We need to run a SOUTHERN DEM' GOVERNOR in 08'.

[Dying Eagle]

We did it with Carter and Clinton. I am starting to think we can't run another Senator. So from this list, do any of these names stir any feelings from anyone here, good or bad? Plus who would you pair them with (Feingold, Edwards,Clinton,Clark...ect.)?

Roy Barnes--GA (former)
Kathleen Blanco--LA
Phil Bredesen--TN
Mike Easley--NC
Bob Graham--FL (former)
Brad Henry--OK
Jim Hodges--SC (former)
James Hunt--NC (former)
Ronnie Musgrove--MS (former)
Mark Warner--VA
Tim Kaine--(governor-elect VA)
Bill Richardson--NM

[Selatius]

1. You just need somebody who stands up for the working man

You don't have to be a southerner to do that. Was FDR a southerner?

[Dying Eagle]

7. I am just sick of losing

I know election reform is needed, but shit, we need to win one first. Why can't we find a southern governor that has progressive qualities? I am not saying run them for the hell of it, but we CANNOT afford to lose in 08'

[mestup]

15. There's only one way Dems can lose in 06 and 08.

If BushCoInc comes up with an Iraq exit strategy and brings the troops home.

But he made it clear today in his I'm-not-placing-the-wreath-at-Arlington speech that they have no intention of pulling out.

Bush proved today that this administration is completely out of touch with what concerns most Americans.

If Rove is Bush's brain, Bush should get a transplant.

[Dying Eagle]

18. I am not that sure

we were all saying the same thing in 04.

"Bush is toast"

"No way bush will win"


So-on and etc. We can't just sit back and be confident. These people (neo-cons) are tricky and will go to no limits to stay in power.

[mestup]

19. Essentially, that's what I mean.

If they decide it's expedient to "bring home the troops" in order to guarantee Repub wins in 06 and 08 - they'll just continue their No Oil Spigot Left Behind campaign later.

[Selatius]

43. Kerry believes election was rigged according to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1900387

The statement that "Bush is toast" could still be factually correct. If the GAO report about voting irregularities in Ohio is any indication, there is a distinct possibility Bush really did lose.

[Zan_of_Texas]

32. there are a ton of ways Dems can lose in 06 and 08

Because there are a ton of ways to rig electronic voting machines, and even optical scan systems, because they use electronic tabulation.

If the referees are paid off, and the guy running the scoreboard is paid off, and the announcers are whores, well, I guess it doesn't much matter if you run out a great quarterback or a mediocre one. Except for entertainment value.

If the political junkies would spend 1/10 as much of their time and money worrying about the refs and the scoreboard keeper, and the announcers, we might get somewhere.

Southern straight white wealthy male governor. Or something else? Gee, the possibilities boggle the mind, eh?

It doesn't matter. Until we cast paper ballots. And count them by hand. In the precincts. In front of anyone who wants to watch.

So, what have you all done this week to get honest elections?

Where have you sent a donation?

Hint: Read Scoop.

New Mexico Law Suit Delves Inside Voting Machines
Election Errors Threaten Future Voting Rights in New Mexico
Major Law Suit Under Way to Open Up “Secret” Workings of Voting Machines

Special Report for “Scoop” Independent Media
First in a Series

By Michael Collins
Nov. 2, 2005
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/print.html?path=HL0511/S00067.htm

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Heck no

FDR was a very rich northern democrat and was truly one of the best's.

[Jim Sagle]

2. Fuck this Southern supremacy bullshit.

As a fed-up Northerner, I don't need it, I don't want it, and I won't tolerate it.

P. E. R. I. O. D.

[liberaltrucker]

8. Hmmmmm

a bit testy tonight? Can't blame you. I'm a Southerner, and never understood the need to "balance the ticket". I'm a Clarkie(Southern, yes), but he'd represent ALL of us, no matter the region.

[Jim Sagle]

21. I have no problem with Clark, or with a GOOD candidate who HAPPENED to

be Southern.

But this BULLSHIT that we DARE not nominate anyone BUT a Southerner has GOT to fucking STOP!!!!!!!

[Dying Eagle]

24. I can agree with that

I just don't want another "belt-way candidate". People's trust of Washington politicians may be at a all time low. So we need to stay away for current senators and congresspeople.

[Dying Eagle]

10. "Southern supremacy bullshit"???

I have lived in Wisconsin my whole life??

Plus, that has nothing to do with it, its about finding a good candidate who CAN WIN!!!!!

[loveable liberal]

11. Im right there with you.

Northern Tundra Resident for President!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

38. Thank you.

Why can't we get a candidate from the West Coast, Great Lakes states or the Northeast? In other words, the blue states.

Nominating a Southern candidate just to appease some RWers who might vote Dem as long as they'll bomb another ME country is stupid and shortsighted.

[Seen the light]

3. It's not Jim Easley, it's Mike Easley

And trust me, you wouldn't want him as president.

[liberaltrucker]

4. No, we need Wes Clark

nt

[mestup]

5. Why not a "heartland" progressive?

I wish the DNC and the DLC would stop trying to go after the last 10 people in America who still bother to vote. Why waste time trying to "figure out" how to sway the moderate conservatives?

There's a huge pool of non-voters looking for someone who'll represent their interests. It's about healthcare and labor protection. Pretty simple.

[ShockediSay]

6. What about Bill Richardson?

I heard him speak last week, and thought he was not only intelligent and impressive, but had a genuine down home way of speaking I've not heard in a long time. Lots of international experience.

[mestup]

12. Bill Richardson is VERY interesting.

http://www.westerndemocrat.com/2005/09/interview_with_.html

[Elwood P Dowd]

17. Bill Richardson is a corporate whore who helped the repukes with

NAFTA, WTO, GATT, and other anti-union and anti-worker policies. Go back to 1993-1995, and check out him out when he was in Congress.

[Horse with no Name]

37. ummmmmm

:puke:

[longship]

9. We need a fucking leader.

And I don't give a damn where he or she comes from.

[liberaltrucker]

13. Hear, Hear!!!

nt

[U4ikLefty]

42. I second that emotion!!!

n/t

[Dying Eagle]

14. We can expand this to include.....

outside the beltway candidates. So basically someone who is not currently working in Washington!!

[dcfirefighter]

16. I guess I'm out. damn. n/t

[applegrove]

20. We need someone who isn't going to be afraid to speak the truth.

We need an adult.

[Dying Eagle]

22. I don't think the Sheeple are ready for the truth.

I doubt their tiny brains could go from dictator B*sh to "The Truth". We need another Clinton. Someone who gives you hope and good policy with a ton of charm and swagger.

[applegrove]

27. Nope. Clinton was a one time thing. I personally didn't like to watch

him - I liked to hear him talk about issues. I like his policies.

No - we don't need a "culture of personality" type. We need an adult. This is the President - not your favorite TV show. President is not there to entertain. You are there to help your president - while he makes good decisions for all.

Richardson it is!!!

[Dying Eagle]

33. I agree

I know that and you know that, but we are talking about the uneducated, fox news watching, gun owning everyday brain washed Sheeple.

If everyone was as informed as Duer's this conversation would not be necessary. We need a TV President. Someone who has good ideas and policy's but can't be a bland, boring unappealing beltway politician. As much as it sucks we need to get some of the Sheeple on our side if we hope to counter the 4 million+ strong religious right and win the election.

[applegrove]

34. Look how people started swooning over Fitzy - just because he was

without guile and did his job well. That integrity would make me swoon at any time.. but in comparison to Bush - a normal prosecutor looks like a god. Just because he is not an devout asshole.

I was in Canada when the baby neocons lost power in an election. People were so sick of slick that the conservative party when from a majority of 170 or so - to two seats.

Because people got disgusted at looking at a phony all the time.

[UndergroundRadical]

23. Let's put it this way:

We haven't had *an elected*(Ford doesn't count) Northern president since JFK. The writing's on the wall. I don't know why. You make up your reason for why it works but it works. Follow the formula and in 2008 we will win. Assuming of course Hillary doesn't win.

[Elwood P Dowd]

26. The Bushits were northern presidents

They just happened to have a post office box in Houston and a fake ranch in Crawford when they ran for office.

[UndergroundRadical]

31. Actually Dubya's been a cowboy for most of his adult life.....

I know he's from Connecticut originally but he's really a good old boy at heart. Those are types who are easily molded and manipulated by evil types like Cheney. So as you can see, it is a symbiotic relationship. :)

[upi402]

25. Stop racing to the bottom, I say

Let the chaffe blow in the wind. It amounts to nothing anyway, on the margin.

[WI_DEM]

28. Al Gore of TN would qualify, plus he was elected president in 2000

Feingold of WI might be a good balance.

[stevedeshazer]

29. I don't care if he/she is from MARS, I just want someone progressive

Dr. Zoidberg would be just fine.

[LittleClarkie]

30. That's nice dear. I like who I like

Catch me if you can.

If you win the primaries, I promise not to whine.

But you gotta get there first.

[sandnsea]

35. Reaganism Is A Lie

What we really need is for southern democrats to tell their neighbors the truth about Reagan. His economics didn't work. His foreign policy created Saddam. He didn't bring down the Soviet Union. Corporate subsidies do not create jobs. Minorities are not the white man's enemy.

If that happened, then maybe we could pick up at 1968 and start moving forward again.

[lildreamer316]

36. ahem...EDWARDS.

'nuff said.

[leetrisck]

39. We need someone who will work his/her ass

off for this Country regardles of what part of the Country he/she is from. It would at least help if he/she could stay up at night past 9pm.

[depakid]

40. Oh yeah- JUST what we need

Another Jimmy Carter (whose ineptitude gave us Reagan- and destroyed the moderate wing of the Republican party).

Another Clinton (one of the better Republican presidents we ever had- in terms of policy. Hey, how 'bout that media consolodation? Micheal Powell, anyone). And wait- didn't Gore carry Tenessee in 2000? Oh, never mind.

Heck, Johnson might even be put on that list (even though eh wasn't a governor). Nice job with escallating 'Nam and handing over 4 seats on the Supreme Court to Nixon, by playing games with Justice Fortas).

We need another Southerner running for President like we need a hole in the head.

The faster Dems clue in to the fact that pandering to the South (i.e. conservatives) is a losing strategy (you'd think after 6 elections in a row, I wouldn't even have to keep saying this)- the faster they'll become relevant in national politics again.

[EFerrari]

41. We need to get rid of the voting machines before 2008

or it won't matter who we run.

Check out the Elections Forum!

[carolinalady]

44. not sure people in the south consider VA to be south n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

45. It all depends on the canidate I think

A northern liberal can win it just as well if he/she does a really good job at campaigning. Bredesen isn't too bad but he is having some problems with all the health care issues in the state so that might give him some problems if he does ever run. Someone earlier this year back in January asked someone who worked with/for him if he was ever going to run for president and this person said Bredesen wasn't interested in running for president. He doesn't really like campaigning (kind of like Gore). Bredesen is liked by republicans and democrats. Some people say you should worry when republicans like you but I just think it means you work well on both sides of the isle. You should check out all he's done at the Tennessee website. His name was being thrown around there for a while. His raitings right now aren't too good though. Last time I looked I believe the raitings were 49%. Back in January when he was being discussed his raitings was 70% and he was a two-time mayor of Nashville.