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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:32 PM
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Dear Gov. Dean -- Why did Bush violate FISA and the 4th Amendment?
19 December 2005 (# 14)

Undoubtedly you’ve been asking yourself that question, as have many of us. In my letter to you on December 18, 2005, I noted that in 2002, the FISA Court approved every request – 1228 of them.

So, why would Mr. Bush subvert the efficient and proven FISA process?

David Sirota has asked them same question and has an interesting perspective that he blogged at Huffington Post:

… the President has tried to deflect attention by repeatedly saying he needed to order these operations to protect Americans. Fine – but it still doesn't answer the real question. If the surveillance operations he ordered were so crucial and so important to protecting our country, how come he didn't get a warrant? Surely something so critical to our security would have easily elicited a warrant from a FISA court already inclined to issue warrants in the first place, right?

And that gets us right back to the most important question: why would the President deliberately circumvent a court that was already wholly inclined to grant him domestic surveillance warrants? The answer is obvious, though as yet largely unstated in the mainstream media: because the President was likely ordering surveillance operations that were so outrageous, so unrelated to the War on Terror, and, to put it in Constitutional terms, so "unreasonable" that even a FISA court would not have granted them.

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/the-most-important-questi_b_12499.html


Just how is that a student at Dartmouth doing a term paper on Mao earns a visit from Homeland Security officers because he requested a copy of the “Little Red Book” from the library (http://tinyurl.com/az65m), Gov. Dean? What about, as Mr. Sirota also notes, the fact that:

Two years ago, the New York Times reported that the administration is using the FBI to "collect extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators." Then, just a few months ago, the Times reported that the FBI "has collected at least 3,500 pages of internal documents in the last several years on a handful of civil rights and antiwar protest groups." And just this past week, NBC News obtained a 400-page Pentagon document outlining the Bush administration's surveillance of anti-war peace groups. The report noted that the administration had monitored 1,500 different events (aka. anti-war protests) in just a 10-month period.

Link as above.


Who authorized all that activity? Are these instances when Mr. Bush and his minions did not seek FISA Court approval? Are these, and other instances of FISA and 4th Amendment violations the reason why the White House and John Bolton refused to answer the Congress on their requests for information regarding Bolton’s access to and use of NSA intercepts of communications among US citizens?

On May 25, 2005, Newsweek published an article entitled “Last-Minute Letter” that contained the following:

During the confirmation hearings of John Bolton as the U.S. representative to the United Nations, it came to light that the NSA had freely revealed intercepted conversations of U.S. citizens to Bolton while he served at the State Department …

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In his letter to the Foreign Relations Committee, Rockefeller indicated that he believes Bolton's use of the uncensored NSA information to congratulate a State Department official was "not in keeping" with Bolton's declaration to the NSA that he only wanted the censored information so he could better understand the meaning of the original intelligence report. Two congressional officials involved in Senate investigations of Bolton said that the underlying argument now being made by Bolton's critics was that if he was willing to ignore NSA rules and use uncensored NSA intercept information on Americans to congratulate someone, he might be equally willing to use similar top-secret information to undermine the work of a bureaucratic rival.

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7983335/site/newsweek


In an earlier Newsweek report by Mark Hosenball entitled “Spying: Giving Out U.S. Names” we find something of considerable importance about what Bolton may have been doing and why Bush would not want the FISA court in the loop:

According to information obtained by NEWSWEEK, since January 2004 NSA received—and fulfilled—between 3,000 and 3, 500 requests from other agencies to supply the names of U.S. citizens and officials (and citizens of other countries that help NSA eavesdrop around the world, including Britain, Canada and Australia) that initially were deleted from raw intercept reports. Sources say the number of names disclosed by NSA to other agencies during this period is more than 10,000. About one third of such disclosures were made to officials at the policymaking level; most of the rest were disclosed to other intel agencies and, perhaps surprisingly, only a small proportion to law-enforcement agencies.

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7614681/site/newsweek


Gov. Dean, if it was important to know the names of these US citizens for reasons of terror and other threats to our National Security, then why were only a few disclosures to law-enforcement agencies made? Just who are these US citizens and what use was made of the information gathered about them and, most importantly, what did Bolton, Bush, and other members of Bush’s administration do with all that information?

Gov. Dean, we have a self-confessed felon and self-confessed violator of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America in the White House. He and every minion who participated in these crimes against US citizens must be removed from their current positions and prosecuted.

Impeachment of Bush and Cheney is no longer a matter of who controls the Congress.

Articles of Impeachment must be used as the "America, Or Not?" litmus test of 2006 by which we determine those Members of Congress who uphold the law and defend the Constitution and those Members who do not.

We need to apply that "America, Or Not?" litmus test irrespective of it being an election year.

It is NOT a political stunt.

It is a diligent, robust mechanism by which we enable every American to evaluate how each Member of Congress adheres to the rule of law and their Oath of Office.

Thank you for your continued leadership,



Peace.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:52 PM
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1. kick... good stuff
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 05:11 PM
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2. "Blind to history, Bush accepted the arguments of his alpha-male ...
... Justice Department that Article 2 of the Constitution allows presidents to violate civil liberties in times of national emergency.

We have been down this unhappy road before.

Between 1952 and 1973, a series of US presidents, of both parties, authorized a secret CIA mail-opening program that systematically violated civil liberties.
US mail addressed to China or the Soviet Union was opened at CIA facilities in New York and San Francisco without any warrants. Known as HTLingual this program came to an end when Director of Central Intelligence William Colby undertook a housecleaning of the CIA's illegal programs. The public learned about the program the next year thanks to a front-page New York Times piece by Seymour Hersh. One key difference from the current political climate is that in the Cold War no one of consequence tried to argue that warrantless monitoring of Americans is legal. Participants in HTLingual understood that the program violated the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution (the unreasonable search and seizure amendment) and the Ford administration distanced itself from the program once it was revealed.

The revelations of HTLingual and the FBI's broad program of wiretapping members of the New Left and the civil rights movement led to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act system that President Bush today implied is too slow to deal with terrorists. Since 1978, when the FISA court opened, 19,000 requests for warrants have been made and only a handful rejected. The court meets in secret and theoretically around the clock and there is also a provision for retroactive warrants for fast-moving cases. The problem with FISA pre-9/11 was not the system itself but the way in which the FBI chose to use it. Under FISA, it is the FBI that must make formal requests for secret warrants. As the case of Zacharias Moussaoui made clear , FBI lawyers were more hesitant in requesting warrants for persons linked to terrorist organizations that did not have state sponsors, though the law permitted those warrants. Today the president assured Americans that all of the people monitored under the NSA program have links to al Qaeda, so a FISA warrant would be automatic for them, in any case.

The President has tried to defend the NSA program as a necessary tool in the war on Islamic extremism and criticizes the press for revealing this to our enemies. But the only way this secret program could be more effective against al Qaeda than the FISA system would be if al Qaeda had a mole reporting from within the FISA system or in the FBI on whose cellphones and email were being monitored. Meanwhile this secret program undermines the checks and balances that the Founders believed were essential for liberty. The HTLingual program ultimately opened the mail of Bella Abzug, Linus Pauling, John Steinbeck, Martin Luther King, Edward Albee and Hubert Humphrey: hardly potential Soviet agents. Indeed, the program did not identify a single Soviet agent in its twenty-one year run.

From Bush and the NSA spying scandal by Timothy Naftali on December 19, 2005

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-naftali/bush-and-the-nsa-spying-s_b_12552.html


Just a bit of history worth remembering ....


Peace.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 05:36 PM
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3. These types always believe they are exempt, don't they?
We need a smilie that shakes its head until the head falls off. :)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:17 PM
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7. So true. But, as I've noted elsewhere, even Nixon wasn't so arrogant ...
... as to go on TV/Radio and not only admit to being a multi-count felon, but also that he planned on committing even more crimes and Constitutional violations.

When the day comes that Bush, Cheney and all the minions who "followed orders" realize that Yoo's piece of paper from 9/25/01 is nothing more than the anti-Constitutional scribblings of a shyster on Bush's payroll ... umm, yep, we really do "need a smilie that shakes its head until it falls off"!!


Peace, my friend.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:11 PM
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4. Thanks for putting all this together.
Great resource for the letters, faxes and phone calls we're all making.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:18 PM
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5. Happy to contribute. Here's an update index to all the letters:
# 1 -- Dear Gov. Dean --- America, Or Not?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5531641

# 2 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush knows he's lying ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5541924

# 3 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Talk about extreme hiking …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5551415

# 4 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- About those “Niger forgeries” ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5560254

# 5 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- On Passing the "Nuremberg chalice" …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5568226

# 6 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Beyond a wall for “The Fallen Legion” …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5574037&mesg_id=5574037

# 7 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Let’s take Wally O’Dell at his word …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x404707

# 8 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “Making it up” … Must Be Stopped
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5593443&mesg_id=5593443

# 9 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Accumulated evil of the whole"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5601256&mesg_id=5601256

# 10 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Just dial 1-800-CALL-SPY ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5608382&mesg_id=5608382

# 11 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Same Intel as Congress," NOT ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5611041&mesg_id=5611041

# 12 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- On Concealing Crimes …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5608382&mesg_id=5615989

# 13 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- No One Is Above The Law In America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5630443&mesg_id=5630443

# 14 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Why did Bush violate FISA and the 4th Amendment?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5638345&mesg_id=5638345


Make use of them any way you consider appropriate.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:53 PM
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6. Bush's Big "Oopsie" and Some Hardcore Law
by The Crusty Bunker
Sun Dec 18, 2005 at 04:56:19 PM PDT

This is an amalgam of three lengthy comments I have posted in the past 24 hours plus new thoughts about the wiretap issue. I think what we have here is a GEN-yew-wine Constitutional Crisis. I haven't researched it down to the nub independently because I figure there's about a million lawyers -- like me -- and another twenty million non-lawyers doing that right now. But there are some things that I just know by experience and I'd like it acid-tested by the Kommunity.

Let's keep it real, real simple, mainly for me: we have what appears to be a clear violation of a federal statute. Not only that, we have what appears to be a clear admission of that violation by the Chief of State and a rather clear evidentiary trail. The statute itself provides this defense:

It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (a) of this section that the defendant was a law enforcement or investigative officer engaged in the course of his official duties and the electronic surveillance was authorized by and conducted pursuant to a search warrant or court order of a court of competent jurisdiction.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001809----000-.html


Of course, that lack of a warrant is the pervasive, and self-admitted, bugaboo of the White House and rather kills off this defense.

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Bottom line, Bush is screwed, and his staff is screwed, blued and tattooed. I'd be telling them to consider making their best possible deal right now. Of course, the criminal penalty is not all. There are civil penalties associated with this one, too. Anyone found to violate the statute has this going for them:

An aggrieved person, other than a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a) or (b)(1)(A) of this title, respectively, who has been subjected to an electronic surveillance or about whom information obtained by electronic surveillance of such person has been disclosed or used in violation of section 1809 of this title shall have a cause of action against any person who committed such violation and shall be entitled to recover --

(a) actual damages, but not less than liquidated damages of $1,000 or $100 per day for each day of violation, whichever is greater;

(b) punitive damages; and

(c) reasonable attorney's fees and other investigation and litigation costs reasonably incurred.


More at the link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/18/185619/70


Mail those checks to the ACLU today ...


Peace.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:26 PM
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8. Impeach Bush's Ass!
I suspect that they have probably been spying on me, since I frequent DU & strongly suspect that they monitor this site.
And I am *angry*! How dare they treat me like I'm some terrorist, & all because I hate their worthless war! I have *never* had any ties to terrorists! I would never do this to them because it would be a waste of time if I was trying to target al-Qaeda. I want Bush *gone*! Tomorrow wouldn't be soon enough for me. I despise people who dare to spy on me. Screw all of them! Impeach, impeach, impeach!:mad:

Tammy
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