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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:05 AM
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They are confiscating reporter's film???? (CNN now!)
A reporter on CNN is saying that they have been confiscating reporters tapes. Did I hear that correctly? Is anyone else watching?

This is absolutely outrageous!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:07 AM
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1. You heard right
And the reporters are no longer allowed to speak to soldiers.

Don

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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:56 PM
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31. CNN, BS-RNC and 19th Century Fox too busy talking about what matters...
1) Kobe, the Big Black Boogeyman;

2) Scott Peterson, the Big White Boogeyman;

3) Robert Blake's Handyman let off the hook;

4) Pee Wee's Kiddy Porn Case;

5) Jeffrey Jones Kiddy Porn Case;

6) Is Bob Goen's House saved from the Wildfires;

oh need I go on?????

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:26 PM
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39. What????
No "It's Clinton's fault!"?

They must be slipping.

MzPip
:dem:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:07 AM
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2. aljazeera.net
should have the videos up soon.. I cannot undertsnad what they are saying, but they have video of the al rashid hotel attack that we never saw.

Our version was very "sanitary"..
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:26 AM
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6. This was on this site very early this morning. 13 dead
I looked every place else. Looks like they had it right long before anyone else.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:07 AM
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22. Can anybody help me out???
Is there a plug-in or a patch that can translate aljazeera.net for me?

My Arabic is a little rough, you know?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:12 AM
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23. Your Arabic is sheik-y?
:shrug:
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:56 PM
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30. Try this for al-jazeera...
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 02:56 PM by Hand
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:16 PM
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32. The english version has no video clips and few pictures
The original site is where you will find pictures of what's going on there..you really do not need to understand the language to see what's going on there..:(

look for the little video symbol, and start clicking.. under properties (right click) you can sometimes get english
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:11 AM
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3. So Much For The Iraqi "Free Press"
The other day one of this regime's lackey's was interviewed about that claim of hundreds of new newspapers that have sprung up around the "new" Iraq. The toadie admitted that most were either religious "papers" (newsletters) or from unknown publishers (rebels, "terrorists", who knows).

This regime's total disdain for our soldiers and their families...especially to keep news from really getting out, is a story that needs to find its way around this regime's filter.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:19 AM
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4. SOMEONE somewhere not has to step up and tell these bastards
that the American people are paying for this war, the American people are sending their children to fight this war, so the American people have a right to know exactly what is going on. NO MORE of their news blackouts, no more of this "we're doing such a great job" crap.

SOMEONE needs to ask these liars and thugs who got us into this mess for the names of their children, grandchildren, neices and nephews, fathers and mothers, who are stuck over there fighting for corporate interests.

Maybe now, with their cameras and film being confiscated by the people who want to pretend that this is such a "good thing", maybe now the media will develop a conscience and begin to realize just how complicit they are in this horrible crime. Or I'd even settle for the media getting angry simply because they're losing the opportunity for the big stories. We still have the foreign press, we'll get the news. They can't hide this like they think they can. We are fighting in a part of the world that has access to this information. And above all, we have the internet. So they can try to keep the news under control, but it won't work.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:20 AM
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5. Add to your list the sham "presidential press conferences"
The press should be pissed off. Add to that the trademark hectoring and badgering experienced at the mouth of Ari the Liar Fleischer, and the press should be pissed off. When will they react?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:07 AM
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10. They will not react, IMHO. They have been "brought into line".
Gleitschlaung is what teh Nazis called it. It wouldn't surprise me if the Busheviks also called it that in private.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 04:07 PM
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34. unfortunately
when they DO step up, they usually end up DEAD.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:37 AM
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7. And where's W in the middle of all this?
Sleeping off last night's hangover?

Anyone want to take bets about how many hours it will take to get him ready to make a statement?

In the meantime, since SAIC can't get a government controlled media up and running, real reporters will have to be muffled a little better.

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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:45 AM
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9. "they hate us for our freedoms, they love terra"
"Look at all the progress we've made"
"We won't back down"
"These killers-sh will be brought to justice"

Blah, blah, blah

Bushbot "official" statement.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:40 AM
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8. What will it tell our rulers if
(a) the reporters don't raise holy hell about this and/or
(b) the people don't raise holy hell?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:32 AM
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11. Here's a couple of the pics
that they would rather we didn't see this morning. Maybe some folks can save these, Yahoo doesn't archive their photos, so these links will go away in a few days, if not sooner.



U.S. soldiers carry a stretcher at the scene after a U.S. Chinook helicopter, center, believed carrying dozens of soldiers to leaves abroad was struck by a missile and crashed west of Baghdad, near Fallujah, Sunday, Nov. 2, 2003, killing 13 soldiers and wounding more than 20 others, the U.S. command and witnesses reported. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)





U.S. Army troops search a crash site where a Chinook helicopter crashed into a field near the restive town of Falluja November 2, 2003. Guerrillas shot down the U.S. Chinook helicopter as it flew toward Baghdad airport, killing at least 13 soldiers in the bloodiest single attack on occupying troops since Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was overthrown. Photo by Akram Saleh/Reuters REUTERS/Akram Saleh




U.S. soldiers carry a stretcher to the scene after a U.S. Chinook helicopter (on the right) believed carrying dozens of soldiers to leaves abroad was struck by a missile and crashed west of Baghdad, near Fallujah, Sunday, Nov 2, 2003, killing 13 soldiers and wounding more than 20 others, the U.S. command and witnesses reported. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


In two of these photos troops are carrying out one of the dead.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:34 AM
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12. Proof we are winning!
Up is down!
Black is white!
Death is Victory!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:37 AM
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13. bbc is reporting 15 dead

An American military helicopter has been shot down in Iraq, leaving 15 soldiers killed and more than 20 wounded. The aircraft was one of two Chinook helicopters flying about 60 troops from a US military base to Baghdad International Airport. Caroline Hawley reports from Baghdad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/narrowband/static/audio_video/avconsole/ukfs/f_news_console.stm
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:24 AM
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14. Yes, and our armed forces have murdered journalists and CNN
knows it and they still whore for the Bush Admin.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:17 AM
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24. The tide will turn, trust me!
....and when it does, watch out!!
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jarab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:41 AM
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15. kick !! n/t
...O...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:43 AM
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16. kick
:kick:
for the kids who have died for nothing but greedy bastards.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:47 AM
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17. In this movie that is in my sig line...
...there's a scene where CNN interviews the coup leaders who have ALREADY been run out of the presidential palace by loyal troops while there are millions of Chavez supporters in the streets around the palace. CNN lets the coup leader talk about how they're still in control and how the streets are calm.

Satan's building an addition in hell to make space for all the reporters and editors who are going to end up in hell in the next 70 years.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:47 AM
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18. Link to transcript
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/02/bn.01.html

<snip>SAN MIGUEL: Well, Jane, I'm sure that the folks that are upset there are the U.S. military, officials who are investigating this attack. Have you had a chance to talk to any of them? I know that they're keeping you far away from the crash site and may not have had a lot of time to give you any kind of official statements or anything like that. But have you been able to gauge anything about heir demeanor or whatever?

ARRAF: Well, they're reluctant to talk here, Renay. In fact, they've been confiscating film. They've threatened to confiscate ours and everyone else's, which is why we're on this rooftop of a private home.

Officials here are understandably nervous. There aren't any senior people on the ground. When these things happen, they generally do not make statements. And, in fact, they're forbidden to talk.

This has become a climate over the last few months where it's very difficult to get information from the military on the ground either because they've been forbidden to talk or they have been ordered that no one is allowed to take pictures. And increasingly, what we're seeing in sites like this, and even in Baghdad, is that it has become the kind of place where you cannot -- you are not free to take pictures, you're not free to talk to soldiers.

They are extremely nervous given these continuing attacks. And it's reflected here -- Renay.

more

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:24 PM
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38. I got a screen grab of the part where Jane Arraf discusses it...
...just in case.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:58 AM
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19. Have you noticed the news blackout from Iraq the past few hrs?
Jane Arraf was in Fallujah broadcasting within a mile of the crash site (on a rooftop to avoid getting her tape confiscated). I haven't seen her in a few hours now...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:04 AM
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20. The Pentagon doesn't want us to see what they are doing to the village
near the crash site. Perhaps we are using bulldozers, or perhaps we are doing to the village what the Nazis did to Lidice:

* Lidice - Czech mining village ( population near 700 ). In reprisal for the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich, the Nazis "liquidated" the village in 1942. They shot the men, deported the women and children to concentration camps, razed the village to the ground, and struck its name from the maps. After the second World War, a new village was built near the site of the old Lidice, which is now a national park and memorial.

http://cghs.dade.k12.fl.us/holocaust/heydrich.htm
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:20 AM
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25. What kind of argument is that?
You just link two things arbitrarily, with the craven modifier "perhaps"? Pretty shoddy, IG.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:53 AM
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26. This week, the Senate majority leader advocated an act of genocide...
...right in public, as though it was something to be proud of.

Trent Lott said, "If we have to, we just mow the whole place down, see what happens."

I don't know that the linkage is so arbitrary anymore.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:46 PM
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27. kick
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:25 PM
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28. It's comments like Lott's that make me think IG may not be off the mark NT
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:17 PM
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35. kick! n/t
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 11:05 AM
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21. Think of it as "cleaning the filter"
The govt. is taking a reporter's film? Well that sounds kinda, umm, negative.

Since our fearless leader tells us we should concentrate on happy news, why not think of this as some brave soldier "cleaning the filter" rather than stifling the press.

Thank god the adults are in charge now. Move on.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:42 PM
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29. and...
...CNN has finished with Lacy Peterson and now is on to Denzel Washington. Half an hour so far.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:38 PM
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33. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
:mad:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:30 PM
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36. Media: Got Spine ???
With the Plame leak that may have violated national security laws and put the nation at risk, no effort is made to force reporters to disclose their sources ... the message is that freedom of the press needs to be respected especially if disclosures might reflect badly on bush and his cronies ...

And then, when our soldiers are killed in combat, freedom of the press is cast out the window ... "prior restraint" of the press must only be invoked by court order and then only if proof is given of the most dire national emergency ... no such standard has been met here ...

This is controlled media plain and simple ... I hope the Iraqis bush claims he wants to liberate understand just how quickly those freedoms can disappear ... how can we bring democratic freedoms to Iraq while we regularly curtail them for political gain here at home ...

Every news outlet in the U.S. should "go negative" on bush ... this represents a direct frontal assault on one of the cornerstones of our democracy ... Maybe we should start a campaign to put the pictures of some of the better known newspeople on milk cartons ... the caption could read: Got Spine ???
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 08:32 PM
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37. Goebbels take on this
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.
-Dr. Joseph M. Goebbel, Hitler's Propaganda Minister.
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