Limpball did make an interesting point...

[HardWorkingDem]

heard a clip from this idiot and he did make an interesting point - he asked since when did liberals care about the CIA. That usually the liberals hate the CIA.

Now, for a bit this sort of bothered me because in a way he was right. But then I got to thinking about it and realized that the only time the liberals disliked the CIA was when the CIA was doing shit that was undemocratic and that in this case you had the government trashing the CIA because the CIA was partly affiliated with doing the right thing.

Wonder if rightwingers will ever put this together.....

[yardwork]

1. How does Limbaugh know how I feel about the CIA?

That dog won't hunt.

[LunaC]

2. It's about NATIONAL SECURITY

that Liberals care about. The CIA just so happens to be a major player in the scenario.

[NoSheep]

5. I just clicked on the link in your sig line. It is as bad as I thought.

How could ANYONE in their right mind read this and not be absolutely convinced that their greatest fears are reality. :cry:

[madrchsod]

3. i have posted about this several times

that this old sds`r never thought i`d side with the cia...but now we have people who are destroying the people who keep us save from the bad guys.the cia are bad guys but the other guys are worse.

[Gman]

9. "Old SDS'r"

Wonder how many kids here even know what that is. Unfortunately, I was still in high school then. The HS I went to had mandatory ROTC the first two years (private school and wasn't my choice at the time). So I did get suspended for two days because I wore a black arm band with my ROTC uniform for the very first Vietnam Moratorium Day... but I digress.

Re, the CIA. You nailed it. The problem back then was that the government used the CIA and the FBI together to spy on American citizens, hence the "wall" between the two, and it's a distortion to blame that on Jamie Gorelick as that wall long pre-dated her. Now that the CIA actually does have honorable intentions, of course who wouldn't want to support the CIA. We all had damn good reason to dislike and be highly suspicious of the CIA back then, but that was a different time which Oxyboy conveniently leaves out.

Once again, politics makes strange bedfellows.

[madrchsod]

12. god that mandatory rotc !

i remember that crap..really kind of sad when you look back on it...

[Jacobin]

4. No, actually he didn't make a good point

In the 1960s and 70s they were out of control. Reforms were done and they were brought under control

We hated them when they were out of control, but they actually could have prevented IraqNam had they been listened to this time

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Ummmm, you need to see this.. not you in particular but some of

the people in this thread, including the first.

http://www.gnn.tv/videos/video.php?id=1

[elehhhhna]

14. The Kennedy & ML King assasinations made some people suspicious.

[central scrutinizer]

6. He's right

Given the CIA's sordid history of coups, human rights abuses, death squads, etc., it is difficult to care about them. However, it does appear that Plame's operation was actually doing something important. Pigboy is right, in my case at least, that I am using the CIA as a tool in a political fight. I need a lever to pry up the rock that this corrupt regime is hiding under and if the CIA can serve that purpose, then so be it. Of course, we can ask Pigboy just when the Right actually cared about "saving social security", "health care reform," "non-white people" or "the middle class" and we will get the same answer - when it is politically useful to appear to give a shit.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Going by shrub's mentality and excuses for doing what he is doing,

the U.S. should have been taken out for supporting terrorism long ago.

[gumby]

10. Limbaugh is a FASCIST PIG

If he ever approaches "an interesting point" it's because he is only using that point in service of his fascist propaganda.

He is only using this "point," in his pin-head, pimple-infested butt way, to call liberals hypocrites and to say they don't really care about National Security.

Limbaugh is a blight on every living thing.

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. I think it's becoming common knowledge that there are two factions

within the CIA: The old school country destabilizers and the reformed CIA. Doesn't take much to figure out which party supports which faction.

[sam sarrha]

13. well after the Iran Contra and the resulting Crack Coke Plague .that Poppy

started as Vice President in charge of Reagan... can you blame them..??

[Toucano]

15. Who said liberals care about the CIA?

I'm sure as hell not defending the CIA.

Limbaugh is trying to trick you again by changing the subject.

It isn't the CIA that's being defended, it's JOE WILSON and VALERIE PLAME WILSON, two individual Americans who did the right thing in the interest of their country and faced retribution and attacks for speaking the truth.

The fact that there's a special law protecting Valerie Wilson just makes it that much easier to blow their house down.

[Junkdrawer]

16. There are two CIAs --- and they are at war with each other…

There is the CIA built by John Foster Dulles – the one that overthrew governments, committed assassinations, and Lord knows what else during the 50s, 60s, and early 70s.

Then there’s the CIA reformed by Frank Church and various ‘Watergate Babies’ in the late 70s. The CIA whose sole mission is to provide accurate information for decision makers. By law, this should be the only CIA.

Unfortunately, we have seen that when the Senate Church Committee ‘reformed’ the CIA, all they did was to force the Dulles CIA further underground and into blacker budgets.

A lot we have seen in the past two years (the outing of Abu Ghraib, Plame, Sy Herch’s articles) tells me these two CIAs are at war.

[Terran]

17. He's absolutely right, but

it makes absolutely no difference. How anyone "feels" about the CIA has no bearig on how this will all play out. Just as no amount of spin from the WH will alter the course of events now. This is the law, baby, and it runs itself when in the hands of honest people like Fitzgerald.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. John F Kennedy didn't like the CIA...

And the CIA didn't like him.

[HardWorkingDem]

19. My, my.....the point is...

that liberals only dislike the CIA when it is doing WRONG, but that idiots like Limpball are saying, "Hey, isn't it odd that liberals NOW like the CIA, when use to always HATE it!?!?"

Go back and read the post - it is more about the vapid thinking of conservatives like Limpball not being able to tell the difference between disliking an organization when it does bad versus liking it when it is doing good. His thinking is that if you dislike something, you dislike it all the time.

Geez.....