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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 12:37 PM
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I need some help identifying possible persons in the indictment.
Page 4 - ("Under Secretary of State")International Security Affairs John Bolton or Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman?

Page 4 - ("A senior officer of the CIA") ?

Page 5 ("An aide to the VP") John Hannah - Senior Nation Security Aide or David Wurmser - Middle East Advisor?

Page 5 (CIA briefer") ?

Page 6 ("Libby's then Pincipal Deputy") John Hannah

Page 7 ("WH Press Secretary") Ari Fleicher?

Page 7 ("Counsel to the VP') David Addington?

Page 7 ("Ass't to the VP for Public Affairs") Catherine Martin (she was his press secretary)?

Page 7 ("MSNBC Reporter") Chris Matthews

Page 8 ("Official A") Karl Rove?

Page 8 (Other Officials) Plane trip from Norfolk

This info is probably somewhere, but I have been looking since early this morning and my brain is mush. Y'all can probably google the answers straight away. Help an old brain please.

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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 12:41 PM
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1. most of these have been identified....
Official A is Rove. Just google the rest under "news"
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 12:43 PM
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2. I have been googling since 7 AM. Can you cite a source for
the Undersecretary of State. I get two on the Cheney team. Has one or the other been identified?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 12:45 PM
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3. Catherine Martin is Named Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affai
Catherine Martin is Named Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs, Mary Matalin, Assistant to the President and Counselor to the Vice President Resigns
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021213-5.html
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 12:52 PM
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4. Thank you. Source Noted. And a good one. I was on DOJ
this morning looking for the legal counsels. Could not find it. I get confused on the gov'mint sites.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 12:55 PM
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5. At Least 7 in Cabinet Knew of Plame's ID
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:44 PM
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6. Thanks. That ties up a lot. Now I just have to find
which was the senior aide, Wurmser or Hannah. Also the CIA agent.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 02:28 PM
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7. Wouldn't the "senior CIA officer " be Tenet?
I'm undecided about Wurmser vs Hannah since both are members of the PNAC Glee Club with Bolton and Cheney.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 04:09 PM
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8. I don't think so.
I think it's Alan Foley. He was also Plame's boss. I think I wrote about this to you in the other thread.

Wurmser is the aide; Hannah is the Principal Deputy if those are the only names considered. Wurmser was on loan from Bolton.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 04:17 PM
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9. We need a flow chart of the cast of characters
Thanks for all the details on the Players. If Fitz can prove a conspiracy, then Bolton's GOT to be caught in the net too.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:09 PM
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10. I tried this morning. Yes, a flow chart would be great. Also a
list of those who testified before the GJ. I would like to know if a Stu Cohen testified. Any idea where to get that list?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:13 PM
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16. All I could find
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 07:22 PM by LunaC
was a list of journalists.



  • Robert Novak, "Crossfire," "Capital Gang" and the Chicago Sun-Times

  • Knut Royce and Timothy M. Phelps, Newsday

  • Walter Pincus, Richard Leiby, Mike Allen, Dana Priest and Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post

  • Matthew Cooper, John Dickerson, Massimo Calabresi, Michael Duffy and James Carney, Time magazine

  • Evan Thomas, Newsweek

  • Andrea Mitchell, "Meet the Press," NBC

  • Chris Matthews, "Hardball," MSNBC

  • Tim Russert, Campbell Brown, NBC

  • Nicholas D. Kristof, David E. Sanger and Judith Miller, The New York Times

  • Greg Hitt and Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal

  • John Solomon, The Associated Press

  • Jeff Gannon, Talon News



http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/10/11/11391/524

Stu Cohen was acting Chairman of the National Intelligence Council when the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction was published and that's probably outside the scope of Fitz's current inquiry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/08/06/roves-20year-history-as_n_5235.html

On edit: Records subpoenaed include "the White House Iraq Group, a little-known internal task force established in August 2002 to create a strategy to publicize the threat posed by Saddam Hussein" so Cohen's name is probably on the list that Fitz has in his possession.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:19 PM
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11. Fleitz also shuttled between CIA and Bolton; probably Bolton will turn
out to be the other source for Novak - the one who could possibly fit the "no partisan gunslinger" moniker, cuz Turd Blossom carries 666 6-shooters
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:58 PM
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14. Yes, Foley helped get Fleitz assigned to Bolton's office. But,
I don't know if you could characterize Bolton as "no partisan gunslinger."
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:27 PM
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12. Here's a good reference
An excerpt of it was posted last night by someone here at DU (can't remember who now, or else I'd give proper credit). I can't access the whole thing (requires an account) but here is the part previously posted, with another excerpt at link:

SCENES FROM TWO PRESS CONFERENCES.

Double Trouble

by Ryan Lizza

EXCERPT...


After Fitzgerald leaves, I ask Samborn for a little help decoding the indictment. He agrees to reveal the identities of officials mentioned by specific title but not those left purposely vague. He exits the room and returns with a booklet that he keeps close to his vest. It appears to be a sort of teacher's version of the indictment with all the puzzles solved. Samborn seems to think that giving reporters information is some kind of betrayal of his profession, so he insists that I and other reporters guess the identities. He'll confirm or reject our guesses. We start with Undersecretary of State: "Grossman, right?" We get it on the first try. Next up: Libby's Principal Deputy. I suggest Mark Hannah. Nope. A chaotic back and forth eventually produces the name Eric Edelman. Finally: Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs. "Millerwise?" Wrong. "Catherine Martin!" shouts a reporter from the fringes of the scrum. Bingo.

Later, over at the White House, Scott McClellan reveals the first outlines of the Bushies' post-indictment strategy. The first step is to treat Libby like some kind of leper. Libby holds the highest title in the White House, assistant to the president, and was of course one of Bush's--not just Cheney's--most important aides. McClellan is quick to point out that Bush did not exactly wish Libby a fond farewell. "Scooter Libby submitted his letter of resignation earlier today," the spokesman explained. "It was delivered to White House Chief of Staff Andy Card. It was--his resignation was accepted. Andy Card informed the President. He--Scooter Libby left the White House a short time after his resignation." Harriet Miers got to march into the Oval Office Thursday morning and place her withdrawal letter on Bush's desk. Poor Libby had to go through Card.

In case the point was lost, McClellan responded this way to a question about when Libby last spoke to Cheney: "You can direct those questions to the Vice President's Office. The President did not see him today." The White House now wants us to believe that the president's and vice president's staffs are completely separate entities that just happen to share some office space. And McClellan pointedly noted, "White House staffers should not have any contact with Scooter Libby about any aspect of the investigation." Apparently, Libby will not be back for the staff Christmas party. "He has left the White House and I do not expect him to return," said McClellan.

McClellan also gave the first indication of how Fitzgerald's own investigation may actually help Bush and the Republicans prevent the scandal from spinning out of control. Fitzgerald expressed no interest in the origin of the phony documents from Niger, and he hinted ever so slightly that an indictment of Rove is unlikely. If that is the case, the White House may use Fitzgerald's reputation for integrity and thoroughness to halt any further inquiries. When asked about the possibility that the justifications for the war would become part of Libby's trial, McClellan pointed to Fitzgerald's remarks that his investigation has nothing to do with the debate over Iraq. When asked about the possibility of a congressional investigation, McClellan insisted, "I think that those issues have already been addressed." If the special prosecutor's investigation is basically over and Congress remains unwilling to look into the broader matters raised by the case, Fitzgerald may prove to be the White House's best friend.

But then again, maybe we haven't heard everything from Fitzgerald. One intriguing possibility is that he has accepted guilty pleas from other officials but has kept them under seal. I asked Samborn, Fitzgerald's famously close-lipped spokesman if anyone in the case has pleaded guilty. He thought for a second and then told me that there is no "public record" of any guilty pleas. Hmm.


Source:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w051024&s=lizza102905
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 07:06 PM
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15. Thanks! Eric Edelman.

I googled him and got this.

From February 2001 to June 2003, he was Principal Deputy Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs.

Thanks Again. :yourock:
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:39 PM
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17. Guilty Plea Suspect #1: Ari Fleischer
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 05:28 PM
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13. Take your pick
Lots of people here.

Wurmser came in later re page 5.

-Hoot
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