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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:22 PM
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IS Dean a Disaster for the DNC? The media want us to think so.
But the truth is not what they want us to think...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/14/125530/33

Dean and the DNC
by kos
Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 10:55:30 AM PDT

This piece on the DNC fundraising this past year starts as a hit piece:

The Democratic National Committee under Howard Dean is losing the fundraising race against Republicans by nearly 2 to 1, a slow start that is stirring concern among strategists who worry that a cash shortage could hinder the party's competitiveness in next year's midterm elections <...>

Now, the latest financial numbers are prompting new doubts. From January through September, the Republican National Committee raised $81.5 million, with $34 million remaining in the bank. The Democratic National Committee, by contrast, showed $42 million raised and $6.8 million in the bank.


Sounds horrible! Except we must put it all in its proper context:

In the previous election cycle, the DNC had raised $31 million, compared with the RNC's $80 million, at this point in 2003 <...>

So Dean has cut the RNC's traditional 3-1 advantage (or more) in fundraising to a 2-1 advantage and raised $11 million more than McAuliffe raised in 2003. Not to mention that Dean's numbers come the year after a presidential election -- the worst political fundraising time possible, while McAuliffe's came during the presidential cycle. Meanwhile, the RNC has remained static.
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PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:28 PM
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1. Well
If the media wants us to think he's a disaster then he's definitely not. He did well on MTP in my opinion.
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:29 PM
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2. If last Tues. is any indictation, Dean is doing a great job!
And he has been slapping around Bush & the Pugs with great results.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:29 PM
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3. Dean is a disaster for the GOP and that other D Committee, GOP-Lite.
Howard hasn't placed a foot wrong since he started as Party Chair. Can you imagine what he could have done as President?
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:31 PM
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4. good, let them continue to get it wrong
it might serve to continue to raise even more money!

Democrats will NEVER equal the monetary strength of the Repubs and their corporate donors - but we ARE THE PEOPLE!
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:32 PM
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5. Everything is a disaster for the Dems if you listen to them
Yeah he is a disaster, the best disaster we Dems have had in a long time.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:41 PM
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8. I'm a bit concerned they keep pushing Hillary on us as the candidate
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 06:43 PM by leveymg
and I don't see a lot of pushing back. Except here, and a few other places.

If polls are to be believed, she is the presumed candidate. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot I like about her (and some that worries me a great deal). I'm just not convinced she can be elected.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:47 PM
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10. Yeah but I have faith, our primaries have a way of filtering out the
loose pebbles.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:53 PM
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Sometimes the screen is too course to stop some real blockheads.
And we don't have to go back very far to find examples of selection failure.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:34 PM
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6. Dan Bartlett is a disaster lying for junior.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:40 PM
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7. It is difficult, if not impossible, to imagine a more
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 06:41 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
distinguished accreditation.

I don't think a Nobel Peace Prize, for instance, quite matches vilification by the media, though designation by the FBI as Public Enemy No 1. by a US administration, (as Noam Chomsky was), has to be right up there.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:43 PM
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9. Dean is the reason many of us haven't bailed for a 3rd party yet.
But they can say whatever they want.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:53 PM
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11. Was someone on Ed Schultz today criticizing Dean for fundraising?
I don't listen to him, but my just called really irritated.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:55 PM
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12. Ed Schultz had my blood pressure up this afternoon...
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 06:57 PM by Rainscents
He was announcing GOP talking point about Dean not raising enough money. I truly believe, Ed doesn't do his homework first before he open his mouth sometimes and today was one of those time again. Ed Schultz really need to research before he open his mouth!

We all need to slame Ed with email links with FACTS!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:01 PM
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14. I have done that before.
If he was wrong, he won't care. I sent them research, and I got back that Big Eddie doesn't apologize.

I can not listen to him anymore.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:25 PM
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18. That's just so much fucking
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 07:26 PM by zidzi
EGO..big ed "doesn't apolgize"..when he's wrong? Gimme a Break! Sounds like the monkey on a string.

Edit~ to say~ Thanks for tryin', madfloridian!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:33 PM
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19. I looked up the mails....He went after Dean in June about fundraising..
I was told by James Holm, a former DFA member, I thought, that Ed was simply trying to get Dean to come on his show more. That really irritated me. They are apparently baiting him to get him to use the radio more....Dean does that locally, but that does not suit Ed

I was told by Wendy the same thing...that Eddie is pressuring Dean.

Ok, so they seem to think that is ok, to pressure him by lying and spreading innuendo.

Hey could Ed be getting talking points from the same people that Media Matters went after in June? Hmmm.....
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:03 PM
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15. I have been listening to Ed Schultz for a bit now I think he thinks
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 07:06 PM by Snotcicles
he is more important then he really is. But for a person doing the repuke flip-a-roony he's trying. And I don't think he realizes how big Deans backing is.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:24 PM
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17. I happened to listen just once
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 07:50 PM by zidzi
to schultz and it was the last time the gop talking points came out against Dean and ed picked up on it then, too.

I really didn't want to listen to anymore of rw talking points drivel..who knows maybe it's dlc talking points drivel.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:58 PM
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13. All the MSM bullshit does not bother me anymore
because I did my own little analysis of my turf. Everyone in my circles who was for a Democrat in the past five years is still for a Democrat.
But there are a bunch of the old Bush freaks who are singing a different tune now a days. It's funny as hell but I control myself and tell them that they were badly used and I hate the Republicans for doing that to them. That I have always been able to spot a con that is why I never fell for the BS from the start.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:19 PM
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16. And what about the money that Dean in encouraging remaining in the
states when he makes appearances so that the state Dem party offices have some much needed funding? I don't suppose that was mentioned. What about those of us who contribute to the DNC but who are contributing more to local candidates and to candidates for the House and Senate, not only within our states, but to candidates in other states as well? Probably no mention of that sort of thing either.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:38 PM
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20. How many agree to send the Kos diary to Big Eddie-poo? And this link.
I will. I will also send this from Media Matters in June. The right wing did the same thing to Dean when June amounts came out, and they lied then, too.

Anybody? Bet if he gets enough he might care.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506170001

Dean fund-raising lie persists among conservatives

"The conservative media continues to falsely assert that Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman Howard Dean is an ineffective fund-raiser. In the past week, Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes, New York Post columnist John Podhoretz, and Washington Times chief political correspondent Donald Lambro all cast Dean as a fund-raising failure. In fact, when compared with fund-raising in the most recent non-election year, Dean has raised more money in raw dollars, and more in comparison to the Republican National Committee (RNC), than did his predecessor.

As Media Matters for America has documented (here, here, and here), Dean raised $14.8 million between February and April 2005, versus $8.5 million raised by former DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe during the same time period in 2003. Dean has also raised more money than McAuliffe relative to RNC fund-raising. The RNC raised $32.4 million between February and April 2005, about 2.2 times the rate of the DNC; over the same period in 2003, the RNC's $25.7 million was more than three times what the Democrats raised. An article in the June 20 edition of Newsweek by chief political correspondent Howard Fineman and national correspondent Tamara Lipper noted how Dean has been effective at soliciting smaller donations:

Officials estimate that $12 million of the $14 million the Dean regime has collected so far this year has come from those who gave less than $250. "For people who really look hard at the numbers, he's wowing people," says Elaine Kamarck, a respected DNC member."

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:40 PM
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21. I like Dean. The more we like him, the more they will hate him. Politics
Fuck the media
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:49 PM
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22. I don't get why they're trotting out the same crap. The new article's just
a rehash of the one they printed about 6 months ago.
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