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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:57 PM
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Newsweek: Libby did it "to protect the country from harm"


Cheney's Cheney
Right hand: He was on a mission to protect the country from harm—and detonate critics in his path. Scooter Libby's ways and means.

By Evan Thomas
Newsweek

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9866494/site/newsweek/

Nov. 7, 2005 issue - The vice president and his chief aide often shared bits of secret information, so perhaps it was unremarkable that on June 12, 2003 (according to the indictment handed up last week), Dick Cheney told Scooter Libby that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the Counterproliferation Division in the CIA's secret Directorate of Operations, also known as the Clandestine Service. Libby had been agitating to find out more about Wilson, an ex-diplomat who had been telling reporters that the administration's main case for going to war in Iraq—that Saddam had WMDs—was bogus.

It is a good bet that Cheney and Libby did not think they were conspiring to trash a political foe by ruining his wife's career as an undercover agent. Given their view of themselves and their roles in the world, especially post 9/11, it is much more likely they believed that they were somehow safeguarding the republic. It's also a good bet that they did not foresee the disastrous consequences of their conversation, as well as a series of others between Libby and government officials and several reporters in the summer of 2003. Libby, as well as his boss, operated, at least in their own minds, on a higher plane.

"Bureaucrat" is the last word I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby would ever use to describe himself. The vice president's former chief of staff and national-security adviser was no risk-averse, paper-pushing time-server. He identified with an earlier generation of brilliant amateurs who came out of private law firms and investment banks to serve their country in its hours of peril, who operated discreetly, even secretly, and cut through red tape. One sensed, listening to him talk about duty and honor in the tense months after 9/11, that his models ran deeper, to Roman centurions and Plato's Men of Silver, idealized guardians who cared nothing for celebrity or money but lived only to serve. His office in the Old Executive Office Building, Libby proudly noted, was once occupied by both Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt when they served as assistant secretaries of the Navy. Portraits of the Roosevelts adorn his walls.

His greatest hero is Winston Churchill. Talking to a NEWSWEEK reporter two months after 9/11, Libby pointed to the portrait of Winston Churchill directly behind his desk. When the hijacked planes hit the Twin Towers, Libby said, the portrait shook. He grinned to show that he was kidding—but he wasn't, really. He felt an enormous spiritual kinship, he said, with the small band of men around Churchill who warned in the 1930s about the gathering Nazi storm, who were ignored and shunned—but then vindicated at England's finest hour. Libby compared Vice President Cheney to Churchill—a born leader who was instantly aware, in the moment of crisis, that destiny had called him to defend his country.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:59 PM
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1. Give Me A Break
The man is a crook

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:00 PM
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4. "It's a good bet" that the man is a crook.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:35 PM
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28. LOL -- those were almost my exact words when I finished reading this
But I said "Give me a *ucking break." Cheney as Churchill? I don't think so.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:00 PM
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2. Reid said it best: Libby put politics ahead of America's national security
He was protecting bu$h/chicanery's a$$.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:00 PM
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3. Blah, bleh blah, blah
Obviously, liberal bias. We know that Cheney, Rove and Libby are really heroes of the reich, er, country.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:02 PM
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5. So Rove is using the pen name Evan Thomas now, eh?
Really, by the time the corporate whore media is done, Libby will be nominated for saint.

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afdip Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:02 PM
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6. too bad he never heard about hubris . . . .
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:04 PM
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7. Which country did Churchill wage war against that wasn't associated
with the Nazis? Oh yeah, he didn't.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:07 PM
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8. Oh, god. What a ridiculous piece of sycophantic fluff. I hope Mr. Thomas
is getting paid more than Armstrong Williams.
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joanski0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:08 PM
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9. And who's supposed to believe this bullshit.
Not me.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:15 PM
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10. Oh, STOP IT!!!! What a load of BS asserted by one of the most,...
,...calculative and deceitful ever corporate cabals.

Will people actually buy this latest propaganda crap? :grr:
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:16 PM
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11. Ok, Halliburton, et. al. has earned Billions off of this war...So who
was he protecting again????
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:18 PM
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12. Cheney & Cheney's Cheney, safeguarding America with lies.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 06:19 PM by mia
"Given their view of themselves and their roles in the world, especially post 9/11, it is much more likely they believed that they were somehow safeguarding the republic."
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:21 PM
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13. Um, is this satire?
I thought "ignorance was no excuse" when it comes to committing a felony.

Motive is interesting, but perhaps there are lawyers here who can clear this up: Even supposing they broke the law with good intentions or by accident, are they not still guilty of a crime???
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:23 PM
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14. newsWEAK?!?!?! n/t
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:29 PM
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15. YOU (Libby) are No Winston Churchill! And neither is your freak
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 06:29 PM by Maraya1969
friend Cheney.

"Libby compared Vice President Cheney to Churchill..."


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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:30 PM
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16. Does Newsweak come wit a barf bag now!
Can you believe someone would be silly enough to write that horseshit?
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oregonindy Donating Member (790 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:32 PM
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17. If that was the case he should have thrown himself off a bridge
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:49 PM
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21. ROTFLMAO!!!
:rofl:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:36 PM
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18. And the story doesn't go on about the dangers of megalomania? nt.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:38 PM
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19. Write Evan Thomas
WebEditors@newsweek.com

and comment on his really, really awful propaganda piece.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:46 PM
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20. I am astounded that Newsweek took that attitude; of all the news
magazines, Newsweek is usually at least readable. Not anymore! That rag has gotten the last dime from me.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:05 PM
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32. Newsweek gets its copy right off of Cheney's desk. I've suspected this
since way back when I was interested in the Chandra Levy story. According to a schedule of his activities on the day that Levy disappeared (May 1, 2001), that Gary Condit released to the press, Condit had a meeting with Cheney immediately after the presumed time of her disappearance in the mid-morning. Condit met with Cheney around noon, and then there is a 3 hour black hole in Condit's schedule. I kept waiting for somebody to ask Cheney how long the meeting was, who was there, what it was about, or even just to verify that it took place. I waited and waited for this information. Nobody asked Cheney these questions. Nobody. Not the FBI, not the DC policy, not the press. Then, almost three months after her disappearance (and just after the DC police did that elaborate police cadet parade in Rock Creek Park, based on a changed timeline for Levy's disappearance, from mid-morning to early afternoon, making the meeting with Cheney even more important, as Condit's only alibi during the very hours of her disappearance), there appeared in Newsweek a story obviously planted by Cheney, giving his version of that meeting--short, only 20 minutes or so, aides present, nothing special--with aides telling Newsweek that no one had questioned Cheney or his staff about it, in the intervening months.

Levy disappeared May 1. Two days later, on May 3, Condit, a Democrat, was one of only 10 Democrats who voted for the Bush Cartel's first tax cut for the rich, in a very close vote.

As I said, I've been suspicious of Newsweek ever since, for permitting Cheney to plant this information, with no questions about the amount of time he'd been given to come up with this story, no inquiries to the FBI/DC police about why this wasn't investigated--not even to verify the meeting (if that is true), no "connecting the dots" to the just recently changed timeline for her disappearance, nothing, nada. Pure planted material.

And kudos, also, to the entire war profiteering corporate news monopoly establishment for not asking a single solitary question of Cheney or his staff, about this great big hole in Condit's schedule, and who he was meeting with at the beginning of it.

I figured they'd all gone over to the Dark Side, then. And they've done nothing to disabuse me of that notion since.

--------------

Yeah, remember that, the Chandra Levy disappearance scandal? Big distraction for the populace in the months just before 9/11. Focus on the sex scandal aspects. No questions about the political scandal aspects, which were glaring--among them, Condit sitting on the House Intelligence Committee during a scorched earth investigation of the FBI--same FBI whose headquarters were denying FBI Agent Rowley's access to Zacharias Moussoui's computer, and were forcing John O'Neil to resign (the agent who was trying to track Al Q money in Yemen). The FBI took two months, in possession of Levy's computer, to figure out what she was looking at in MapQuest and to change her disappearance time-line. (Her body, or rather her skeleton, was found in spring 2002, not far from one of the trails where the high visibility, big-photo-op police cadet search of the park had taken place (in late summer '01, just before 9/11.)

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:18 PM
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37. 24/7 coverage of a democrat and NO Coverage of dead intern in repub
Scarborough's office

I found out about the dead intern from forums at the American Prospect on line, NOT on the M$M
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:40 AM
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47. (Only Cheney is nuts enough to compare Cheney to Churchill.
We should start a Bingo game thread, using the planted stories we find that exonerate CHENEY -- he must know he is a target. If we find a lot of them, we can know for sure!)
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froshty1960 Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:14 AM
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50. Newsweek
Here's what I suspect - Either the White House or Cheney's office fed the "destroying the Koran" story to Newsweek intentionally so that they would be disgraced before the nation and forced to retract the story. After all, the magazine said the report came from an un-named source in the administration.

Now Newsweek is too afraid to report the truth and is happily printing the neocon spins.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:28 AM
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53. Yup. The entire nation was sniffing crotch and listening to shark stories
while the Bush Crime Syndicate was planning 9-11 and the subsequent overthrow of America. The media has been entirely complicit in all of this.

I even remember angrily excoriating Mother Jones News to get their damned heads out of Levy's (and others) crotch and start paying attention to what was going on.
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:06 PM
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39. man, and I just renewed my subscription...
this sucks.
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:02 AM
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51. they have lots of different writers....
George F Will writes in there just about every week and he's conservative as hell. On the other hand, you've got Johnathan Alter... Nothing wrong with different viewpoints, though some NW articles are certainly better than others...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:24 AM
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52. Newsweek has been a Bush Crime Syndicate propaganda tool since the
Reagan years. If you subscribe, cancel and make sure they know why.

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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:05 PM
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22. Evan Thomas, Stenographer in Chief is writing an ode to this WH.
"The vice president's former chief of staff and national-security adviser was no risk-averse, paper-pushing time-server. He identified with an earlier generation of brilliant amateurs who came out of private law firms and investment banks to serve their country in its hours of peril, who operated discreetly, even secretly, and cut through red tape."

The hero-worship Evan Thomas is using describes many a hubris inflated cabinet level idiot hired by Presidents. This would be McNamara who came from GM and got into the Viet Nam debacle with no brain and both feet. Perhaps this refers to William Casey. Or perhaps that General Haig guy who claimed he was in charge after Reagan was shot bypassing the constitutional succesion. So many more, so little time!

:eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:16 PM
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23. Dear Evan,
subject: 'Lil Scooter's magnanimous choice

P.U.K.E,.

Lil Scooter fell on the sword to protect Snarly Mc Sneer and the Puppet Prince.

eom
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europegirl4jfk Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:28 PM
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24. I can believe that this description is accurate
Please don't shoot me! I mean, this description fits for a lot of the people who surrounded Hitler. They are driven by ideology, false patriotism and false loyalty and don't realize that in the end they are the fascists and the evildoers. I don't have pity for him at all.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:30 PM
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25. Oh yes
Outing a CIA agent is protecting the country. :eyes: They're all backwards and fucked up.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:32 PM
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26. what utter drivel. good god almighty.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:32 PM
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27. I used to think that Evan Thomas was better than that
I guess I was wrong. His piece is sill tripe.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:37 PM
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29. I'm sorry but that sh* ain't gonna fly with me or any other thinking
person.

It is a good bet that Cheney and Libby did not think they were conspiring to trash a political foe by ruining his wife's career as an undercover agent. Given their view of themselves and their roles in the world, especially post 9/11, it is much more likely they believed that they were somehow safeguarding the republic.


Evan Thomas and Newsweek can shove it where the sun don't shine. If I still subscribed to Newsweek I would cancel my subscription based on that outrageous statement.

:grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:42 PM
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30. I can't find an email addy
for evan thomas but here's the one for newsweak in general.

Letters@newsweek.com

I'm going to politely tell him to stop writing crap and give the American public credit for more intelligence than his full holes article suggests he does.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:56 PM
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31. it is much more likely they believed that they were somehow safeguarding..
the republic."

Huh? Outing a CIA agent who's job it was to find WMD is safeguarding us?

HAHAHAHAHA! Evan Thomas is a joke! Does he think we are stupid or something?
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:25 AM
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44. This is the RW talking point du jour, and it's patently absurd
Not only did they shut the agent down, but they compromised her entire operation, which took decades to set up. And all this in a time of WAR!!

It's just unbelievable that the media can repeat this utter horseshit with a straight face. It's just insulting.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:15 PM
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33. If they turn this around and get away with this BS
then nothing is going to stop them!

Oh yeah, it is a VERY good bet that Cheney (R-traitor) and Libby (R-traitor) were out to intimidate and destroy both Wilson and Plame. You don't have to physically kill someone to make them dead in the CIA - just leak who they are to our ENEMIES and see what happens...

Traitors to the Republic!
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:21 PM
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34. Dear Mr. Thomas,
Please put down the kool-aid and step away from the keyboard slowly.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:34 PM
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35. Oh, what utter bullshit! Newsweek: House Organ.
Goebbels would've been proud.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:06 PM
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36. Crock of shit! eom.
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:54 PM
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38. How to deal with the liars
Frameshop defines harm then goes on to say....

http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/frameshop/2005/10/frameshop_harm_.html


"Under what circumstances might you commit a crime that carried a penalty of 30 years in jail?"

Here's the answer: You might commit a crime that carried a penalty of 30 years in jail in order to avoid being prosecuted for a crime that carried an even greater penalty.


Therefore, take this into consideration over the next few days:

1. Should we encounter anyone celebrating I. Lewis Libby in their reaction to the indictment, or saying anything to the effect that "there was no crime" or that they are pleased at the outcome of the indictment--we can be certain that person is engaged in active deception of the American people.

2. By contrast, should we encounter anyone talking about the indictment as the first step in dealing with the harm committed against the American people--we can be certain that person is attempting to restore trust in government in the American people, attempting to restore honesty.


Either we are talking about the harm caused to the American people and how to remedy it, or we are aiding the obstruction."
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:08 PM
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40. Yeah, and Robespierre Thought He Was Doing France a Favor, Too
don't need to say much more than that, do I?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:19 PM
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41. Holy jumping cat shit! I now know that Lewis Libby is crazy!
I thought this screwball had a brain.

"Libby compared Vice President Cheney to Churchill—a born leader who was instantly aware, in the moment of crisis, that destiny had called him to defend his country."

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europegirl4jfk Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:12 AM
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43. Brainwashed! n/t
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:11 AM
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49. Cheney - when his country actually DID call him -ala Vietnam_
somehow found OTHER things to do besides serve his country

POS
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:25 PM
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42. Phhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiifffff :::Dr Evil voice::: Riiiiiiiiiiight
:crazy:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:28 AM
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45. Oh my God we indicted Winston Churchill. I feel so...dirty...
Perhaps it's not too late. We can save Tiny Tim if only we listen to the ghost of Christmas-Yet-To-Come...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:30 AM
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46. I wonder how much you can buy this guy for?
"Libby compared Vice President Cheney to Churchill—a born leader who was instantly aware, in the moment of crisis, that destiny had called him to defend his country."

I'm so happy we have Dick Cheney to protect us from the CIA!

lol
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:03 AM
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48. This makes me sooo angry
Because there is a portion of this country who will, because of propaganda like this, believe this to be the case.
Have these propagandists not learned their lessons from Judy Miller?
Saying that Libby obstructed justice to protect the country from harm is like saying that we keep prisoners locked up at Guantanamo to protect THEM from society.
What a shill. This shouldn't be allowed.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:27 AM
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54. Cheney has repeatedly put Americans in harms way
unnecessarily, from doing nothing to stop 9/11, to being involved in Plamegate, and the Iraq War itself.



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