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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:44 PM
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Is it too late to prevent an American Hiroshima?
In his new book, American Hiroshima, David Dionisi (once a conservative Republican and a Fortune 500 business executive) argues that decades of unjust US foreign policies will be largely to blame for sowing the seeds of hostility and vengeance which could lead to a nuclear catastrophe.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D99265B2-4402-46FE-A905-1F086F513A3D.htm


If the US had the wisdom, we could make the world safer. The US military budget was over $420 billion in 2005. We could split that three ways: a third on economic development in the Middle East, especially Iraq; a third on tackling injustice at home, such as providing universal healthcare - and that would still leave us with the world's biggest military budget.

People have to become more involved. The anti-Vietnam war movement is an example - but it failed to hold government to account. If we had tried (former Defence Secretary) Robert McNamara or (former Secretary of State) Henry Kissinger for crimes such as the illegal bombing of Cambodia, it would have sent a powerful message to future leaders. The Bush government today wouldn't have been so bold.

Ultimately, Americans need to understand many of them will die and parts of their country will become uninhabitable unless they hold their government to account.

(my emboldening)
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:56 PM
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1. What would the result of this be?
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 03:56 PM by enigma000
Ultimately, non-Americans need to understand many of them will die and parts of their countries will become uninhabitable unless they prevent an American Hiroshima.

We are all in this together - the catastrophe would be global.



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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:58 PM
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2. I do believe you are correct.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:29 PM
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5. And how do you propose they do that? eom
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:45 PM
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10. don't know
All I know is that the desire for revenge will be insatiable. And by the time the Americans have their revenge, the earth will be so blasted apart, I'm sure the it's orbit around the sun will be shifted. Just think - a 420 day year.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:41 PM
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7. Bingo - that's why there will be no catastrophe:
US corporate execs working hand in hand with the powerful elite in China to ensure they work together for their salvation... and our deaths.

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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:07 PM
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11. Well, that's a bad start - WE can't hold your government to account
- only you Americans can, and you have just side-stepped it.

We could not prevent you invading Iraq (Bush said the US would go ahead with the invasion, even if Blair had not agreed to do so). So just how do we - the countries of the rest of the world - prevent you, say, attacking Iran? And if Iran then dropped a nuclear bomb or two on the US, just how do we prevent that, if you have already invaded Iran?

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:45 PM
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15. We've done everything we can
>and you have just side-stepped it.

Have you read anything coming out of our GAO lately? Do you know that our elections were stolen? We have done everything we can do, beyond widespread violence. The masses in the US are broke. We have no means of economic redress. They don't listen to us. If nothing happens in Washington, I'm terrified that the only next step will be violence, since the system has been crippled.

>the countries of the rest of the world

You represent all the countries of the world? ;)

>And if Iran then dropped a nuclear bomb or two on the US

Lots of businessmen in other countries rubbing their hands together with glee at that prospect.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:07 PM
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3. Tis inevitable! Hope to God I'm wrong....
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:25 PM
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4. Sounds like the GOP is getting us ready for them to blast somewhere
Sorry, I don't believe any of this is anything but an attempt to terrorize the American people (we commoners) for suspect reasons. We've seen this kind of crap through the years from these purported "journalists".

If they ever do decide to take out a big portion of our population (naturally, a "red" area without a lot of commerce or economic value to anyone, gosh won't that be handy). Then we'll have a third of our population gone, our nation dead in the water, and no one beyond this country will really care because, you know, "better dead than red". There will be our own little mini-Nuremberg group to try before the world.

Why is this sounding so much like a damned WWII movie in miniature?

Sorry, I acknowledge your intentions in posting it, but it sounds like more GOPropaganda Disinformation to me.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:38 PM
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6. Not GOP propoganda - exactly the opposite
It's an interview with a book author,
he says the GOP might ignite the nuke and blame it on al-Qaida:

"They also need to understand their history. In 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented a plan called Operation Northwood, which is now declassified. It proposed conducting mass casualty attacks on American targets and blaming it on Cuba to rally public support for war against Fidel Castro. President Kennedy rejected the plan. So we shouldn't just assume any future attack on our soil is the work of al-Qaida."
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:42 PM
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8. Then why haven't they?
They could have a year or two ago and retain credibility.

They can't now.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:40 PM
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14. Because too many people are onto them
There was widespread information that Cheney seriously considered a nuclear attack in South Carolina, to foment a move on Iran. Happily, his is not the only voice in the cabal. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if these madmen tried something -- I doubt seriously they would succeed.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:51 PM
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9. Disinformation takes many forms
I may well be being too cynical here, but any doomsday scenarios (even well-intentioned ones like this) are certainly intended to do something other than inform us. I'm not saying it's all not true - most disinformation is 75% true and 25% useful bullshit.

I'm quite open to the possibility that 9/11 was nothing but a Bush operation (along with other international sociopaths). Wolfowitz wrote the blueprint (while he was in college) for this very event. And 9/11 certainly didn't benefit the middle east monsters in any real way.

>President Kennedy rejected the plan.

Which is probably why he died - he had a conscience. I always found it interesting that Poppy Bush was nearby when he did die.

Old man Bush is a ball-busting, cold-hearted sociopath of the first order. He'd do anything to be in power and stay that way. The CIA ops used to call him the "Ice Pick" because he was so heartless. I believe any scenario that won't immediately impact his own life.

He has conveniently, of course, moved the majority of his assets to world banks.
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:09 PM
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12. Hey, if you/Israel attack Iran, then Armagedon in the US will result n/t
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:37 PM
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13. I have never and will never attack anyone
And I've never even been to Israel.

Sorry, but I don't buy that half of the terrorism has anything to do with the middle east. And Armageddon is a town there - and the mount of Megiddo.

There will almost certainly be some major attempt at terrorist violence in our country, but I fear the enemy is closer to home. We may be able to head it off, so don't go popping the corks too early.
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