OFFICIAL HOUSE THREAD #7

[LSK]

Thread 6 at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5400331&mesg_id=5400331

History in the making.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

1. C.G. is here.

:popcorn:

[roguevalley]

2. Mr. Murtha is serving his country so well. Congratulations, Penn.

[Coexist]

3. Present and accounted for...

although I hate having to interrupt this great speech to type!

[thefloyd]

4. DRAFT!!!

AND WE START WITH THE TOP 20% of Income earners in this country. They get the tax cut they can afford their own gear

[Sydnie]

5. Yes it is LSK ... Living History right before our eyes

I am honored to be sharing this moment with you. :)

[Rainscents]

6. That time is almost here!

:popcorn:

[LSK]

7. Bill Young starts off with a lie

They are on the front lines against terror.

[skooooo]

9. Sheesh, no kidding!

We're safer tonight because they're fighting in Iraq! Yeah sure!

[rodeodance]

10. he says to vote NO?--says it is not a good resolution

[LSK]

11. of course, the Rethugs dont want this to pass

[hippiechick]

13. I can't even listen to the lying-ass Republicans

ARGH. :puke: I mute the sound every time one of them gets up to speak.

Can they really believe what they're saying ?
I mean, really ??? It's so obviously 100% jingoistic bullshit.

[KerryOn]

25. We can rest peacefully tonight...

... because they are fighting terror in Iraq.

Blah, blah, blah

And we are fighting the terror in the WH!

[sepia_steel]

113. nothing is more anoying to me lately than the repition of that line.

ARGH!!!

[Clark2008]

32. Except they are... only it wasn't before we invaded.

*sigh*

:(

[Crazy Guggenheim]

8. Bill Young. He sucks.

[rodeodance]

15. he just slammed Murtha--says he said more tonight than he has for

the last 20 years on some committee. paraphased.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

19. I know I heard that!!! That ass!

[rodeodance]

what a slame--then he says this is NOT about Duncan or Murtha!!

[Clark2008]

45. Please... tell me what Duncan said.

I had a phone call.

Duncan spoke? He's my Rep. A Republican and voted against the war. One of the few Republicans in the House that did.

What did Duncan say?

[Stand and Fight]

12. Jack Murtha gems:

"People are thirsting for some direction. They're thirsting for a solution to this problem."

"I went to Iraq about two months ago, and I talked to the commanders. As you all know, the commanders are very reluctant to say anything that is not in the policy of the White House. The Marine commander said, 'I don't have enough troops to monitor the Syrian border.'"

"...The war is not going as advertised."

"People calling my office crying..."

"I go by Arlington cemetery everyday, and then the Vice-President criticizes Democrats... Well, those tombstones don't say Democrat or Republican -- they say American."

"When the American forces cross the red line they will attack us with weapons of mass destruction. I believed that. The military commanders believed it too... It turned out not to be true."

"We spend more money on intelligence than all the countries in the world put together, and our intelligence on Iraq was wrong!"

"Let me tell you what demoralizes the truth. Going to war with not enough troops. The devastation caused by IEDs... Being deployed a second or third time. Leaving their families behind without a network of support."

"Choices have to be made. We cannot allow promises that we have made to our military families... to be negotiated away."

"The war in Iraq has caused huge shortfalls in our bases in the United States."

"We must rebuild our army. The deficit is growing out of control."

"This is the first prolonged war we have... had tax cuts."

"Our military has accomplished its mission and done its duty... Our military captured Saddam Hussein. Captured or killed his closest associates."

"That resolution calls for a re-deployment of our troops."

"Iraq cannot be won militarily. You can say it in these air-conditioned offices, but it cannot be won militarily. It must be won politically."

"With US military re-deployment the Iraq Security Forces will have incentive to take over..." (Bad para-phrase)

[Fla Dem]

50. Also said recruitment falling 10,000 short. 20% of recruits are 4-C

lowest quality of candidtes they will accept and in fact said we would not have in the all volunteer service.

[Duer 157099]

14. How will Hunter vote on the resolution?

If he votes NO, isn't that admitting that he wrote a stupid resolution?

[Sydnie]

24. He already said he was going to vote NO

He said that in the first hour of this sham.

[Duer 157099]

36. So in other words he admits he's an asshole? n/t

[Sydnie]

52. It was an attempt to intimidate ... but it didn't quite go as planned

They thought the Dem's would shake in their boots, but they didn't.

It really has been a lose-lose for the repugs. They have "wasted time" and not held a real debate at all.

The five minute per member would have changed the playing field but they didn't approve that. Real discussion, with no flags to hide behind, scares the hell out of them.

[Sydnie]

16. "He's been my friend for a long time" ... but I'm gonna trash his

ideas tonight. Hunter ... with friends like you, who needs enemies?

[tsuki]

17. Murtha is a real patriot. The Repubs cannot take that away.

[GOPNotForMe]

18. Paul Young is a blowhard.

And, of course, from Florida. But not my rep., thank goodness.

[Duer 157099]

20. I wonder how many of the Repub House members

have relatives in the military, in Iraq.

They can't honestly believe that they sleep better knowing their relatives are in Iraq?

[rodeodance]

23. no, but he says Americans can sleep better.

[Sydnie]

I don't know about you but I feel like I haven't slept in 5 years.

much less slept well.

[DBoon]

Didn't Michael Moore ask that question in F911?

and wasn't the answer "almost none"?

[RepublicanElephant]

21. has bill young ever heard of divorce?

that's one way to get out of a commitment.

divorce yourselves from dubya, repubs!

[AlCzervik]

22. Gee Bill Young, Ray-gun negotiated with terrorists.

[tallahasseedem]

Young is a douchebag.

Shut up already.

[rodeodance]

30. oh mr. young!! --He says to vote no.

[mirror wall]

26. what was being yelled? n/t

[Clark2008]

27. Murtha earned my kiss and hug

Oh, wow! I love this!

[Duer 157099]

28. OMG the idiocy

"...and to those with injured loves ones in Walter Reed... we need to show we support them..."

What? By telling them that when they're well, they're going back to Iraq???? That's how you support them?

WTF'ing hell is wrong with these dolts? OMG I can't stand it

[RepublicanElephant]

young is turning this debate into another appropriations bill. n/t

.

[doublethink]

29. Bill Young to our troops .....

Your never coming home, forget about it. That's how we support you. These repubs are so full of themselves and their b.s. :crazy:

[Duer 157099]

31. self delete dup n/t

[rodeodance]

34. yes, Jefley please be brief!

[rodeodance]

38. H. wants stay until "the job is done"--geech!

[rodeodance]

42. He says this is about 'liberating a group of people"

[tallahasseedem]

33. Hefley...

proof that a gay man has not touched his hair.

[stop the bleeding]

39. .

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[tsuki]

53. I am not a gay man, but I wouldn't touch his hair either.

[rodeodance]

55. he is one of those men who try not to look bald-but end up looking silly.

[RepublicanElephant]

35. ha! that trick to end debate didn't work!

nice try.

[LSK]

37. HOW DO WE KNOW WHEN ITS DONE????

NOBODY IS TELLING US.

[skooooo]

40. When the Republicans say its done.

[AuntPatsy]

43. Exactly, they act as if they are talking to third graders, only those

blindly following these out and out misleading lies that spew so easily from this vermin could be considered that stupid....

[robbedvoter]

41. So, Hunter who authored the "Murtha resolution" yielded?

What? No support for his own schtick?

[rodeodance]

47. M. is debunking the myth that all soldiers at Walter Reed want to go

right back.

[robbedvoter]

63. "Vote NO on my own resolution - too bizzare...

[Duer 157099]

69. self delete

[stepnw1f]

44. This Guy Now Makes Me Think of Cancer

He personifies cancer for me. What a cold useless dickhead. You Republicans are so goddamn dellusional it makes me want to punch you in your face.

[Duer 157099]

46. Every one of these repukes would use a human shield

probably even a child, if they were put in that situation

that's how this crap today looks to me, they are hiding being the soldiers

[rodeodance]

54. he is reading a letter from a troop's wife who is at Walter Reed---not

supporting this war.

[Coexist]

48. Murtha back up! Reading letters sent to him

thank you - I was under the impression that only (R) soldiers could write.

(sarcasm intended)

[tallahasseedem]

49. Murtha reading a soldier's wife letter!

He is the hero.

[lovuian]

102. Murtha remembers the Vietnam War and has started to see

that this war is even worse!!!

[thereismore]

51. In short: repugs disgust me with their fake concern for the troops

What the hell do they mean by support, "being with them", and "when the job is done"? Idiots, lunatics, knuckleheads of the highest order!!!

[rodeodance]

58. Has Murtha ever said how Duncans resoltion belittles his resoltuon?

[AuntPatsy]

56. Murthat reads a letter from a wounded soldier who told him

that most of the wounded soldiers cheered loudly when Murtha stood up to this administration....

That puts a hole in the repubs charges that the troops are tired of people against the war...

do they never get tired of lying

[tallahasseedem]

57. OOOHHHH slaughter and destruction...

what the hell do they think is going on there now?

[tsuki]

60. Maybe they have it confused with Club Gitmo?

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

64. most of them live in a bubble.

[doublethink]

59. Rep. Rob Simmons ungrateful ......

that shit head war called Vietnam ended, and therefore probably saved his and many other soldiers lives. Why do they want more dead in Iraq? :crazy:

[tsuki]

66. Too many Chuck Norris movies.

[doublethink]

77. That must be it. ........

freedom is on the march ....... Rep. Steve Buyer .... don't know if I can take much more of this tonight ..... geesh ...... :)

[mtowngman]

75. Maybe the swift boat captains should look into Simmons

[LSK]

61. reading a letter from a Gold star family

The best thing for the troops is a smart foreign policy.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

62. "Why the rest of the Demo Party isn't rallying behind you"

[Wheezy]

68. Steve Buyer

has ears on his heart.

:puke:

[cal04]

74. Is his 20 year old son in the service

that's what I want to know

[Roy]

73. Yup... that should do it.

That should be a wake up call to all dems in congress to start speaking up.

[mtowngman]

65. God knows why the rest of the Democratic party isn't rallying around you

[Emit]

67. Big Question. Need help please.

Came in on it late. Was that vote a while ago on the Duncan Resolution or was that a debate on a rule change Duncan wanted in order to squelch discussion of Murth? Others on another board are saying that the vote was on the Res. itself. Clearly confused. Please, oh please, shed some light. Thanks in advance.

[Wheezy]

81. Vote to continue the debate on immediate withdrawl of troops

as I understand it. It passed, all reps voting for it. So now is 1 hour of additional debate.

[Coexist]

70. Doesn't someone see himself as a poet!

WTF?

[rodeodance]

78. has anyone seen this where Pelosi said to vote with the Repugs?

I posted this ealier but only got a few bites.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/24hour/front/story/2915302p-11577199c.html
House GOP seeks quick veto of Iraq pullout

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Friday, November 18th, 2005 03:13 PM (PST)


WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans maneuvered for swift rejection Friday of any notion of immediately pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq, sparking a nasty, sometimes personal debate over the war and a Democratic lawmaker's own call for withdrawal.
Furious Democrats accused the GOP of orchestrating a political stunt, leaving little time for debate and changing the meaning of a withdrawal resolution offered by Democratic Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania.

For those reasons, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent word to rank-and-file Democrats to vote - with the Republicans - against immediate withdrawal of American troops.

Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said of the nonbinding resolution, "We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will not retreat."

[Mist]

71. Buyer: "I felt the envy of their souls" WTF?

Did he actually say he "heard" what the dead were saying? This guy's beyond insane.

[Duer 157099]

72. Steve Buyer has a 20-year old son... is he in Iraq? no... why?

Odd isn't it?

[uppityperson]

85. maybe he has asthma

or a hangnail

[Mist]

86. Well, he did take his son to a military cemetary - to a Rethug, it's

just as important.

[Patsy Stone]

76. FREEDOM IS ON THE MOVE!

So says Buyer, R-Ind.

[erinlough]

83. What a total jerk!!!!!!!!! n/t

[skooooo]

84. Some of these representatives have really poor speaking skills...

Buyer isn't the worst I've heard tonight, but...

[rodeodance]

99. my gawd did you hear that--he called it the 'murtha resolution"!!!

[rodeodance]

103. they -the repugs just tried to slip in a lie!!!!!

[Patsy Stone]

109. What a shitstorm that started, eh?

Hi, rodeodance! :hi:

[buddysmellgood]

79. Buyer needs to spend some time in Iraq.

[Patsy Stone]

91. He also dissed Murtha's Resolution

of which there is none. And Lantos called him on it!

OMG, what about that remark from the presiding officer!

[DanCa]

80. God thier really slow bleeding this today arent they?

I hope it frickin backfires.

[AuntPatsy]

82. Steve buyer talks of loyalty? Than he should rethink his

political party lines, because the republicans have no clue as to what loyalty entails..

[AuntPatsy]

87. oh my god, did you guys just hear that?

[SillyGoose]

92. Yes!! I can't believe it!!

[Bill McBlueState]

93. holy shit!

This is getting good.

[erinlough]

96. Get them Dems.

[AuntPatsy]

98. the speaker says it is open to debate just what this debate is about

[Crazy Guggenheim]

88. "A matter for debate"?????????

[robbedvoter]

107. Hunter didn't speak - to keep the illusion going. Dems are good tonight

Matter of debate!

[Stand and Fight]

89. And the shit hits the fan.... Democrats are booing!!! Yes!!!

Some dick-head Republican ended his speech with, "Now is not the time for your resolution Mr. Murtha." Rep. Tom Lantos (D) stated a parliamentary inquiry as to whether they are debating the Murtha resolution or the Hunter resolution. The acting Speaker responded, "That is a matter of debate." Democrats began booing and hissing.

[Coexist]

95. Get ugly - people!

Let's go.

[AuntPatsy]

114. Thank you for elaboratin, I was so stunned I couldnt

[astonamous]

90. Holy Shite!!!! n/t

[RepublicanElephant]

94. WTF???

who is this little smart-ass speaker?

just answer the freakin question!
what a jerk!

[tallahasseedem]

97. What in the world just happened?

I look away for a second and the crowd goes wild!!!

[Coexist]

101. the idiot said that they were debating the "Murtha:" resolution

Dems insisted it be corrected as the Hunter resolution.

[Duer 157099]

115. Speaker was trying to insinuate that it's debatable whether

the Hunter and Murtha resolutions are one and the same -- thus the booing

[Coexist]

117. It was great.

[dweller]

112. Repug 3 card monte ... n/t

dp

[buddysmellgood]

100. No shit the house is not in order

[mb7588a]

104. Steve Buyer: "Freedom is on the MOOOOOVE!"

This guy didn't attend the distance yourself from bush seminar...

[LSK]

105. new thread time

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5401191

[Roxy66]

106. WOW!!!! This is amazing!!

[Bill McBlueState]

108. Murtha:

"when my son was 20, he was already in the Marines"

direct response to Chump (R-IN)

[tsuki]

110. The Speaker is an ass. Boy, did the Dems bow up! Good,

NO GREAT, for them.

[mtowngman]

111. "Mission accomplished was a JOKE"

[Coexist]

116. 'we believe our son is a clay pigeon for an IED"

How horrible that must feel for a parent.

[Gold Metal Flake]

118. Locking

New thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5401191