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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:39 AM
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How can the VICE PRESIDENT of our USA lobby FOR TORTURE?
GOD HELP US....The balls of this EVIL MAN. The very fact that the VICE president is going to congress to lobby for a CIA exemption to ALLOW THEM TO TORTURE. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE?????? WHO'S FUCKING COUNTRY IS THIS? WHO ARE THESE FUCKERS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:42 AM
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1. well you sort of answered your own question.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:43 AM
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2. We've come a very long way to end up in the ditch.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:44 AM
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3. If he gets his way
We should get a front row seat when he gets his turn at Gitmo. Slimy bastard.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:49 AM
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4. Where is the outrage? :-( nt.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:50 AM
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5. I wanna know why
his party is not freaking about this. Yes, most of them voted against it but I have not heard about too many of them hitting the TV shows and making some real noise about it. McCain seems to think it is OK if the VP has his own opinion (WHAT?) but disagrees.

I don't know, I kind of expect a little yelling over something like this. Guess not, oh well :shrug:.

It is going to be real interesting to see how many and who get their arms twisted by this.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:53 AM
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6. To me, this issue trumps it all
I grew up watching WWII movies. Americans are the good guys. We don't torture and we win anyway.

I can handle the war. I can handle revenge, even. But seeing my country advocate torture..

WHAT DO WE TELL OUR CHILDREN?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:57 AM
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14. Americans WERE the good guys. What WILL we tell the children?
It enrages me but also saddens me that this point ALONE doesn't have people in the streets. What on God's green earth will it take?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:55 AM
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7. I think it's on purpose
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 09:00 AM by Walt Starr
They're trying to give cover to Republican Congressmen and Senators.

Look! The Republicans are FIGHTING that EVIL CHENEY!

He'll resign next year before the elections and it'll prove to the brainwashed (as opposed to unwashed) masses that the Republicans really are compassionate conservatives.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:59 AM
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8. How? By flapping their lips and making sounds
"WHO ARE THESE FUCKERS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY?"

Very wealthy people, who will always want more.

"WHO'S FUCKING COUNTRY IS THIS?"

Their country. Always has been.

"WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE??????"

Power.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:42 AM
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11. Amen Amigo....
War means protecting the elite. Economics means protecting the elite. Government means protecting the elite. Laws made by the elites to protect their interest and enslave the little guy. Capitalism out of control is great...so I smile.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:01 AM
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9. immediate disqualification from office
and proceedings for war crimes
(with no insanity plea)
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:02 AM
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10. A criminal corporate cabal is running the Nation.
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 09:03 AM by tabasco
They have no resepct for American values or human rights. They will do whatever necessary to increase their power and wealth. The only good news is that history has shown these regimes to be self-destructive. They will create an economic and social meltdown which will end their grip on power. But they will have robbed us of trillions of dollars. The only just punishment for these traitors is the same meted out against other tyrants.

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:45 AM
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12. Nobody expected an American Inquisition.
We all know the scenes. We even know the lines by heart. They are embedded in our collective consciousness.

Captain Renault in Casablanca telling Victor Lazlo in the presence of Nazi Major Strasser about the "death" of Señor Ugarte - "I'm making out the report right now. We haven't decided whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape."

Darth Vader in Star Wars telling Princess Leia "The time has come, Princess, for us to discuss the location of your rebel base" as an ominous torture droid with syringes and other menacing attachments hovers in her detention cell on the Death Star.

Nazi Major Toht in Raiders of the Lost Ark saying "Fraulein Ravenwood. Let me show you what I am used to." as he threatens her with a red hot poker to learn of the location of the headpiece to the staff of Ra.

Torture is what we expect from Nazis, imperial storm troopers, and other villains in black hats.

We certainly didn't expect it from our own American democracy.

Yet President Bush is now promising to veto any legislation containing Senator John McCain's recent anti-torture legislation which was passed 90-9 by the United States Senate. Vice President Cheney is also actively campaigning against this anti-torture legislation by pressuring Congressmen to vote against it.

Senator McCain as a downed U.S. Naval aviator and prisoner of war in Vietnam was repeatedly tortured by the North Vietnamese and has clear moral convictions on this subject borne of his own personal pain and that of his fellow prisoners. Lieutenant Bush and Mr. Cheney meanwhile avoided both Commander McCain's war and his pain through the National Guard and multiple college deferrments.

We have already seen the atrocities at Abu Ghaarab on the evening news and heard of others at Guantanamo Bay. We have seen the publishing by Cambridge University Press of "The Torture Papers" by Greenberg and Dratel, a 1248 page collection of actual source documents from the U.S. government detailing the systemic government plan to torture prisoners for information.

We have even seen the 60 Minutes report on "renditioning" which is apparently a fancy word for kidnapping and disappearing someone without anyone's knowledge, much less a trial, a judge, a jury, or even an International Red Cross inspector so that he can be tortured by the security services of other governments where they aren't so picky about little legal "problems" like the Geneva Conventions, the Bill of Rights or the Magna Carta.

Now we are hearing reports in the news of secret prisons in Eastern Europe where the Administration is holding alleged terrorists in unknown conditions. No doubt they've "rounded up the usual suspects" once again - and, apparently just like Colonel Jessup in A Few Good Men, they don't think that "we can handle the truth", so they have chosen to hide it from us.

How is this any different from the behavior of South American banana republic dictators, military juntas, and death squads such as we have seen in the past in the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Chile, Argentina, El Salvador and elsewhere in Latin America with their thousands of "desaparecidos" anyways?

Torture of prisoners is neither American nor Christian. (To paraphrase a popular bumper sticker - "Who would Jesus torture?")

This must end now.

The government must apologize and rectify the situation. We the People must know the truth, sooner - not later - and those in this Administration who are responsible must be impeached and brought to justice for their crimes.

ddeclue2@earthlink.net
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:47 AM
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16. Hi ddeclue!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:23 AM
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17. Thanks...
Thanks, I'm not totally new here.. just an infrequent poster...

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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:48 AM
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13. I read an article yesterday that suggested they start with Scooter...
after all, it looks like he may have a story to tell, of importance to our national security and all. And, that may be the ONLY way to get the information.
:evilgrin:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:58 AM
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15. that's what happens when we let bible thumpers and neocons
foist fascists on us
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:29 AM
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18. This is disgusting and scary
despicable criminals calling themselves politicians

what are we going to do, nothing...like the german citizens of the 1930s??!
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