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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:18 PM
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Reactions to leak vary among ex-CIA insiders

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/Oct/20051031News013.asp

Reactions to leak vary among ex-CIA insiders
San Francisco Chronicle

When Larry Johnson heard from a friend that Valerie Plame, an old classmate from his CIA training class, had been identified in a newspaper column as a CIA operative, his first reaction was shock.

"I was furious," said Johnson, who left the CIA in 1989 for the U.S. Department of State’s Office of Counterterrorism and now runs a business consulting firm. His growing sense that Plame was outed for the political benefit of the White House has only heightened his sense of outrage. "People ought to be fired, lose their jobs and face prosecution," he said.

Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former case officer in the CIA’s clandestine service who is now a resident fellow with the American Enterprise Institute, had a different reaction. "I don’t think the relay of just that name, given the circumstances, is such a serious thing," he said. "That kind of thing has happened innumerable times with journalists. This has really been blown egregiously out of proportion."

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"If" the leaker "knew for a fact that this person was undercover and was operating undercover, he should have his legs broken," said Andre LeGallo, a former senior intelligence officer with the CIA directorate of operations and president of the San Francisco Bay Area chapter of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.


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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:21 PM
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1. Happens all the time? Name the last time a covert CIA agent has
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 03:21 PM by merwin
gotten outed by a national news organization directly from the vice president's office?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:23 PM
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2. Here's why. American Enterprise Institute, from Wikipedia:
American Enterprise Institute
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research is a think tank founded in 1943 whose stated mission is to support the "foundations of freedom - limited government, private enterprise, vital cultural and political institutions, and a strong foreign policy and national defense." The Institute is an independent, nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals.

Like most think tanks that maintain non-profit status under the federal tax code, AEI is strictly nonpartisan and takes no institutional positions on pending legislation or other policy questions.

It has emerged as one of the leading architects of the Bush administration's public policy; more than two dozen AEI alumni have served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government's many panels and commissions. AEI, along with The Heritage Foundation, is sometimes seen as a conservative counterpart to the center-left Brookings Institution. In 1998, AEI and Brookings established the AEI-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:20 PM
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11. Ding Ding Ding....
We have a winner!
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XNGH Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:09 PM
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16. A winner
Bingo
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:25 AM
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26. Hi XNGH!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:34 PM
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12. AEI=neocons and PNACers club. Some are stealth. n/t
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:31 PM
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3. Hmmm....
"If" the leaker "knew for a fact that this person was undercover and was operating undercover, he should have his legs broken," said Andre LeGallo, a former senior intelligence officer with the CIA directorate of operations and president of the San Francisco Bay Area chapter of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers"

Well, in Libby's case, he pretty much got his wish. Or else he was busy last week.
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:38 PM
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5. Forgetting something
They also named Brewster Jennings. That gave away the front business and also showed our enemies how front businesses are set up by our CIA. I really think that naming Brewster Jennings was probably more harmful than naming Plane in the long run.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:02 PM
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15. Oh, I Agree --
That was just a snide remark about Scooter Libby appearing in public on crutches about the same time a CIA agent was talking about leakers getting their legs broken.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:36 PM
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4. and it just so happens that the ex agent who blows it off is with the AEI
What a shocking coincidence.

Party before country. These people are scum.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:04 PM
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10. And Michael Ledeen, accused Niger docs forger, is with AEI
Small town. AEI, along with PNAC, is smeared all over this case.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:31 AM
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27. They're all over the AIPAC scandal as well
Those PNAClowns are real pieces o' work.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:39 PM
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6. let me guess
reactions based on whether or not they are republican whores
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:45 PM
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7.  he should have his legs broken
Novak fell in the shower. Rove "supposedly" had kidney stones. Libby is on crutches.


:rofl:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:47 PM
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8. where does Jeff Gannon fit in to all this :-)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:02 PM
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9. american enterprise institue says everything about gerecht
a frickn' neocon


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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:37 PM
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13. Ooo! Scooter has resigned. That means no secret service protection,
maybe the CIA won't have to wait long to show their displeasure.

I don't think I'd sell Scooter a 15 cent life insurance policy. He faces 30 years. Cheney needs him silenced, Rove needs him silenced, Bolton needs him silenced, CIA wants to make an example of him.

I'd bet in this wonderful new Christian environment he never sees old age.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:42 PM
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14. So the Gerecht/AEI position is that blowing Brewster Jennings was okay
Can't we jump all over this and call the neo-cons "weak on national security"? And make it stick?
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:10 PM
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17. "This has really been blown egregiously out of proportion."
So says Reuel Marc Gerecht. Reuel Marc Gerecht is a resident fellow with the American Enterprise Institute. He is also the director of the Project for the New American Century's Middle East Initiative and a former Middle East specialist at the CIA.

Can you say "vested interest?" Sure, I knew you could...

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:22 PM
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18. Reactions to The Third Reich vary also.
I am certain that you can find some ignorant racist to say that Hitler was just misunderstood. However I do not think we should give equal credence to both sides of the debate as to what Hitler was.

I am not amazed that you can find a neocon apologist for most anything they do, including betraying our own agents in a time of war. What is really disconcerting is the sorry ass state of American Journalism which is so corrupt/incompetent as to not be able to make a logical judgment as to which side has the weight of truth on it.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:26 PM
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19. You know before you print something like that...
I would think journalistic integrety would require that you ask and check up on a few names of others that have been so outed if indeed the do exist. Seems like the kind of thing you should check up on before giving someone like that a platform.
Oh wait did I say Journalistic integredy and call for anything other than a complete whitewashing of this... Sorry my bad... I'm a loyal american, honest, please don't disapear me.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:32 PM
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20. Who wrote this piece?
I don't see their name anywhere, am I missing something?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:07 AM
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24. Matthew B. Stannard, SF Chronicle staff writer.
When the Missouri paper reprinted it, his name was left off the piece. They do that. I don't know why.

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Ex-CIA agents differ on import of outing Plame
Matthew B. Stannard, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, October 28, 2005
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/28/MNGUJFFFSJ1.DTL

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:34 PM
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21. "given the circumstances" is what he said
He thinks it's just fine to out an agent whose work and whose husband might undermine the case for war against Iraq.

Yes, the neocons are weak on national security.
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conscious Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:17 PM
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22. Another Basis for Indictment & Impeachment: Saddam and 9/11
Full article, with links, here: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com

Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment of Scooter Libby makes for entertaining headlines, but doesn't really move the ball forward in terms of punishing -- or even slowing down -- the Neocons who have dragged our country down the tubes and are pushing the planet to the brink of World War III. Fitzgerald didn't even get into the forged Niger uranium memorandum, apparently prepared at the request of the Neocons.

Even the Downing Street Memo and other evidence that high government officials "fixed the facts" in order to rationalize the war in Iraq is only a third of the story. Just as important is their knowing misrepresentation to congress and the American people that Saddam was behind September 11th. The Neocon policy of torture is the third important issue, and is covered here.

The Lies About 9/11 and Saddam

First of all, it is obvious that the attempt to tie Saddam to 9/11 was a knowing lie. Here a few relevant quotes for your consideration:

"We simply did not find any evidence of extensive links with al Qaeda, or for that matter any real links at all. Cheney's speech is evidence free. It is an assertion, but doesn't say why we should believe this now" –– David Kay, Weapons Inspector

"I can't make that claim" –– George W. Bush, when asked if there was a link between Saddam and 9-11.

"I have seen no smoking gun between Saddam and al Qaeda" –– Colin Powell

"The most intensive searching over the last two years has produced no solid evidence of a cooperative relationship between Saddam's government and al Qaeda" –– Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

I think some of the Administration’s claims of direct links between Zarqawi and al Qaeda as we knew it, frankly, are not true" –– Former Bush Counter-Terrorism expert Roger Cressey

"No credible evidence" has emerged connecting Iraq with 9-11 –– Conclusion of the Bush appointed 9-11 commission.

"I'm not sure even now that I would say Iraq had something to do with it," –– Paul Wolfowitz discussing the 9-11 attacks.

See, for example, this BBC article

In short, Saddam was framed for 9/11.

Why Does This Matter?

The 9-11 lies are just as important a grounds for criminal indictment or impeachment as the weapons of mass destruction lies. In fact, I would argue that they are much more important.

Why? Because the trauma of September 11, 2001 is what galvanized most Americans to rally around the Bush administration, to close ranks in time of peril, and to give Bush his "mandate" (putting questions of election fraud to the side). Ever since that terrible day, the American people have been terrified, and thus irrational, based upon the trauma of the vicious attacks. Since most Americans believe that the bad guys are "out there" and are about to get us unless we have a strong leader to fight them, they will not and CANNOT make any logical decisions about any other foreign or domestic issues until "we get the bad guys".

Imagine, if you would, that you were a citizen in Germany right after the Reichstag fire (i.e. the burning down of the German parliament building by Hitler's men) had occurred. Do you believe that you would have any success working on poverty, health care, unemployment, war or labor issues? How about a rational national security policy? I believe not, not without first exposing that the Reichstag fire - the single thing which allowed the German parliament and other institutions to hand Hitler total power - was exposed.

Can They Really Be Impeached for 9/11 Lies?

What is the basis for impeachment based on false statements about 9/11? Impeachment would be for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors under Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution. A good legal background concerning impeachment, written by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, may be viewed here

Specific articles of impeachment related to related to Iraq and the "war on terror"
may be found here. Nothing is needed to add the administration's lies about 9/11 into the mix, although Section 2) could be amended to state: "Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war, including false statements concerning Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein's involvement in 9/11".

But Can They Be Indicted?

Top officials engaged in a criminal conspiracy to deceive the American people into believing that Saddam Hussein was behind or sponsored 9/11.

A criminal conspiracy to lie a country into war is a basis for indictments, and the high and mighty are not above the law.sis for indictments, and the high and mighty are not above the law.
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:24 PM
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23. As soon as I read "American Enterprise Institute", I knew I could dismiss
his opinion altogether.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:34 AM
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25. we may never know if any of Plame's associates were killed or placed in
danger as a result of the leak. we may never know if any of her hard work on WMDs was compromised. we may never know if the leak caused any damage other than her losing her job.

the laws were written to protect the security of the entire nation.

that's the point.

he broke the law for political purposes, and there was a conspiracy involved.

bushco has no right to disregard the security of our nation for their own poitical purposes... in this case, for the purposes of specifically lying the nation into a war planned years in advance by madmen.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:37 AM
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28. There are divisions
within every bureaucracy. One of the biggest divides in the Agency is between those who want to rely on embassy-based intelligence, and those who prefer the NOC operations. The NOC programs are expensive and do not fall under the "easy to control" goals of the Bush administration.
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