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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:26 PM
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limbaugh: Fitzgerald Didn't Match Media Alternative Reality


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Fitzgerald Didn't Match Media Alternative Reality



RUSH: Let's move on to the Libby indictment. I've got some audio sound bites here, and some comments to make about them. Yeah. Let's go to the sound bites first, and we'll do the comments after the break. This, to me, is the key question and answer of the Fitzgerald press conference last Friday. The ABC reporter, Terry Moran, said, "Many Americans are opposed to war. Critics of your administration have looked to your investigation and hoped they might see this indictment as a vindication of their argument that the administration took the country to war on false premises. Does this indictment do that?"

FITZGERALD: This indictment is not about the war. This indictment's not about the propriety of the war, and people who believe furthering the war effort, people who oppose it, people who are -- have mixed feelings about it should not look to this indictment for any resolution of how they feel or any vindication of how they feel. The indictment will not seek to prove that the war was justified or unjustified. This is stripped of that debate, and this is focused on a narrow transaction and I think anyone who's concerned about the war and has feelings for or against shouldn't look to this process for any answers or resolution of that.

RUSH: Now, let me tell you what that means. That means that everything the press -- led by Chris Matthews, my old buddy -- has been trying to "connect the dots" on for the past three weeks, intently and the last five years (well, I guess three years generally), has just been nuked. Whatever this indictment is about, it has nothing to do with the war. So little means that every person in the media who said that that's exactly what this is about, has just been blown to smithereens, has just been nuked. They created an alternative reality. That reality was that this indictment was going to lead to a trial on this administration's lying to the public to get us into war. Where does that idea come from? The idea comes from the fringe left, and has been picked up by the mainstream media and the Democratic Party, and it goes back to what I've been saying all along. They are unhinged because they had their government taken away from them, starting in '94. They failed to get it back since. They thought they were going to win it with Gore in 2000. Bush won. They think the election was stolen. They think 2004 the election was rigged. They do not look to themselves to find out why they might be losing. They come up with conspiracy theories or crackpot ideas that blame the voters for being too stupid to see how brilliant Democrats and liberals are, but they don't look at themselves, and as a result of their being unhinged they've concocted all these conspiracy theories, and they have created such an alternative universe, such an alternative reality that the news today is not what really happened!


The news that you see on television every day including today is what the Democrats hope to happen, and what the press hopes to happen, and this business of trying to take out Sam Alito today is what they hope the news will be at the conclusion of the hearings, and that's what they're trying to do, try to take him out -- and I welcome it. Bring it on. As I say, "We want the debate," but the media has -- there's really no difference between the Democratic Party and the media today. Last time I was in Washington I was driven by a couple buildings. My driver there always sees the need to give me a tour. "Hey, I know what this place is, Ralph. You don't need to show me around." So he drove me by the NEA and he said, "Branch office of the Democratic Party." Then we drove by ABC. I said, "There's the branch office of the Democratic Party, and if we went way out of the way we'd get to NBC and see a real branch office of the Democratic Party." He didn't bother showing me CBS, but they're all branch offices of the Democratic Party -- and the point is that really it's almost pathological. Chris Matthews was making a bet on his TV show Wednesday or Thursday night last week that this indictment was going to be about the prosecution of the war and how Bush had lied to get us into it, and that's been his theme for the last two weeks on that show of his, Hardboiled -- and it's gotten to the point he believes it! Even now, after the fact, he still thinks that's where this is going to lead. They all do. Fitzgerald just said: Don't go there. This indictment has nothing to do with that, zilch, near, nada. We have Joe Wilson to play for you, after the break, but an interesting editorial today in the New York Sun making the case, advocating a presidential pardon for Lewis Libby.


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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:30 PM
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1. Fitzgerald wasn't asked to look into the war issue.
He focussed on his job like a laser, to find out who leaked the Plame info.

Motivations are not his job. Investigating crimes and prosecuting the criminals is.

But now that he has, and it looks very bad, it follows that Congress itself should investigate the whole story, regardless of actual felonies committed.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:32 PM
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2. As usual, Pigboy gets it totally wrong
That's his spin now, that indicting these guys for beating up on Wilson would turn into an entire investigation of the basis for war. This was never that investigation and no one thought it was. We said, very clearly, this is about a bunch of fascist thugs who will destroy anyone who even disagrees with them, much less has the goods on them.

Bush et al clearly lied. The problem is, it's probably not illegal. They have the ethics of wolverines, but it was only when they started outing CIA agents to get even with Wilson that they crossed the line from scummy sleazebag pukes to felons.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:47 PM
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3. technically I am pretty sure that
aggression against another nation is illegal by a UN charter which we signed in 1945.

"The purposes of the United Nations are. . . To maintain international peace and sovereignty, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removals of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace. . . ."

all member states "shall act in accordance with the following Principles: "

"...All members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
"All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations...."

Not to mention that even if it were justifiable, Congress is supposed to declare war, not the President.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:51 PM
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4. Self-delete.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 05:51 PM by louis-t
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:38 PM
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5. The ignorance of this hardcore narcotics addict is astounding. n/t
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