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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:07 PM
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Senator Nelson:I was looked at straight in the face and told that UAVs...
could be launched from ships off the Atlantic coast to attack eastern seaboard cities of the United States.

Who and Why was someone trying to frighten the senate into voting for the war? Wasn't this information that wasn't previously available to the senate? Here it is on congressional record...

Mr. NELSON of Florida. Mr. President, I express my appreciation to the Senator from North Dakota for the case that he has made, which has been very disturbing to us as two Senators, because the information we have received over the last several days causes us not only to scratch our heads but to shake our heads--that the intelligence we received in the secure rooms of this Capitol complex was either so faulty that we are in a considerable degree of vulnerability, that we are not getting accurate information upon which to defend this country, or that the information that was presented to us was faulty not because of the sources of that information and the analysis but there was some suggestion of coloring that information to reach a certain conclusion.

I think this is far beyond Republicans and Democrats. This is about defense of the homeland. This is about America. Just because this has come up in January of an election year, with Dr. Kay coming forth and telling us today in the Armed Services Committee that he concluded this last November, then it is sure time for us to get some answers for the protection of this country and its people.

I want to take this occasion to inform the Senate of specific information that I was given, which turns out not to be true. I was one of 77 Senators who voted for the resolution in October of 2002 to authorize the expenditure of funds for the President to engage in an attack on Iraq. I voted for it. I want to tell you some specific information that I received that had a great deal of bearing on my conclusion to vote for that resolution. There were other factors, but this information was very convincing to me that there was an imminent peril to the interests of the United States.

I, along with nearly every Senator in this Chamber, in that secure room of this Capitol complex, was not only told there were weapons of mass destruction--specifically chemical and biological--but I was looked at straight in the face and told that Saddam Hussein had the means of delivering those biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction by unmanned drones, called UAVs, unmanned aerial vehicles. Further, I was looked at straight in the face and told that UAVs could be launched from ships off the Atlantic coast to attack eastern seaboard cities of the United States.

Is it any wonder that I concluded there was an imminent peril to the United States? The first public disclosure of that information occurred perhaps a couple of weeks later, when the information was told to us. It was prior to the vote on the resolution and it was in a highly classified setting in a secure room. But the first public disclosure of that information was when the President addressed the Nation on TV. He said that Saddam Hussein possessed UAVs.

Later, the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, in his presentation to the United Nations, in a very dramatic and effective presentation, expanded that and suggested the possibility that UAVs could be launched against the homeland, having been transported out of Iraq. The information was made public, but it was made public after we had already voted on the resolution, and at the time there was nothing to contradict that.

We now know, after the fact and on the basis of Dr. Kay’s testimony today in the Senate Armed Services Committee, that the information was false; and not only that there were not weapons of mass destruction-- chemical and biological--but there was no fleet of UAVs, unmanned aerial vehicles, nor was there any capability of putting UAVs on ships and transporting them to the Atlantic coast and launching them at U.S. cities on the eastern seaboard.

I am upset that the degree of specificity I was given a year and a half ago, prior to my vote, was not only inaccurate; it was patently false. I want some further explanations.

Now, what I have found after the fact--and I presented this to Dr. Kay this morning in the Senate Armed Services Committee--is there was a vigorous dispute within the intelligence community as to what the CIA had concluded was accurate about those UAVs and about their ability to be used elsewhere outside of Iraq. Not only was it in vigorous dispute, there was an outright denial that the information was accurate. That was all within the intelligence community.

But I didn’t find that out before my vote. I wasn’t told that. I wasn’t told that there was a vigorous debate going on as to whether or not that was accurate information. I was given that information as if it were fact, and any reasonable person then would logically conclude that the interests of the United States and its people were in immediate jeopardy and peril. That has turned out not to be true.

We need some answers, and I saw the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee ask the chairman for a further investigation into this matter. I heard the chairman say: I will take it under consideration.

I hope that is a positive sign and not a negative sign. We need to get to the bottom of this for the protection of our country. It is too bad this is coming up in the year 2004, which happens to coincide with the Presidential election, because people are going to immediately say this is partisan politics.

The fact is, this is the politics of the protection of our country, and we need some answers. I don’t want to be voting on war resolutions in the future based on information that is patently false when everybody is telling me, looking me eyeball to eyeball, that it is true.

I am hoping, as the Senator from North Dakota has suggested, that we have a convening of the appropriate intelligence officials in the secure room and that members of the intelligence community, as well as members of the administration, will come and explain, in addition to what Dr. Kay has explained on the public record--which is revealing enough in itself--what, in fact, happened and how we are going to correct the process and the analysis of information so that we never have this kind of miscalculation and misinformation again.

Either the intelligence community’s self-examination, its analysis was hugely faulty, or there were the hints at taking information and coloring it, called stacking the news and coming out with a conclusion that was wanted. I think we have to find out what happened.

It is not a question of whether or not Saddam Hussein ought to be gone. Thank goodness he is gone. That probably had a very salutary effect on the United States in that part of the world, that the United States will back up its intentions with force. But when the United States makes decisions about a preemptive war, a war now that has claimed the lives of over 500 American men and women, then we have to have a much higher standard of accuracy of the information upon which we make the judgments to send America’s finest on to the battlefield.

I can tell you about all the soldiers from Florida who are now laid to rest. There are plenty of reasons I am raising these questions, but if for no other reason than to raise the questions for the mamas and the daddies and the spouses and the children of those soldiers. That is plenty justification enough. But the justification is much greater, and that is the justification of making sure we can protect ourselves in the future.

In a war against terrorists, our defense is only going to be as good as the information we receive to stop the terrorists. We had a colossal failure of intelligence on September 11, 2 years ago. We can’t afford that kind of failure again. Yet we have just found out that when we were given the reasons for going to war, that was faulty intelligence. America can’t afford too many more of these, for the protection of ourselves and our loved ones.

This is something of considerable concern to me personally. I know it is of considerable concern to the rest of the Senate. I hope the majority leader of this Senate, Senator Frist, is going to listen to those of us in this Chamber who say that this request has nothing to do with politics. Let’s get to the bottom of what is the truth and how we make sure that information in the future is true.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/s012804b.html
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:11 PM
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1. why is it that the only people in the world who believed any of this shit
in the first place (or at least pretended that they did) are:

neocon corpo-fascists

religiously insane wack job theo-fascists

Iraqi conmen like Chalabi

Democratic members of Congress

WE ALL KNEW it was lies. The millions who marched against the war KNEW it was lies. The leaders of the countries who refused to join the bush Axis KNEW it was lies.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:20 PM
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2. exactly.
All these people, who are supposedly 'in the know', actually knew nothing at all, as far as reality was concerned. And yet these same people, after thousands have been killed because of their lack of due diligence, now simply want to say, 'gee, I was duped', and all is forgiven and their credibility is restored.

But what will happen the next time? Will this happen again and once more the mea culpa will be issued ex post facto?

Why is this acceptable? It doesn't fly anywhere in the 'real' world, why should it be allowed in the highest levels of government, or any level for that matter?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:42 PM
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3. We didn't know
Most of us knew that a lot of what this misadministration was telling us wasn't true. We knew that Saddam wasn't an imminent threat. However, because the President and top WH officials kept insisting that they had all kinds of intelligence, that of course they couldn't show anyone, that they must have known something that we didn't. The big difference between us and them was how to respond to this information even if it was true. When the POTUS goes to Congress and the rest of the world claiming that there is no other choice except to go to war with Iraq, you should be able to assume that he would only do this for a very good reason. That they must know something we don't know. Never before have we had such treasonous liars take over our government. At the time, many members in Congress had little choice but to get the POTUS the benefit of the doubt.

Instead of beating people up for finally seeing the light, we need to forgive them and support them for finally taking a stand for what is right.

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Tamarin Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:01 PM
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4. This is what would happen between my husband and I.
I was reading DU, Pitt and Theilman(sp?) and Ritter and Wilson and Byrd. He was listening to the *news*. He kept telling me that they (the administration) had more information and intelligence they could not reveal. I said it was crap. My husband knew that Powell was lying after watching the presentation to the UN but still was afraid to talk against the coming war. Many thinking and caring people were too unsure in the wake of 9/11 to make a mistake. Spin and deception is what this administration excels at. Most of us at DU despise Bush but a great percentage of the population was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt during the run up to war.
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:23 PM
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5. I don't think Dem Senators believe it, they were looking at polls
that said it was a downer to vote against the war resolution.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:31 PM
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6. hence the "(or pretended that they did)" qualifier
I'm not inclined to forgive those who lied, failed to apply healthy skepticism or just "went along" catering to polls now that is serves their self interest to "see the light."

If you supported the war with your vote, your money, your words, your work or your "leadership," you are an accomplice to war crimes, murder and treason and need to be held accountable.

Period.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:36 PM
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7. I think you're right
The Democrats in Congress (and anyone else who was paying attention) were too politically weak and afraid to go against the war train.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:38 PM
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9. Which is THE reason why we should purge the Dems in Washington
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 01:39 PM by loudsue
and replace them with true patriots who want to serve THE PEOPLE they represent, and NOT the corporations that purchase their votes.

The Dems we replace them with need to be SMART, INFORMED, and as active in politics and truth-seeking as people at DU are...at a minimum.

We need Dems who will push, and push hard for media reform such that Americans can ALL be privy to the information that is available with research.

We need Dems who will push, unceasingly, for vote-counting machine reform, and will not be shy about the election ATROCITIES that the republicans have been committing EVERY election cycle.

We need Dems who will push, with a vengeance, the idea that lobbying and election laws need to be overhauled so that competent, passionate people who are NOT millionaires can easily run for government office, and win.

The group we have in Washington right now have their heads in the sand about what condition America is in right now, and the dangerous path that the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act has taken us down.

We need to clean up our government before this country totally implodes, and THE TRUTH about what goes on HAS TO BE reported by our media.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:57 PM
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10. I can't trust anyone who supported the war
Kerry (I'm no longer a fan, but I have to give credit where credit is due) at least qualified his support of the IWR Act, but WAY too many Dems just fell in lockstep with the neocons.

How could they have been so weak and stupid? I do not want them in office.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:37 PM
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8. Because you have never heard any of these secret briefs
trust me, if they want and need to, they can make them oh so scary and since they are CLASSIFIED, it is not like they can go into the details with you.

I had a chance to talk to a US Senator, and that was one of the points he made... the briefs were done in such a way that they could not question, and since bush removed their clearances, they could not make independent enquirers either... he said this very much off the record.

He also reminded me this was done right after the Anthrax attacks and there was ans still is an environment of fear on the Hill like he does not remember ever... it was also a time when the Minority Leader was placed under US Secret Service protection as well as his family and this just made everybody go into these hearings in a state that you and I cannot even fathrom...

He also said that one day hey would all have to face the fact that they voted, and that nobody would understand what Bush and his cronies did on the hill... the few that did not vote for this were somehow able to get over the collective environment of fear.

Alas that day is almost upon us, so as a historian this will be a case study on how to frighten a legislative body to do what you want them to do.

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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:12 PM
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11. Good grief, his fellow Senator from Florida,
Bob Graham, ranking Dem on the Senate Intelligence committee, thought all of this was fake! He even wrote a book about it. Guess he couldn't trust Bob; he could only trust the Bush Cabal!
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