Bush's numbers soaring. America deserves whatever happens with this

[cantstandbush]

administration in power. If they support Bush then they must reap the consequences without any pity.

[tuvor]

1. That's counter to the headlines I've been seeing today.

What source are you using?

EDIT: Check the homepage. Gallup says 56% disapproval.

[elaineb]

28. And wait until the news slowly filters into the consciousness

of the average American that their government might be watching their every move. *Some* are going to continue to say that it doesn't matter since THEY aren't doing anything illegal, but the vast majority of Americans still treasure their privacy and civil liberties no matter what the freeped polls are saying. So watch what happens as the new authoritative poll numbers come out. He's not only going to have lost any traction he gained over the last week, but I think he's going to tack on at LEAST another 5-10% disapproval compared to what it was before last week's "everything's coming up roses in Iraq" speeches. Obviously I hope his numbers sink even lower than that, but, unfortunately, I think we're all having to play a guessing game right now as to just how many kool-aid drinkers are living among us.

[RobinA]

38. Get Real

No one cares unless there's a tap on his/her phone. Bush just wanted to keep us safe from those eville Arabs. Only foreigners were spied on, says Cheney, and who cares about them, they aren't us. Ever try explaining a slippery slope to your average conservative? THEY DON'T GET IT. This story will sink like a stone. In fact, it already has.

[ladjf]

48. This story won't "sink like a stone" and it most definitely

has not as yet. It is almost the sole topic on all the news channels. Knowledgeable law experts are almost unanimous in the believe that Bush has personally broken a Federal law.

[villager]

2. "soaring?"

He's still under 50%, even in MSM polls...

[Doctor_J]

8. Um, that's up 10 pts in two weeks

I think that would qualify as soaring.

[villager]

20. no poll has him over 50%, some MSM polls as low as 41%

so I think that while there's a holiday lull/uptick in people thinking Bush is doing an "okay" job, we can stop panicking about "soaring" poll numbers...

...and the news ain't gonna get better for the Dauphin next year...

[...of J.Temperance]

26. I don't believe these new polls, the Bush bastards real poll number is

Between 20%-26%, I've said this for the past month and I'm sticking to it.

20%-26% the real poll number is in there someplace.

Just ask yourself, WHAT has the Bush bastard done in the last two weeks to go UP 10% in the polls?

Yeah...he's done NOTHING. It's just all spin, lies, propping up and fudge from the mediawhores.

[skipos]

31. 90% approved this chump after 9-11

and there are a many people would approve of him even if he started eating babies on TV. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think 40% approval sounds about right.

Also, keep in mind that about 45% of eligible Americans don't even vote. Americans ain't a bright bunch I tell ya.

[...of J.Temperance]

33. Yeah but this new poll isn't saying 40%...it's saying 47% which is just

A bunch of horsecrap, there's no way the idiot is on 47%.

He's fallen a long way since 9-11.

Skipos, you and I often agree about political stuff, but on this one...I'm sticking to my theory that the real poll numbers are somewhere between 20%-26% :)

American's ain't a bright bunch...but just enough of have been slapped upside the head, that they're waking up out of their slumber.

I should add that the 47% one I refer to is the Washington Post/ABC poll.

On Edit: Spelling error dammit.

[RobinA]

42. Nope

<<American's ain't a bright bunch...but just enough of have been slapped upside the head, that they're waking up out of their slumber.>>

No they aren't. I know many Bush supporters. None of them give a crap about any of this.

Iraq - the liberal media isn't reporting all the good things we've done.

Saddam - if he hadn't thrown the weapons inspectors out we wouldn't have had to attack to make sure he didn't have any weapons

New Orleans - Wal*Mart got trucks there when the government could not - privatize.

New Orleans II - thousands of welfare queens sitting in Baton Rouge in hotels not even looking for jobs.

Christmas - the ACLU liberals won't let god be mentioned in America (this from somebody who doesn't give two craps about god).

All this is what I can remember from a family dinner 2 days ago.

No one cares about no steenkin' warrantless wiretaps. Warrants are for sissy liberals.

[mwb970]

44. It was heartbreaking to see that 47% number on Countdown.

I hope it turns out not to be true. How could he get 47% at this point??

[okieinpain]

51. thank you.

[Doctor_J]

45. That's it

"It's just all spin, lies, propping up and fudge from the mediawhores"

The mouth-breathing Limbeciles in "middle America" eat that stuff up. If he puts on his flight suit again he'll be back in the 60's.

[okieinpain]

52. that's quite possible. when I see people post about being glad

bush got relected, i think about how stupid the american public is. a large number of people believe what they see on tv, and we all know who controls the boob tube.

[Halliburton]

40. American Research Group and gallup have him at 40%!

stagnant! WP is an errant poll

[Teaser]

3. got Crack?

share?

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. My father watched his speech last night. The first time he's ever seen

him speak, and had this to say,"This dumbass was re-elected." And I haven't seen the polls of which you speak. Most people I've talked with thought it was an odd, little, stilted propaganda piece...explaining nothing, and they want to hear more about the authorization for spying against "his Fellow Americans"....:shrug:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

22. Then check this out.

Poll: Bush's Approval Ratings Climb

http://abcnews.go.com/International/PollVault/story?id=1421748

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. "majority disapproval of his overall job performance"...I think I'm going

to go with "real" people. Thanks. :hi:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

43. Yeah, but the point is he actually got some uptick

from the stupid speach he did the other night. Americans have become so guliable.

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. I doubt that he really did.

:hi:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

47. Well now there is another poll out that said he didn't

so I guess I will just have to continue to watch and see how this develops.

[Birthmark]

5. A single poll is pretty meaningless.

Every poll has a margin of error. On top of that is that that MoE is usually published with 95% confidence. That means statistically that 1-in-20 polls will be wrong beyond the MoE. The WP poll stands out like a sore thumb compared with ALL the other polls. It may, therefore, be assumed to be wrong.

[Faux pas]

6. Source of the propaganda puleeze? n/t

[Heidi]

53. Welcome to DU!

Are you generally supportive of progressive ideals? :hi:

[Faux pas]

55. Thanks for the welcome Heidi! I generally support truth and

freedom and anything left of the dial.

[Teaser]

7. 41%=soaring?

according to CNN/Gallup today.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Soaring? Not so much.

http://americanresearchgroup.com /

"Among Americans registered to vote, 41% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 56% disapprove. When it comes to the way Bush is handling the economy, 37% of registered voters approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 59% disapprove."

[McCamy Taylor]

10. I think he meant "souring".

[linazelle]

16. Yep. Lots of misspelling on DU these days.

:silly:

[WilliamPitt]

11. Dead wrong

Crazy wrong.

Turn off your TV. Back away.

===

Iraq speeches, election don't help Bush
New poll: A majority doesn't approve of his handling of Iraq

Monday, December 19, 2005; Posted: 5:22 p.m. EST (22:22 GMT)

CNN -- President Bush's approval ratings do not appear to have changed significantly, despite a number of recent speeches he's given to shore up public support for the war in Iraq and its historic elections on Thursday.

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/index.html

[Parche]

13. Mr Pitt

You are wrong again...according to FOX news GW Bush's ratings are 100%

[WilliamPitt]

15. How silly of me.

[kstewart33]

12. washington post/abc has him at 47%.

Notably, the poll included data through Sunday night, making it more up-to-date than the ARG and Gallup polls that have him at 41. Translation--he got a bump from the speech. Question--how long will it last? My hunch--if Fitz indicts, not long.

[Teaser]

19. You have your dates off...

Gallup went from 16-18.

WaPo poll went from 15-18.

Both include post-speech data.

Given other polls, WaPo looks like an outlier.

[Old and In the Way]

25. dead chimp bounce. nt

[AlamoDemoc]

14. There is nothing soaring about * numbers

other than the Corporate media whores wanting to manipulate the average Joe six pack who has no clue what is taken place in this country.

[peacetalksforall]

17. If his numbers are soaring it means we must divide the country

officially, formally, and without blood shed. We can no longer live together. I was raised with different lessons from the people who continue to BOW TO HIM.

They can fight all the wars they want with their children and elect an entire century of idiot criminals.

[SmokingJacket]

18. Er... the minority of Americans support him, even if the numbers

are soaring... which they aren't. 41% is way less than half, and that's a very highball number.

MOST of us do NOT support him, and we should not reap *any* consequences.

[Individualist]

21. soaring?

:rofl:

What is your source? Faux news?

[Cleita]

23. They aren't the only ones who suffer. How about those

of us who don't support him and still have to suffer?

[MichiganVote]

27. This asshole is the same ZERO he has always been

[Tom Joad]

29. This will change shortly. People will again make a more

reality based assessment of Iraq, Rove is due to indicted, and more... we can expect more shit to happen.

[selliott05]

30. Whatever.

They don't matter, these polls. The most important thing for us, progressives, i still prefer liberal, but we must always remember, that next campaign and election, that we have to issues to solve. The Republicans may have all these problems, but if we don't offer the solutions to them it doesn't matter. If his polls are soaring that means that the American's peoples' views and minds' were shaken; not switched. For these polls to even matter we must offer plans for solving them. We can point them out all we want, but if we can offer solutions to them it means nothing. Plus, we can't offer these utopian solutions, we need realistic ones, a great member of our party, John F. Kennedy said, "I am an idealist, but without illusions," we offer all these solutions, but they come out of dystopian novels that can't be used, not here, not now. Also, we must offer a decent candidate, they offering up of the East Coast Idealist, must stop; now. Before we make more mistakes, I supported John Kerry, whole heartedly, but that was because he was my party's candidate, not because I thought he was the best man for the job. We need to put for the man who his left-moderate. Left enough, for the left to be happy, and moderate enough to take the right vote. We need a man who can take the same stance as Clinton did on abortion, "safe, sterile and rare" sure, yes abortion would be great if it wasn't banned. But we all know it's a bad thing. It should be our stance that it's bad, but it's also an inevitability, so we should take Clinton's route. So basically, we need a red stater who's homely... when you think about it, we need Clinton, not Hilary, she's more right, actually a little too far right and she'll lose some democratic vote just because of that and they'll move on to the reform vote.

[pretzel4gore]

41. you know, once we get control, we can hunt them down like dogs?

what i'm saying is they hated clinton, despite the fact clinton was the best thing most of them (nazipoohs, or bushviks, or gopgs, or whatever they call themselves nowadays) could possibly want. and the hate for bill wasn't just pretend; they loathed clinton with an almost ulcer making intensity (even today, on hate radio, the mention of clinton causes the bile in their hearts to spew forth!)...what this says is that there is a very powerful element in this society that, to say it plain, hates us, and the hate has been nurtured by almost 1/4 century of constant winnings (which, normally, should take the edge off, but it doesn't, it just makes it less satisfying) bush hates us too, and that's what we're dealing with. in order to satisfy that hate (consider new orleans; is the usa the USA w/out New Orleans? no, and does this upset the bushviks? no it doesn't....why? because the USA with a vibrant, easy going NEW ORLEANS is precisely what they hate!)
the american people are gonna turn on bush and all his minions, ass kissers, sycophants, his 'conga line of sukkholes' etc....just watch.
then we hunt them all down. like dogs, terrorists, and finish them off.....

[chknltl]

54. welcome to DU selliott05

curious name. Before I offer a welcome :toast: to any newcommers I always check their ID first.

[MaineDem]

32. Can you back up your use of the term "soaring"?

Where are the numbers?

[Rocknrule]

34. "The president's spying on us! Yay!"

"The president thinks he's a king! The president is taking away our freedoms! The president is trying to destroy the world! Yay! Thank God we have such a strong leader! 4 more years! 4 more years! 4 MORE YEARS!"

Goddammit, why are Americans such FUCKING IDIOTS???????
:argh:

[shance]

35. The Media Industrial Complex monitors the poll votes, does it not?

Therefore, they can alter the polling results to create the outcome for the American public.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. In My Opinion You Deserve It More Than They

There are some hard core shrub supporters, sure. But many are still just quite simply uninformed and unaware. They are poor. Poor does not just mean financially inept. Someone can be poor intellectually as well, or poor with awareness, or poor with insight. Much of America is still poor. You can either be a true patriot and hero and do your best to save them from the flood waters, or you can stand there and watch them drown while shouting "that's what you get for living in a house in a flood zone". Hope ya get the analogy.

Me? I'm going to do my best to not only save myself and my family, but also my country and those other poor souls in it that have no idea the floods are on their way, thank you.

[Ksec]

37. Its sad to think so many can be swayed by speeches

Apparently actions arent necessary. Just go to the sheeple and make up a bunch of garbage about the war and WALLAH Instant poll numbers.

I generally like to keep a positive attitude towards the state of this country but I dont really have anything positive to say. I love the country but the people have changed for the worse in my opinion. They sit back and vote against their best interests , they fall for propaganda and soundbites. They seem to enjoy being mislead

[prolesunited]

39. Funny how the author of this thread

seems to have posted such a bogus subject heading and then never responds on his own thread.

[ladjf]

49. Bush may have picked up a few points as a result of an all out

media blitz during the past two weeks. But, he can't continue to make speeches every other day and expect them to keep his ratings up.

[Oilwellian]

50. After edging above 40%, it fades again (Zogby)

President Bush’s job approval rating languishes under 40%, despite an upturn in the economy and a public relations onslaught defending the role of the U.S. military in rebuilding Iraq, a new telephone poll by Zogby International shows.

Just 38% of Americans said they approve of the job the President is doing, down from 41% in a national Zogby America survey conducted last month.

The survey showed Mr. Bush is most popular in the western United States, where 46% approve of the job he is doing, and the South, where 44% approve. Just 28% in the East and 37% in the Midwest and Great Lakes states give him good marks.

People were less critical of the President personally. Asked whether they had a favorable overall impression of Mr. Bush, 49% agreed, including 58% of westerners and 56% of southerners.

Mr. Bush won re-election last year with solid support among those who live in “red” states, but 55% who live there now said he was doing only a fair or poor job. Just 31% of those living in a politically “blue” state approved of his performance in this latest survey.

Mr. Bush still has problems with much of his political base. While 85% who consider themselves “very conservative” say he is doing a good job, just 73% of “conservatives” gave him good marks – this as he has taken recent steps to burnish his conservative credentials. While he won re-election last year with the support of 91% of Republicans, just 77% of GOPers now approve of his performance. Just 11% of Democrats approve, and only one in four independents (24%) approve.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1049