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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:27 PM
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When will the hate stop?
I'm sorry but someone that does something like this in God's name should burn in eternal hell.

From The Advocate

Phelps plans "Shepard went to hell" monuments nationwide


Fred Phelps, antigay pastor at Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., announced plans Wednesday to place monuments denouncing slain gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard in cities and towns across the nation. The monument, which proclaims that Shepard is in hell, will be placed in cities that have Ten Commandments monuments on display in publicly owned facilities, Phelps said. "We are going to pockmark this nation from sea to shining sea with this message on the monument: 'Matthew Shepard entered hell October the 12th, 1998, at age 21 in defiance of God's warning, Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination--Leviticus 18:22,'" Phelps said in a telephone interview. "That is the message this nation needs, whether it knows it or not or whether it wants it or not. And that's the message we are determined the nation is going to receive."

http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=10354&sd=11/01/03-11/03/03
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:31 PM
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1. if there is one thing I believe it is that we can not know the fate
of any person's "afterlife". But I am willing to speculate that where Phelps is going there will be no Angels Choir.

Or it may be that his most beloved grandson will come out and make it hell for him on earth. I can dream can't I?
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:31 PM
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2. When people start to understand this
"I can't be what I want to be until you can be what you ought to be."
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:32 PM
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3. I'm certain that a reasoned appeal to Phelps wouldn't work.
Options?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:37 PM
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5. a punch in the stomach?
:shrug:
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:41 PM
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6. Whatever works.
The skull is too thick to penetrate.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:51 PM
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11. Got any money?
We could follow Phelps around erecting our monuments using any number of the impossibly out-dated "sins" of Leviticus to justify why Phelps is going to hell. (Has he ever eaten a corn dog or worn a poly-cotton blend shirt?)

OR

One who can show some harm from this, perhaps even an organization representing gay people at large, could sue Phelps for defamation. Make him prove in a court of law that Matthew went to hell.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:32 AM
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15. You remind me of the Southern Poverty Law
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 10:37 AM by ForestsBeatBushes
Center's lawsuit against the KKK.

If you are serious about desiring a lawsuit, a letter of explanation (probably not much needed to this organization) sent to The Legal Department at http://www.splcenter.org might just do the trick.

As for the "monument" regarding Matthew Shepherd, I want that gone.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:37 AM
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16. Never mind.
I just sent them a detailed "contact form request" and will advise anyone who PMs me of any info I receive in response.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 11:01 PM
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12. Option
write a satire about creepy nimrod Phelps and his crew.

Have it become a darkly uproarious hit movie.

Have it become a long-running series on HBO where week after week the Phelpser's are revealed to be the seething,perverted and dangerous wack-jobs they are.

...Thy will be done...
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 11:05 PM
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14. "Hell House" was as close as we've come.
http://www.hellhousemovie.com/

And since it only played at the local "art" theatres and festivals I'm not so sure it'll work. Unless of course it's like "Roger and Me" I suppose...
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HPLeft Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:35 PM
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4. Not until the religious fanatics...
...blow up the planet, in the name of their incredibly subjective conception of God/Goddess.
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BadFaith Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:42 PM
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7. Before anyone responds...
Read This.

Fred Phelps is not merely a fringe nut, he is a dangerous lunatic who has subjected his own family, as well as others, to decades of grotesque emotional and physical abuse, beating his thirteen children mercilessly, and in public, at ages as early as five months old. There is also the subject of Phelps' complicity in the suicide of one Debbie Valgos, the former fiancee of his eldest son.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:43 PM
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8. Hate has been here for thousands of years
It's not going away any time soon.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:49 PM
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10. Why?
Can't we just say enough is enough and we are not going to take it any more.

Won't you all join me and just say no! The more people that just say no instead of turning the other cheek will make a difference. confront it denounce it, we can make a difference and we can start now!!!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 10:45 PM
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9. Never
Humans are messy critters, that's why we banded together and came up with laws: to protect ourselves from them. Humanity is capable of transcendent ethical beauty and fiendishness; the species is only somewhat perfectable, and that's just about that. That's why Communism failed: we is what we is; there's no "uberduberman" to be developed.

It's sad.

Religion just allows cover for the ugliness.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 11:04 PM
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13. The hate will not stop
But sadly peace, sanity and civilization is only reclaimed from times like this by hard sacrifices from people who care.
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