ! Utterly

TASTELESS! Because I'm certainly old enough to remember the storm troopers in the Deep South who turned fire hoses and attack dogs and other such lovely stuff on black protestors in civil rights marches and other forms of activism (which, as I recall, were all peaceful. Just lots and lots of people present).

It would have been JUST as easy for hume to tell Juan Williams to chill, or take a deep breath, or cool down, or not get all worked up. This reference was at best thoughtless and careless and stupid (as to the connotation and mental pictures it evoked in the minds and memories of some viewers - and undoubtedly NOT just here on DU) and at worst, horridly, callously racist.

[bigbrother05]

167. When Rosa Parks is lying in state in the Rotunda

any reference to hosing someone down serves only to wave the flag of racism. Even a pseudo-journalist such as Hume has be held to a minimum standard.

With the recent events of Sec'y Rice's visit to Ala and the attention brought by Ms. Parks' passing, it is no exaggeration to see overt racism in such remarks. Another example of the waste of electromagnetic energy that is Faux News.

[myrna minx]

168. Especially considering Juan Williams wrote

Eyes on the Prize: America's Civil Rights Years 1954-1965. Its incredible racist. :grr:

[Toots]

11. I feel the same way

I never thought of it as a racial thing until this post and now I wonder why not. My first thought was turning the hose on two dogs either screwing or fighting. It is still a loathly thing to say either as a racial taunt or suggest he be treated as an animal. No wonder he is so high paid on Conservative News.

[kid a]

110. Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

[rateyes]

120. Done..

I'll let you know if I get a response.

[Carolab]

139. Done.

They should fire Hume.

[goclark]

156. Emailed and Done with cc's/ Bio for Scum Britt

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1243,00.html

[Eric J in MN]

159. Done.

nt

[belle]

149. You're right, it does sound deeply patronizing/depersonalizing,

whether the Civil Rights allusion was meant consciously or not. (and agree with whoever said that even if it wasn't consciously intended it provides a window into the way his mind works. why would that even come into your head?)

You know what else--Hume might bitch about "P.C." (god, so tired of that phrase) if called on it, but you know what? He, like his fellow Fox pundits, is a rude fuck (yes, Miss Manners told me that "rude fuck" is a perfectly acceptable expression in this instance. also "bullying asshole"). You shouldn't talk to your guests that way, period. And then they (the so-called conservatives--what *are* they conserving, anyway, besides their own egos?) have the nerve to whine about "the culture"--honey, the only culture you know is at the bottom of a yogurt container.

Part of me wishes that just once, someone would stand up to O'Reilly or one of those other jerks in a really dignified but angry way, just put the MANNERS on them.

it would help if whoever it was was also about seven feet tall and talked like James Earle Jones doing Shakespeare. but really a plain old "What gives you the right to talk to me that way? Who do you think you are?" would be a great start.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Even if it was not intentional, it was a clear window into his soul -

(like we saw with Gamblin' Bill.)

Hume - we need to whip out the hoses (figuratively) in order to knock down another uppity african-american, who had the gall to challenge him and his worldview.

[goclark]

24. It was intentional or he would not have "selected" those words

Hume knows the power of words, he gets paid everyday to speak them.

IMO, when bullies get backed into a wall they show their really true colors.

That is what is happening.

In their private conversations they are blaming my people for all of their Frat Boys problems...Katrina,Medicare, the economy and on and on.

So, their wicked lips slip when they are in public.


I am emailing them right away and would urge everyone else to do this...

On the day that we are burying Rosa Parks, this Hume says this to an " African American" in appearance.

Help me if I'm wrong, didn't Juan Williams turn into a Puppet for Bush or am I mixing him up?
and what did Juan Williams say to him back?

[jefferson_dem]

28. Juan is the closest thing to a liberal on that panel. NPR commentator.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1930705

He said nothing in response to the outlandish racial threat. The conversation just continued along the "democrats unhinged" theme.

[goclark]

34. He should have gotten up out of that seat and thrown the

mike across the table.

Rosa Parks "sat down so we could stand UP."

He should have STOOD up for himself and for his people.

He and KKKHume will hear from me today.

I am mad beyond words.

[slaveplanet]

92. It probably caught him off guard

Juan has to have his point ready in advance for the measly opening they give him...so those things were probably occupying his mind when Hume unleased.

The proper response would have been to say...Do you think the German Shepards are needed as well, is that how you'd like me to be put in my place?...

That would have really put Hume on the ropes, and it would have dredged up the spat they had about the Bennett comment.

Had he replied that way , it would have put a spotlight on Hume that he would have no way to evade.

but I'd place $ that Faux sidelined Juan after the Bennett thing and made him be less confrontational under fire.

[goclark]

103. Faux must have "deblacked" Juan's mouth

Like they did to us during Slavery.

"Master May I" days are over.

Juan is still lost in 1864, he needs to quit and take Britt with him.

They both are sorry excuses for reporters and in no way should they be called journalists.

They should both go to see "Good Luck and Good Night." Now Morrow was a journalist of the highest caliber.

[I Have A Dream]

43. I don't know a whole lot about Juan Williams, but what I've heard on...

NPR has always been very good. I've never heard him sounding like a B* puppet. (I might have missed something though, and he might also act differently off of NPR.)

[goclark]

29. Glad you understand now, as an African American

I saw the words in print and an instant image of Bull Connor and the dogs came into my mind.

Can you just imagine what it must feel like for an African American to see their people, fighting so bravely to be free in America, and having DOGS and HOSES turned on them?

We will never forget, never!

[msanthrope]

131. That's the first thing I thought....Bull Connor, with a hose. n/t

[goclark]

145. My brain went right to Bull and those huge dogs and hoses nt

[yardwork]

114. It's an incredibly racist comment.

I'm an Anglo but the meaning is immediately obvious.

I never even heard anyone say that before. It's like saying the "n" word on TV. Incredible. Hume should be fired immediately.

[tavalon]

127. Then a history lesson is needed

During the civil rights marches in the south, fire hoses were used to hose the blacks down.

[Poppyseedman]

143. Thanks for thinking I am in need of a history lesson

but I'd pass on your offer. I am well aware of the facts.

Just because I don't automatically assume it was a racist comment doesn't mean i'm ignorant of the facts

[nini]

130. Brit Hume is the master of hate... He meant what he said in the worst way

I 'might' give some benefit of the doubt to some people but not to a fucking piece of shit like him.

He knew exactly what he was saying and he knows he can get away with it on Fox - hell.. that's what they expect.

[deadparrot]

135. I'm not black, but it absolutely sounded racially-charged to me.

From the look on Williams' face, I can tell he felt the same way.

[Bouncy Ball]

141. Before a few years ago, it wouldn't to me, either.

But I've been learning more about the civil rights movement since then and I've seen the film footage of the hoses they used, my God. They were using such force they could take mortar off a brick. Sheesh, crazy!

So nowdays, that comment WOULD strike me as racist when aimed at an African-American.

[Kahuna]

164. Obviously you didn't grow up in the early 60s where you would have seen..

black folks getting hosed down on your nightly evening news while you ate dinner. :eyes:

[Poppyseedman]

178. Actually I did grow up in the 60's

I just don't think every comment that contains the word "hose" conjures up Bull Conner. I don't think in terms of race unless it obvious.

[cantstandbush]

166. Only people who lived through the "hosing down" would get this immediately

Juan should quit in protest and make a HUGE stink about it.

[speedoo]

7. Hume is worse than Hannity or O'Reilly.

Because he pretends to be a journalist.

I hate him... pure slime.

[hlthe2b]

20. Hume used to work for ABC-- how on earth did they

manage to keep him contained. It seems he is frothing over with sexist, racist, hateful thoughts and beliefs.

[dogfacedboy]

41. Must have been a dream gig for him to go to FOXpropaganda.

FOXpropaganda encourages this kind of nonsense.

[wryter2000]

8. Holy fucking shit

Is Williams going to let him get away with that? :mad: He's the one who referred to the Oaklahoma bombing men as "the angry white man in his natural state." Surely, the guy who said that won't let Hume get away with this crap. :nuke:

[johnnyrocket]

134. If Drudge were a liberal I could see the siren headline now...

"Brit Hume tell Juan Williams: someone needs to hose you down."

[AirAmFan]

14. Did Hume mean to evoke Bull Connor, or was he thinking of Julie Brown's

line in "Earth Girls are Easy": "Somebody needs to hose those girls down!"

[pretzel4gore]

16. brite hum is doing it for us!

mygod i love that guy! he is karma unloaded on the nazipoos!...him and john '5 in ther noggin'' gibson and william 'we must abort the blacks' bennett and pat 'let's jfk mr chavez' robertson and grover 'drown representative gov in bathttub, while expanding forces of public cohersion' norquist......i love it. their own words expose them.

[kid a]

108. Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

[pretzel4gore]

121. done, but nasty as hell.

i would hurt brite hum or john gibson or las bitzer or tom friedman/david frum/robert novack if i was to encounter them on a dark and windy night, and i cannot deal with them or their organs as honourable men, they are punks, and have committed long term treason knowingly

[Rose Siding]

18. Ironic: Mrs Parks is to lie in the Capitol Rotunda today

I doubt Hume made any connection, but it was still a thoughtless remark.

[kid a]

102. Hume is an idiot

[Neil Lisst]

19. Because of Brit Hume, Bush never has to fart.

Brit's constant ass sucking of Bush preempts any presidential flatulence.



http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

[TrueAmerican]

21. This is the new talking point. Democrats are foaming at the mouth

Dittoheads are repeating it all over the place, from forums to blogs to their right wing news sources.

[understandinglife]

22. Think Progress posts on it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/30/hume-hose-down

Hume should be fired for that statement.


Peace.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Thanks for the link. Fired, yes. This was way beyond insensitive.

[Rose Siding]

39. Good- Here are photos of the memories evoked by Hume's remark

[johnfunk]

60. That's Brit Hume for you -- always a man of sensitivity and erudition

Roger Ailes should fire Hume's ass for that racist comment -- but I doubt Lardass Roger has the honor or integrity to do so.

[LiberalPartisan]

87. Ailes loves it!

Ailes probably gave Hume a high-five and bottle of scotch!

[wryter2000]

112. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[johnfunk]

129. You're probably right

I can understand why Brit's son committed suicide -- with a Dad like that, who wouldn't weant to?

[Poiuyt]

25. Someone here said that Brit Hume's face looks like a hot pizza sliding off

a plate. He always looked to me like the old bloodhounds from the old Warner Brothers cartoons

[goclark]

26. Does anyone have a video link?

What Juan said was measured and politically correct for Prime Time TV.

If he needs a hose for what he said than Hume must be the President of the KKK.

I am emailing to ask him what chapter he belongs to and can we see Hume's membership card!

I am so angry,just so angry.

[Marie26]

81. Crooks and Liars has the video up - http://www.crooksandliars.com/

[goclark]

116. What a piece of scum is KKKBritt nt

[wryter2000]

52. Stephanie calls him a sharpei eom

eom

[SlavesandBulldozers]

89. yes the bloodhounds. exactly

or even droopy dog

[Flying Dream Blues]

27. I also would like to ask what Juan said back to him??? nt

[goclark]

35. Just read that he said nothing

I want to believe that he was just in shock but I am sure going to find out.

[wryter2000]

53. Probably shock

Did you see the expression on Tom Jackson's face when Rush made his racist remarks about McNabb? Both he and Boomer sat there, staring. Boomer said later that he should have said something right then. Sometimes it takes a few minutes to recover from bullshit like that.

(Sorry about the Stephanie and Boomer references. I'm having serious senior moments today. If my late husband were to walk into the room right now, I might not remember his name. :evilgrin:)

[goclark]

58. Believe me I understand Memory :)

I agree.

I have experienced moments like that in my career.
You can't believe that it was said in modern day America.


Brit Hume has no excuse for his behavior.

I emailed him a big piece of my mind this morning.

[ContraBass Black]

63. There was definitely a facial reaction.

I think he was too surprised to respond.

[alarcojon]

125. I believe it was shock

When someone says or does something so overt, I believe the most common reaction is disbelief, almost a wish to believe it hadn't actually been said or done. But, once the initial ahock wears off, Williams should rip Hume a new asshole in no uncertain terms. As all of us should be doing.

And as for the white folks who needed the racial component of that remark explained to you in this thread, please be more sensitive to the history of the civil rights movement.

[AirAmFan]

30. Infamous fire-hose/dog photos from May 1963 in Birmingham Alabama

"On April 20 (1963), King and Shuttlesworth were released from prison, and the marchers were ready to begin. James Bevel was the primary organizer for SCLC. He orchestrated a plan to use high school children to initiate the march. The plan was to use 13 to 18 year old kids to fill up the city's prisons. With the media there, this would surely embarrass city officials. On May 2, the march begin. Less than a block away, Bull Connor was waiting for them. As soon as they turn the corner, he ordered the arrest of all of the students. Over nine hundred children were jailed ranging from the age of 6 to 18. Connor was furious and many of his officers were embarrassed. The following day, Connor called out the water cannons and the dogs. As marchers came parading down the streets, the police attacked. First came the water cannons, then the Billy clubs, and lastly the dogs. America watched in horror as school age children were being savagely beaten. The whole nation was outraged. The following day, things were different. As the marchers came down the street, Conner again ordered his men to attack. Instead, firemen refused to turn on the hoses and many of the police would not participate in the arrests. Several hundred protesters were still arrested that day."

http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/EDG2701%20All%20Classes/Racism.htm

[kid a]

109. Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

[Ladyhawk]

31. Unforgivable remark. Hume needs a good firing. n/t

[kid a]

105. agreed

[donsu]

32. Hume has forgotten that what goes around, comes around

nt

[1932]

33. Hmm. It suggests both that he's an animal and reminds one of'60s-era pro-

tests for civil rights.

And this is how they treat fellow Republicans?

[goclark]

36. As far as I know Juan is not a Republican, is he?

Let me know asap because I am emailing this thread to all of my African American friends and to Tom Joyner, the NAACP and everyone else.

I want to be sure about his politics.
As I recall when I first saw him on TV, I was thrilled.

He was so bright and I thought a rising star.

Then I noticed that he did not speak out firmly on issues dear to Liberals.

Let me know asap because I am really angry at Hume, really angry.

[1932]

40. He is VERY Republican.

He hosted Talk of the Nation on NPR. His first show that I ever heard was celebration of Bill O'Reilly, and the show was a total lie. He presented O'Reilly as a working class hero. Every show I caught after that was conservative propaganda. They eventually got rid of him and I suspect that it was because he was laying on the conservative propaganda a little too thickly and too many NPR listeners were wise to it.

Fox would not have on their program someone they couldn't count on being Right Wing. He plays a role on that show -- he's supposed to look like the liberal because he is black. But listen closely to what he says. None of it is very critical of Republicans.

[goclark]

49. Thanks for the heads up and

maybe it should have happened in private.


However, he will learn from this or I'll eat my hat.


Bet he felt like a Katrina victim today and that is sad.

[gbwarming]

124. Williams as way off the Faux script during the segment in question

White house in trouble, smear campaign on Wilson - these are not RW talking points and that's why Hume insulted him.
i don't watch FAUX so I can't commenon Williams rle there. On NPR Williams was fairly centrist in my opinion. NPR has years of audio archives online - judge for yourself. Here's a May 2000 Bush Gore background that Williams hosted:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1074852


I can't find a show dedicated to O'rielly that Juan Williams could have hosted. Perhaps you remember this show hosted by Neal Conan:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1147480

Talk of the Nation, July 30, 2002 ·
Guest:

Bill O'Reilly
* Host, Fox News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor
* Host, The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly
* Author, The O'Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad and the Completely Ridiculous in American Life (Broadway Books 2000) and The No Spin Zone: Confrotiations with the Powerful and Famous in America (Broadway Books 2001)

Bill O'Reilly drives some people crazy, others adore him. Either way, he's hard to ignore. He hosts the top rated cable news show, and has two best selling books. The self-described, "real cocky bastard" -- Bill O'Reilly is our guest this hour on Talk of the Nation, from NPR News.

[1932]

126. I don't think NPR should be promoting people who have no problem

getting the media attention O'Reilly gets. Let Entertainment Tonight participate in the plugging of the mega-stars. NPR is a public station and should be dealing with issues and personalities who don't have an easy time getting broad coverage for their ideas and arguments.

I'm trying to track the show down. It was before January 18, 2002.

I know this because I found this letter in the Buzzflash archives:

BuzzFlash:

Bill O'Reilly has been on a major NPR show -- the Juan Williams incarnation of Talk of the Nation. I listen to NPR a lot when I'm putting in my miles outdoors (sound mind in a sound body) and heard this pompous, sneering windbag promoting his book (and I missed Ray Suarez more than ever).

O'Reilly is cheesed because Diane Rehm won't have him on. She is a saint for many reasons, one of them being that she puts up with the fellow from the Weekly Standard quite regularly and another because she doesn't let her guests or caller yammer on rudely. (She had to chastise Pat Buchanan when he was on her show.) How like Bill to castigate an entire organization because he is upset with element of it. Bullies are like that.

Pat Kiewicz

http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/2002/01/mailbag011802.html

[1932]

128. While I continue to search for the transcript

Here's some of Media Matters recent commentary on Juan Williams:

http://mediamatters.org/archives/search.html?string=juan+williams&media=all&date_start=2004-04-19&date_end=2005-10-27&topic=&topic=&topic=NPR&go=Search

which turned up this:

Has NPR's Juan Williams been spending too much time with FOX's Brit Hume?


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National Public Radio senior correspondent and FOX News Channel contributor Juan Williams joined fellow FOX News Sunday panelist Brit Hume in adopting the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign's misrepresentation of Senator John Kerry's statement about a "global test." On October 5, Williams falsely reported on NPR that during the first presidential debate, Kerry "talked about getting global consent for America to take preemptive action."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410060007

And here's something else I found:

Less frequent Special Report panelists include conservative Washington Times reporter Bill Sammon, centrist Fortune writer Jeff Birnbaum and NPR host Juan Williams. Williams, the only guest who could plausibly claim to be a liberal, was so outraged over attacks on his friend Clarence Thomas that he declared that "liberals have become monsters" (Washington Post, 10/10/91), denouncing the "so-called champions of fairness: liberal politicians, unions, civil rights groups and women's organizations." Indeed, Fox's crew of "liberal" pundits seems almost calculated to be either ineffective left-of-center advocates or conciliatory moderates. Ironically, perhaps the o nly Fox commentator who consistently presents a strong progressive perspective--that is, critical of corporate power and militarism, and sympathetic to progressive social movements--is FAIR founder Jeff Cohen, a weekly panelist o n the weekend media show Fox News Watch.

http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3543

[gbwarming]

137. I agree Williams misrepresented Kerry in that piece.

But it isn't as if that's the ony thing Williams has ever said on air, or the only place he pops up on mediamatters. I just don't beleive he deserves a write off.

Hume-Williams rivalry ratchets up on FOX News Sunday
http://mediamatters.org/items/200411220003?is_gsa=1&final=1

Juan Williams to O'Reilly: "Bill O'Reilly neutral? That's a first. Bill O'Reilly neutral. Oh, please."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200411040002?is_gsa=1&final=1

Juan Williams noted Swift Boat Vets "are lying"; highlighted Jerome Corsi's slander against pope, Jews, Muslims
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408240004


Knight Ridder, Palm Beach Daily News, Fox News' Hume repeated misleading Red Cross story, shifted blame to Blanco
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120001?is_gsa=1&final=1
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From later in the same Fox News Sunday broadcast, during a panel segment with FOX News contributors Mara Liasson and Juan Williams of National Public Radio and Bill Kristol of The Weekly Standard:

HUME: And the third failure was the -- the other failure, I should say, the second was -- you see the president's approval rating there has been hammered by all of this and I suspect local officials will as well -- but was the failure to give relief supplies to those who couldn't or didn't or wouldn't get out of the city. And there, the governor bears clearly the responsibility, would not let the two agencies who were prime movers and partners of FEMA, the Salvation Army and the Red Cross, both mentioned in the law creating FEMA as an integral part of what FEMA does, into the city.

<...>

WILLIAMS: You can try to make lemonade out of this, but these are lemons Brit, and you gotta to recognize that FEMA even failed to recognize the extent of the crisis.

HUME: That's absurd.

WILLIAMS: That's not absurd. Michael Chertoff was on NPR talking to Robert Siegel saying, "Oh I don't think there's a problem at the convention center." He didn't even know about it, and it was on Fox, and he could turn on the cable and watch the problem.

[1932]

138. The only reason Williams argues with those people at all is because

they are absurdly far right. In the real world, Williams is very conservative. (He was a major Clarence Thomas defender.)

There are many good journalists who don't turn up at all in a search on Media Matters. Williams turns up repeatedly.

[kid a]

37. Just finished emailing this to both liberal and RW blogs

as well as FOX and Countdown

Brit HUme - WORST MAN IN THE WORLD

[I Have A Dream]

45. I've got to disagree with you -- Santorum gets my vote for...

"WORST MAN IN THE WORLD". ;)

[goclark]

65. Thanks so much for understanding our outrage

That means a lot.

Sometimes it is hard to help others to understand "walk in my shoes" issues.

[Tennessee Gal]

38. You don't say that!

Hume is an idiot. I am surprised Williams didn't smack him upside his head.

[Rose Siding]

42. I sent it to Crooks and Liars

I wasn't watching and would like to see how Williams reacted.

"You don't say that!" Indeed!

[terrya]

44. Of course, naive that I am, I'd expect Hume to apologize for that remark.

But, it's Brit Hume we're talking about, so no apology for this breathtakingly racist remark.

[wryter2000]

113. He'll apologize right after Bennet does eom

eom

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. Someone needs to post this on freeperville

I just posted it on a freeper dominated board. It will be very interesting to see how the freepers react to this one. LOL

[jefferson_dem]

148. Freeper link here. Put on your hardhats and bring a barfbag, friends.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1512236/posts

[belle]

161. "Juan turned pale at that comment, lol." Nope, no racism *there.*

Asshats. :thumbsdown:

[proud2BlibKansan]

179. They point out my post!!

I wish I could feel famous or even flattered, but they're . . . freepers. :puke:

[Alpharetta]

47. It's a talking point

They're writing the instruction manual in how to embed racism in daily dialog.

They're following Newt Gingrich's recipe he laid out in his seminal 1995 memo "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control"

It's the power of words. Every day FoxNews introduces new words it's OK to say.

Institutionalized racism. One word at a time.

[goclark]

107. You nailed it exactly-embedded racism

in order to keep their base happy.
They know what they are doing and they keep on doing it.

They probably get big pay raises for doing it.

Hume will probably be nominated for the SC tomorrow.

[stevietheman]

50. Perhaps Brit was following up from the earlier FAUX report...

[0007]

51. Haven't watched FAUX News in years. And don't plan on it

anytime soon. I don't understand why Juan Williams still hangs around.

That comment by Hume sez a lot about him and what FAUX is all about.

[rosesaylavee]

54. I can't believe Juan said nothing...

[goclark]

68. I wish I could have been in his seat when Britt said it , it

would not have been a pretty picture...

Soul sister, goclark, would have been across the table with my hand on my hips and my finger would have been thisclose to Britt's slimy face.

By the time I finished with Hume this morning,he would have a real understanding of what I thought of him, his Mama, his Daddy and Fox News.

[wryter2000]

76. Lordy

I'd pay to watch that. Just give me enough time to get the :popcorn: and :beer:

:bounce:

[goclark]

80. ROTFL but if you know me,you know I'd do it!

I emailed Britt this morning and said that he should be on the look out for a new job because he should be fired!

I let him know the list of people that I have notified. I started with all the leaders of the MMM and ended with Conyers.

I should have told him that I cc'd it to Tookie Williams, Past "President" of the Crips Gang in Los Angeles. Tookie is on Death Row and was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Since one of Britt's "buddies" just sentenced him to die, Tookie has nothing to lose.

Huum, can Tookie still make phone calls? I bet he could help Britt to understand what his MEAN words mean to African Americans.

Can't you see Britt's face? He would need "A Hose To Cool Down" and wipe the sweat off after his little phone call from Tookie.

:dilemma:

[flyarm]

83. many times one is so shocked at ignorance and disgusting remarks..

that person confronted has no time to react verbally..but juan definitely looked shocked as all get out to me!

birt needs to be fired over this..this is inexcusable..i dont care what fucking spin they put on it!!

fly

[Spiffarino]

55. K&R

Brit Hume is a shithouse rat. EOD.

:nuke:

[eShirl]

56. sounds to me like Hume was propositioning him

Juan Cole was trying to think of a polite way to turn him down, no doubt.

[AlCzervik]

57. Hume baits him on purpose, i'm sure Hume had already planned

on saying it but waited until the time was right and Chris Wallace has got to be the worst host in the world.

[ContraBass Black]

62. It sounded like he was trying to innterrupt with it

All through Williams's statement.

[AlCzervik]

85. It's like when Hume says things like to him, which he does almost

every time i think what he's really doing is trying to undermine Williams creditability, it's like he the audience are sharing an inside joke, something along the lines of "See ladies and gentleman, you can't listen to a word Juan says, he's a left wing nut, but you get that--you are it getters"

[jefferson_dem]

59. Video link (Crooks and Liars) >

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/30.html#a5618

[goclark]

66. Wooo, thanks for the link! The nerve of a Black Man

to say something about the Crime family to Gotti Hume.

Juan Williams needs to call them on this one ASAP but he probably will not.

Likes his job and all.


Rosa Parks sat DOWN so he could even get on a bus in the front!

[gardenista]

86. Thanks for the video link. Williams looked really shocked, but why didn't

he say anything?

[ContraBass Black]

64. Did the host GIGGLE when he heard that?

:mad:

[meganmonkey]

69. To me it sounded more like a gasp of shock, but it's hard to tell

It may have been me gasping in shock.

Jesus. The crazy thing is, it isn't even like Juan was all worked up, he was very calm in what he said right before that horrible comment. Not that it would have been justified in any way, even if he had been excited about something, but there is NO way to construe it as referring to hosing down 2 dogs fighting or something...no excuse.

Fucked up shit. :(

[Catherine Vincent]

70. It more than likely was Kristol.

Brit Hume is an ASS! And he looks like one!

[Coexist]

77. It was a giggle, sounded like Kristol.

they are too disgusting for words. Juan Williams is a decent conservative. Brit Hume is a schmuck of the worst order. What an arrogant fuckhead he is.

edit to fix name.

[goclark]

82. Think it was Juan Williams nt

[gardenista]

91. No, it wasn't Williams. I replayed the video in slow motion.

It may have been the other panelist, or may have been a crew member.

[goclark]

96. you mean the giggle person? nt

[gardenista]

97. Yes. nt

[roseBudd]

163. I've noticed Kristol is quite the inappropriate giggler on Bill Maher...

He always puts his hand on another guests shoulder, especially if they're black, like see, I'm not racist, I touched one.

[pretzel4gore]

175. kristol giggled...sorta appalled giggle

like brite hum farted really loud, or something

[The Stranger]

72. Wow, Brit Hume should be spitting teeth after a comment like that.

It is unconscionable how blatant, unaplogetic racism has become the norm after everything that has happened.

[Rose Siding]

75. I watched the clip and it was just crazy

I though Williams must have been yelling or all worked up, and that Hume had thoughtlessly chosen a very bad way to say "calm down" or something. But it really wasn't like that.

There was a brief shot of Juan afterwards and he looked like he'd been slugged.

[gardenista]

88. I wish he'd called him on it right there.

Did you also see the very quick cut to the contemptuous look on Hume's face when Williams was talking?

[Rose Siding]

94. Yes, and at one point while Juan was talking,

Hume glanced at the camera. I wondered afterwards if someone was signaling him, or if he was just getting steamed that what Williams was saying was getting on the air at Faux!

[gardenista]

95. I think it was the latter. He was obviously really pissed off and

contemptuous. The combination of Williams exposing Libby's hubris on Faux, and Rosa Parks lying in state in the Rotunda must just be too much for Bretty's little pink ego.

[Mira]

84. Hume should have been fired on the spot

no later than the next commercial.
With our history - we absolutely cannot allow this. Juan W. looked utterly incredulous, shocked and beyond slapped, he did not miss any of the implications.

I am ashamed that this was allowed to happen - and by the SOB HUume not being fired by now that is exactly how it is.

No excuse works here. I am livid.

[gardenista]

90. Agreed. But isn't it also Williams's responsibility to call him on it?

Williams is now a seasoned participant in these types of debates. Why didn't he speak up?

I imagine he was dumbfounded, but I just wish so much that he'd called him out right then and there.

[Mr.USA]

93. Brit was waiting to say this

watch the video: Juan starts slamming and Brit is caught looking off as if he was getting a que to slam back with this remark.Then Brit tries to interrupt finally gets the camera on him and Deliberately said that he needs to be hosed down.Crystal the fuking scum he is GETS IT he laughs as if he was at the Bohemian grove roasting marshmallows with the good ole boys.
These guys are pure evil

[gardenista]

100. It looks that way to me, too. How horrible. nt

[Mr.USA]

106. GOP to Blacks...........

FU Rosa

[kid a]

101. Please EMAIL: [e-mail]

Hume is a purely partisan hack.

[Rex]

104. Racist pig! Deplorable but expected from RW ass clowns.

The party of 'morality' my fat ass! RWingers like Hume need to die a slow, painful death.

[davsand]

115. Was it calculated or an incredibly racist slip up?

I've watched that clip a few times and I have to say I think it was orchestrated.

I think Hume was laying in wait to do it. I also think it did a very nice job of pulling attention to outrage at Hume rather than outrage at the corrupt pigs in the WhiteHouse. Hume was WAAAAAAAAY too calculated with his delivery for this to have been an accident.

Just an opinion.


Laura

[senseandsensibility]

117. Plus Williams was not at all angry or out of control

so Hume's reaction was not natural. I agree, he was waiting to repeat his karl rove talking points like a good little bushbot, and he was going to do it even if there was no real reason to do so. I'll bet he's proud now that he scored his brownie point from karl.

[roseBudd]

118. Just sent complaints to Fox and Hume

[kid a]

151. me too

[rateyes]

119. If I were Juan Williams and he said that to me..

I would have shoved my fist down his throat so far, he would have been crapping fingers.

[fishwax]

122. what a dick!

I'm not a big fan of juan williams, but hume is a total POS. Totally uncalled for :grr:

[johnnyrocket]

132. Brit Hume needs to be FIRED! Time to pull a Trent Lott on...

...this smarmy asshole!!

[kid a]

160. put a white hood on him and chain him to a rail

[Ksec]

133. its his subconscience speaking.

Once a racist, always a racist.

[goclark]

140. Here is a link bio for Juan Williams

Today he found out what racism is all about.

When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.
Britt is a Dog and Juan should have known better than to sell his soul to the RACIST HUME!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2137,00.html

[kid a]

162. thanks

[Bouncy Ball]

142. I haven't watched the clip, but what the hell could republican

Juan Williams have been saying to cause HUME to say that to him?

That's an awful thing to say, most especially to an African-American and methinks Hume knows it and deliberately chose those words.

[goclark]

144. He was speaking the truth and The Master Hume

kicked him verbally out of the Big Faux KKK House.

He was very calm and measured in his words.

Nothing he said should have gathered the hateful words of KKKHume.

[Bouncy Ball]

147. Yep.

You would have thought (if you didn't see the clip, which I now have), that Williams was practically frothing at the mouth. He wasn't doing anything of the sort. Just commenting.

[Bouncy Ball]

146. Ok I've watched it now.

That was damn insulting and hurtful. Hume WAS trying to get it in a few times before he said it, he thought that shit out. Juan William's face was really one of "did he just SAY THAT?"

Wow. And the giggling by Kristol. Wow.

[goclark]

150. Can one reporter sue another reporter?

We would have to go one on one with that insult.

There is no way Britt's Mama would not have been insulted during my "conversation" with him immediately after the credits roll.

My foot would have been planted ... no I better stop right there!

[Supersedeas]

177. premeditated laughter maybe?

[stepnw1f]

152. Good...The White Right Wing Nazis...

are exposing themselves for the type of people we always said they were.

[goclark]

155. Has anyone seen a response from Faux news?

The clock is ticking for these criminals to say sorry.

We know that won't happen.

[Eric J in MN]

158. Has Brit Hume ever said that to a white person? (nt)

nt

[zulchzulu]

165. The worst part is that Hume lied so much in each of his statements

He was barking the talking points to willing smirking Wallace that there "was no proof" in Wilson's trip to Niger, that the report was "completely inaccurate", that the Libby indictment will be overturned due to lack of solid evidence, etc.

He is so utterly full of shit on so many levels... his "hose you down" comments were probably approved by the Rethuggers beforehand with his probable disagreement that Rosa Parks was anything but an uppity nigger that should have been shot by his fellow Rethugs Of Yesteryear.

[kid a]

172. fake journalist

[goclark]

169. In the Faux Bio for Hume

I see that there is a "Director" or some such big title at Fox that happens to have the last name HUME.....huuum.

It happens that they are married...huuum again.

So we see that he will not get fired and it was probably done with her complete approval.

[spanone]

173. Brit Hume USED to be a journalist. NOW he's a complete fool.

[goclark]

176. He is an Evil wanta be member of the Crime Family

[Mojekearthe]

180. 100% BOYCOTT FOX NEWS NOW!!

This is the announcement I'd like Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid to put out:

"Thank you for coming to this briefing. House leader Nancy Pelosi, Senate leader Harry Reid, and myself are here to announce a Democratic news boycott against Fox News.

"For years, Fox News has perpetuated the extreme right wing views which most citizens find appalling, and therefore is not a credible source for democrats to engage Americans in the arena of ideas. With the routine slandering and absolute refusal to allow multiple political views to be presented to the American public, we representatives of the Democratic Party have made a pact to refuse to express our views on their network.

"Henceforth, all requests for media participation from our Democratic Party representatives from Fox News or the News Coporation will be denied. Congresspersons, senators, gubernatorial heads, and party officials will of course still engage their views on other networks and through private means.

"If Fox News changegs its format and elimates their bias, we will reconsider our involvement with them at that time. Thank you."

EVERYONE in DU, please get to Howard to instigate this very necessary step.