Bush Says God Chose Him To Lead His Nation

[DUreader]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1076026,00.html




Book reveals how President's religious and
political beliefs are entwined - and claims he
did pray with Blair

Paul Harris in New York
Sunday November 2, 2003
The Observer

President George W. Bush stood before a
cheering crowd at a Dallas Christian youth centre
last week, and told them about being 'born again'
as a Christian.

'If you change their heart, then they change their
behaviour. I know,' he said, referring to his own
conversion, which led to him giving up drinking.

Behind Bush were two banners. 'King of Kings',
proclaimed one. 'Lord of Lords', said the other.
The symbolism of how fervent Christianity has
become deeply entwined with the most powerful
man on the planet could not have been stronger.

Few US Presidents have been as openly religious
as Bush. Now a new book has lifted the lid on how
deep those Christian convictions run. It will stir up
controversy at a time when the administration is
keen to portray its 'war on terror' as
non-religious.


La_Serpiente (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:29 PM
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1. Wholly shit



I really think his supporters feel that he will lead to the second coming of Christ.


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tom_paine (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:32 PM
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3. Revelations does say the AntiChrist will be believed by all to be Godly



I never really bought that stuff before, but doesn't Emperor Bunnypants* simply fit that prophesy to a
tee?

Bunnypants* is the closest thing to the AntiChrist I have seen during my lifetime.

John Wilkes Booth -- The First Freeper


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flamingyouth (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:31 PM
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2. Could I possibly be more frightened by these statements?



No, I think not.

Read William Rivers Pitt's "The Revolution Was Not Televised" for more along these lines.

"Wolfowitz wasn't physically harmed but he did lose two cowls and a pitchfork in the attack." - Barry Crimmins


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TennesseeWalker (647 posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:33 PM
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4. I love Opus.



We need Berkely Breathed to bring back Bloom County. Bill the Cat would surely be a candidate in
2004.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."


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kodi (835 posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:34 PM
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5. look out world he's on a mission from God, just like jake and elwood.



king of kings? sounds more much more like king lear to me.

“There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home.” John Stuart
Mill


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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:34 PM
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6. Not LBN... locking



Unfortunately, George W. Bush's feelings of divinity are well-known to us all, and this article does not
meet the criteria for posting in the Latest Breaking News Forum.

Please feel free to start a new discussion about the perceived holiness of the President in the General
Discussion Forum, or you could also post the Guardian's book review in the Editorials & Other Articles
Forum.

Thanks!
VolcanoJen (who was not chosen by God to be a moderator, I assure you)
DU Moderator

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I don't think that I'm afraid anymore, say that I would rather die trying...
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pinkpops (103 posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:35 PM
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7. I think this is more likely



http://www.counterpunch.org/wormer1011.html

he's just a "dry drunk" He didn't change, he just morphed.

pinkpops


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laruemtt (294 posts)
Sat Nov-01-03 08:35 PM
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8. is this the same christianity



i always thought said, thou shalt not kill, turn the other cheek, don't lie, don't steal, don't covet
money (greed), etc., etc., etc.? guess there have been some amendments since the original? hmmm....
how DOES he reconcile this in his mind (oh - guess i answered that one myself - WHAT mind?).

[the_real_38]

1. Well, I'll give him this...

... it was either god or the devil.

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. As an Irishman named Paul Hewson once said....

"the God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister!..."

And with Dip W Shit Jr, it's ALL about "Show Me the Money". Show me the tax cuts for billionaires. Show me 87 Billion for Dick Cheney's retirement fund. Show me how to turn a huge surplus into the biggest deficit in this country's history in 2 years.

I think this firmly establishes Junior's allegiance to the South.

The DEEP South, that is :evilgrin:

[VolcanoJen]

2. Thanks so much for reposting this, DUReader.

Good stuff in here!!

:-)
VolcanoJen

[DUreader]

3. No Prob. Though I don't see why it is not LBN

It is LBN on the Guardian Website.

No Big Deal, happens every so often.

[wildmanj]

4. Appointed to lead by God

or 5/4 by the U.S. Supreme (Political) Court---by chance if that bunch is going to heaven i'm putting in for a transfer to that other realm

[Submariner]

5. I find those kind of beliefs in make believe spirits

much more terrifying than the present terrorist threat.

There is absolutley not once smidgen of proof of any kind of a higher-power god, and for a person with his finger poised over the nuclear button while living in a fantasy world of rapture and apocalypse I find as absolutely astounding in 2003.

It confirms that Bush is not in touch with reality.

[colorado_ufo]

16. Anything that can be proved by the laws of the physical world

can also be disproved by those same laws - that is why it is an act of futility to try for physical proof of spiritual matters. Personally, I believe in God, as the order and logic of the universe and the complexity of life seem to me to be a reasonable indicators of an overall intelligent design far beyond human or alien capability.

That being said, I think that Bush's religious "faith" is merely an extension of his own ego. In other words, a crock of shit. Not to mention the fact that I am BEYOND sick of the not-so-subliminal messages that always appear behind him: "Mission Accomplished," Power Point shows, and now "King of Kings" and "Lord of Lords."

The mind reels.

[RC]

6. Even the voices in bu$h's head lie...

[snippy]

28. Very good.

[HEyHEY]

7. Born again? AHyes the best way to make folks forget about the blow

You know who used to be chosen by god...kings. Havewe really regressed that much. Not t metion...read the bible all that stuff about the least of my brethern ...if god was gonna pick a leader..do you think it would be a repuke?

[camero]

19. I think we need to show him something

Like, um, the Magna Carta. And the US Constitution.

[Woodstock]

8. if God chose the president, then God chose Al Gore

not Bush

[many a good man]

9. Ya think God wudda won him the election fair and square

God sure moves in mysterious ways...Not much mystery W's moves, though.

[HawkerHurricane]

10. Bush's blasphemy

He thinks Antonio Scalia is god!

[LibertyorDeath]

11. The man * is a complete wack job.

Did you catch the fake press conference last week.

His contempt for the press is palpable he is everything a President should not be He is the un-president

The god shtick is for the fundies that love him and all he has done to further their narrow minded bigotry and hatred.

The man is a fool, but after looking at Babs bush Who can really blame him for wanting to be Born again.

Not that it helped.

He will always be the Idiot Son of an a$#hole.

[Tatiana]

13. Maybe G-d did choose him to lead this nation... to teach us a lesson.

Never to vote for Republicans again.

[Mz Pip]

14. If God picked Bush

then surely Bush doesn't need to raise 200 million to finance his campaign. God will make it happen. He can run for free.


MzPip
:dem:

[PurityOfEssence]

15. That does it: this god guy's just nothing but trouble.

What say we just get rid of him, huh?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

17. Check Out This Incredible Bush Photo!

Unfortunately, I do not know how to integrate photos into these messages, but it's from Yahoo! and shows Bush photographed in a way that a holy crown appears above his head with the words "Lord". I assume that it was taken while he was speaking at one of these Evangelical revival meetings he is so fond of, like the ones described in the article.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031030/480/cdh10310300210

[rasputin1952]

18. I tried to get that pic over here...

but no dice.

In any case, whoever took that, with the crown, Lord and the Cross in there, is really messing with something they don't want to mess with.

Are we suppose to correlate this with some kind of Messianic message about bush? If anything, he is the wolf in wolf's clothing. The only thing sheepish about him, is his IQ.

O8)

[arikara]

21. Here you go

Just right click on the image and select properties to find the url of the pictures. Then paste the link on your message and voila.

Here's another of my favorites, from that awful presidential prayer team site.



They say... Someone sent us this amazing photo that graphically illustrates an angel watching over our troops.

The C-130 transport plane uses flares to protect itself from heat-seeking missiles. This rare photo shows how the pattern of the flares forms an angel. What a great portrait of God’s protection!

edited to fix caption

[FDRrocks]

20. Bush is a psychopath.

He is. He has a mandate from a non-existent being.

God told me to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. And to be a violent asshole. Yea, George, whatever.

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Exactly!

"He has a mandate from a non-existent being. Exactly what I was thinking. Bush* is looney toons.

[rasputin1952]

22. If we take this to it's natural conclusion...

then God chose every leader throughout history.

Therefore, The Germans were required, by Biblical Edict, to follow Hitler into a new type of hell. The French were to follow Napolean, and the Romans were to follow Caesar. This means, that the countries conquered by these powers were also divinely required to follow the leadership of the conquerers. So, there is no free will, there is no place for humans to select those we would have lead? :scared:

I guess the RWnut's and the Religious Right forgot this when they assaulted Bill Clinton with a myriad of bogus charges, in an attempt to depose a leader, "chosen by God". :wow:

Once again, the 'pick and choose' religious zealots have gone over the top. :eyes:

The hypocrisy is so blatant, it can be tasted. :puke:

:kick:

[drdigi420]

23. another reason to dump bush

bush is religious

religion is evil

bush uses religion to rationalize bad policy

therefore

bush is evil

[MessiahRp]

24. I dunno about you guys but...

My God didn't vote for Bush either. Whatever God is instructing Bush, has it all wrong. The real God should demand a better recount.

Rp

[dArKeR]

25. Bush: God chose me - MG

President George W. Bush stood before a cheering crowd at a Dallas Christian youth centre last week, and told them about being 'born again' as a Christian.

'If you change their heart, then they change their behaviour. I know,' he said, referring to his own conversion, which led to him giving up drinking.

Behind Bush were two banners. 'King of Kings', proclaimed one. 'Lord of Lords', said the other. The symbolism of how fervent Christianity has become deeply entwined with the most powerful man on the planet could not have been stronger.

Few US Presidents have been as openly religious as Bush. Now a new book has lifted the lid on how deep those Christian convictions run. It will stir up controversy at a time when the administration is keen to portray its 'war on terror' as non-religious.

http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=22981

[ComerPerro]

26. Yeah, right, he gave up drinking

Probably right around the same time he gave up lying and stealing.

[FlyByNight]

27. Divine Right of Kings?

Puh-leeze. Dubya can thank the Supreme Court for his presidency, not some deity. He's ignorant and delusional. :eyes:

[0rganism]

29. Apparently God once again wishes to punish His Nation

:freak:

Lament. Surely, God could have sent us a plague of locusts or frogs to show His Infinite Discontent. God could afflict us with oozing sores and misfortunes, as He did to prove Job's faith. Instead, He has appointed a "leader" sufficiently unfit to destroy any nation in recorded history.

I have nothing else to say. Such madness defies description.

[snippy]

30. Bush's God also tells him who to kill AND wants him to win in 2004.

From an article quoting former (and short term) Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas:

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

I find it amusing, although very disturbing, that Bush believes that his God wants him to work on peace in the Middle East, but only until it is time to spend his time on his campaign. Bush's God has some seriously fucked up values.

[Malva Zebrina]

31. gods have always inspired leaders

if not outright became leaders. Caesar was a god, the Pope has a one way ticket to the god, actually becoming a god when he speaks as the god told him so as he becomes infallible, pagan gods assumed human form and walked around the earth, so whoever had the brilliant notion to market Bush in that way is an absolute genius--the meme for accepting a leader, King, Lord or president has already been established in the minds of religious people--I do not, in spite of all the publicity, think Bush is religious at all--I think this is more propaganda designed to sell an image--someone saw the benefit to it--people will believe Bush is a god, or speaks for a god. He has successfully become the spokesperson for Christianity--like it or not. Brilliant propagandist strategy.

That picture of Bush in the Dallas church reminds me of the medieval picture I saw of Basil II, the Bulgar slayer. In that Byzantine painting, Jesus is handing down a crown from heaven over the head of Basil, who is all dressed up in his military garb, and an angel is crowning him with the divine crown--another angel is handing Basil a pike or a sword and under his platform there are many writhing and suffering human beings.

[farmbo]

32. Then his God must be ...Antonin Scalia

:grr:

[T_i_B]

33. And yet more lies by Blair exposed?

"Among Mansfield's revelations is his insistence that Bush and Tony Blair have prayed together at a private meeting at Camp David. Blair has previously denied this.

Mansfield, however, says that, while there were no witnesses, aides were left in little doubt as to what had happened. He told The Observer: 'There is no question they have shared scripture and prayed together."

Tony Blair was asked if he prayed with Bush by Jeremy Paxman in the run up to the invasion of Iraq and he said he didn't pray with Bush. Now was Blair telling porkies on that one too?

[snippy]

34. Bush and Blair exposed.