What IS It With Repukes And Abortion??

[mermaid]

I don't get it. Now, conservo-creeps here in Austin are protesting and trying to stop the building of a new Planned Parenthood facility.

I don't get the Repukes, I really don't....
They are so vehement about "protecting the unborn" BUT...
the second you ARE born, they give you a giant middle finger!!

What's up with that?

I mean, seriously? There are millions of children without healthcare, so the Repukes cut even more funding from CHIP programs.
They cut off food stamps and welfare and funding for foster-care programs and for institutions that handle orphanned kids.

I don't get it. They claim to be "pro-life" yet almost every action they take seems decidedly anti-life.

So they will protect you while you're in the womb...omnce you're out of the womb, you get a huge middle finger!

Why do I get the feeling this is less about "protecting the unborn" and more about controlling women's bodies and choices??

Anyone else here notice the hypocrasy of the "right-to-lifers?"

[union_maid]

1. Oh yeah

I've had all kinds of arguments with freeper types on other boards on this one. They seem to say that the main thing is to give everyone a chance at life. That's their most coherent argument, anyway. Mostly, I just think that the RW keeps this thing alive to suit their own purposes - demonzing Democrats and all liberals. They say we're baby killers and seem to think that we spend a lot of time getting pregnant so we can have abortions.

[mermaid]

2. Give Everyone A Chance At Life??

Who do they think they are kidding?
Noot me, that's for sure!!

If they wanted to "give everyone a chance at life" they wouldn't give you the giant middle finger as soon as you're out of the womb! They would not cut CHIP programs, WIC programs, and other programs designed for needy children.

It's all about their desire to control a woman's choices, if you ask me.

P.S. I am sterile...I don't have a dog in this hunt. I just see what I see. And I'm not reluctant to call a spade a spade. And I will not put lipstick on a pig and call it a lady....it's still a pig.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

6. They would also not advocate mowing down Iraqis

as Trent Lott so thoughtfully did. For a pro-life guy, he seems to find ARAB LIFE pretty cheap. I guess it's because, as his fellow pro-lifer Boykin said, his God is real and theirs isn't.

[jokerman93]

19. Trent's God is White and Blonde

let's face it. The only real reason for keeping the abortion question alive is to produce a kneejerk moral outrage in the minds of our increasingly fervent and unquestioning populous.

I'm disgusted with this rabid new civic christianity triggered by flags and bibles. It's poisonous and will lead us to fascism if we can't put a stop to the demigoguery.

[Yaoi_Huntress_Earth]

28. I know

I often fear that Christianity will become as twisted as Islam in the Middle East.
Love,
Yaoi Huntress Earth

[Maddy McCall]

3. "Crisis Preg. Centers" = cheap adoptions for "baren" white fundies

I see it here too. I live in mississippi--you're in Austin, though, and austin used to have a quite progressive reputation :-(

Here, the right to lifers have a "crisis pregnancy center" that is NOT ONLY FUNDED BY CHURCH SUPPORT, BUT ALSO BY TAXES from "choose life" license plates. They have advertisements everywhere--including on college campuses.

Here is their game: You come in, and get a preg test. IF positive, they show you a film of an abortion, and then bombard you with propaganda such as post-abortion trauma and psuedo breast cancer-abortion studies. Then they have you sign forms to promise you won't have an abortion. THEN they coerce you into considering adoption--especially if you and the father are white--because they have lists of good white christians who will gladly take your baby off your hands. What they DON'T do is offer to help you emotionally and financially through and then after the pregnancy if YOU decide to keep the baby instead of offering it up for adoption.

So, it is basically a baby/adoption industry more than it is a help center for women who need assistance. I think this is pretty evil because women go there for help, and then they are coerced into making a decision they may regret for the rest of their lives.

[flamingyouth]

4. Let's ask the Iraqi children how "pro life" the GOP is...

I'm sure they'd have a few choice words.

[WindRavenX]

5. Basically...

...they care about having that fetus brought to term more than they care about the actual woman and the actual child. Once the woman squirts the kid out- they don't give two shits about either of them.

[Maddy McCall]

7. Unless it's a white baby and a good Xian family is "baren"

then they want the mother to give it up to the "better" people who are "able to provide."

Family values my ass.

[mermaid]

10. Exactly My Point

Yhis is why I say I don't believe it is a "right-to-life" issue for them so much as it is a "right-to-control-women-and-children" issue.

It is more a "limit-their-choices" issue than anything else, IMHO.

[Yaoi_Huntress_Earth]

29. I'll admit

I never really liked abortion, especally since my real mother could've aborted me instead of putting me up for adoption. What I think should be done is to hack at the root instead by perfecting birth control methods and giving people realistic and useful advice to demystify both parenthood (it's not an easy thing to do, folks) and sex. An educated person is likely to make foolish choices.
Then again, with the anti-sex attitude (with a large dose of obsession) the neo-cons have, it may be a problem.
Love,
Yaoi Huntress Earth

[XanaDUer]

8. Here is what I do not get...

Conserves hate any kind of government interference in our lives, right?

(Really what they mean is in stopping business from running everything and having any responsibilities for problems it causes,in interfering in the free market)

But, they stick their noses in anything to do with sex or reproduction.

That I do not get at all.

[Military Brat]

9. Ask them if they shop at Wal-Mart

The Big W (bushie coincidence?) sells a lot of made-in-China crap, (and of course sweatshop goods from other countries). But the point is, China has an absolutely incredible abortion rate. So, tell these head-up-their-butts pro-birth anti-life Repubs that if they shop at Wal-Mart, they're supporting abortion because they're supporting the Chinese who are having the abortions. And, no, improving the standard of living for the Chinese will not encourage them to "keep their babies." They'll just have more sex because that's a result of increasing the standard of living. (When you work just to survive, sex is not as frequent.)

In 1999, the last year that statistics were furnished, China had a 29 percent abortion rate for pregnancies, which calculates to 4 million to 10 million abortions, depending on whether you choose the low estimate or the high estimate. http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-prchina.html

Welcome, Wal-Mart shoppers, to the most hypocritical store in the universe!

[mermaid]

13. One Of The Reasons

for China's high abortion rate is that couples there are only allowed to have one child. And the instant they find out it is a female fetus, it gets aborted, so that they can try again for the boy.

Absolutely freaking disgusting!!

[JoeMemphis]

11. Put away that broad brush ....

There are several of us here who are pro-life as well, and certainly don't fit that profile. As an issue, the abortion issue is merely a tool that the GOP uses to keep it's base in line for elections. Without the abortion issue, pro-life voters would probably vote for their best economic interests (which would be with the Democrats).

What has *'s priority been? Cutting regulations, cutting workers' rights, and cutting overtime pay, and sending US jobs offshore. If any Freepers are lurking here -- here's a clue: George W. Bush has no intention of supporting the pro-life cause. It's only an election tool to prevent pro-life (mostly blue-collar middle-class folks) voters from voting for their rights in the workplace.

[XanaDUer]

14. Actually, there are a lot of pro-life Dems and libs

whose thinking is more in line logically, like, people need health care, welfare, economic justice, etc.

I have no patience with the "pro-life" people who go on and on about "welfare mothers" (racist code talk), deadbeats, drug-addicted scum, etc.

[mermaid]

16. I'm Not Painting

ALL pro-lifers with that brush...just the Repuke ones...because only the Repukes are for cutting things for needy children. I see the hypocrasy in their contrasting stated views versus their actions.

I realize there are many pro-life Dems...and this is a good thing. But they aren't hypocrites like Repukes are.

Repukes: Once you're outta the womb, you get a huge middle finger!
Dems: Once you're outta the womb, you get support if you need it.

Repukes constantly try to cut the funding for programs for needy kids. I don't see Dems doing that. So I am not painting with a broad brush here...wake up and smell that coffee!!

I'm not calling out people for being "right-to life"
I'm calling out people for stating they are "pro-life" and then every action they take is decidedly anti-life.

[JoeMemphis]

23. Thanks for clarifying

You made some great points about the GOP hypocrisy on the issue. They do indeed only love children up until the point that they're born. After that, they're on their own.

I did want to point out for others that several are genuinely pro-life and care about children at any stage of life.

[mermaid]

26. You're Welcome

And sorry I did not make myself clearer. I thought I was pretty clear, but apparently not.

[kyrasdad]

12. grrrrrrrr...

I asked my Mom about this, and how she can justify the rights obsession with the death penalty... She's right-wing, anti-abortion, pro-NRA, republican, but I love her anyway... She said that a child is an innocent, and therefore need to be protected. Someone who kills deserves to be put to death. And there's a Bible passage (gotta get that in there) that supports it. While she is right about the Bible thing... I point out that once again, she and her ilk don't follow all of the tenets set forth. I also pointed out the numerous people who have been freed in the past few years that were proven innocent that were on death row... her answer... (it's a REAL good thing she's my Mom) Well, if they were put to death and they were innocent, that must have been God's will...

ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

Not that I was in enough pain from that... I continued to ask about once a kid is born, isn't it the responsibility of all of us to ensure that the child is cared for if the Mother can't? She answered that the Mother made the mistake, it was her job, and if she didn't do it then she should gove the child up. Ok, I agree there... Then I said, but what if she doesn't and she gets no help, the kid grows up to be a criminal, maybe killing someone in the process of a crime and gets the death penalty... isn't he absolved from his responsibility because of the lack of support in his upbringing? She said no, that just because his Mom didn't do her job is no reason to let him off the hook... So I said sarcastically that it was the throw them abck syndrome... can't kill 'em now, wait till they're older, right? She said no... that it was HIS responsibility to be a good participating member of society. I asked how could he be if he didn't have the proper upbringing to become that. She said... and this is a doozy.... TOUGH...

There in a nutshell is the Republican view... you're on your own, don't expect anything, but don't screw up.

[prolesunited]

15. Good talking points memo from Planned Parenthood

Nine Reasons Why Abortions Are Legal
Abortion is never an easy decision, but women have been making that choice for thousands of years, for many good reasons. Whenever a society has sought to outlaw abortions, it has only driven them into back alleys where they became dangerous, expensive, and humiliating.
<snip>

At the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion. It is about the value of women in society. Should women make their own decisions about family, career, and how to live their lives? Or should government do that for them? Do women have the option of deciding when or whether to have children? Or is that a government decision?

The anti-abortion leaders really have a larger purpose. They oppose most ideas and programs which can help women achieve equality and freedom. They also oppose programs which protect the health and well-being of women and their children. Anti-abortion leaders claim to act "in defense of life." If so, why have they worked to destroy programs which serve life, including prenatal care and nutrition programs for dependent pregnant women? Is this respect for life?

Anti-abortion leaders also say they are trying to save children, but they have fought against health and nutrition programs for children once they are born. The anti-abortion groups seem to believe life begins at conception, but it ends at birth. Is this respect for life?

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/abortion/9reasons.html

[ComerPerro]

17. Same reason they support the Iraq war

Its easy to do, and it doesn't cost them anything. No effort, no money, nothing.

They say they support the war but don't have to guts to actually prove it by enlisting.


But the abortion issue really pisses me off.


They have campaigns and commercials for single pregnant women. They have support centers, places you can call. You call and they talk you out of having an abortion. They show up at your house and provide you with emotional support while you are pregnant. They make themselves readily avalible.
But then you have your child.
Suddenly, you are just another single mother, a godless whore who deserves poverty because of her bad decisions and promiscuious nature.
Where is the network of support that was around when you were pregnant?
It is gone. It now hates you because you had a child out of wedlock. They have no interest in providing day care, helping you feed your child, helping you get medical insurance for you child, or helping to educate your child.

They believe that everyone deserves a chance at life, but if someone has a shitty life, then I guess that is just their problem.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

18. Here's one you probably...

Haven't considered:

Priced an adoption lately? Pretty expensive affairs. In the US, to adopt a typical blonde, blue-eyed "trophy child" it's gonna run you $US80,000-100,000 dollars. To adopt out of the US, for a "less desirable" child, you are talking anywhere between $US30,000-65,000 dollars, conservatively.

Lots of the geets to be made on them there American kids, doncha know.

Now, take a look at some of those "Right to Life" groups. A grunch of them, the big ones also have a component that offers...you got it..adoption services. Do the math.

Cynical? Yup, you are goddamned right I am cynical. If there is one thing I have learned in my life's odessey, it's that greed is the bedrock impulse of humans. The need and desire to possess. The worship of mammon. Everything else springs from the loins of greed. There just ain't a hell of a lot of Holy men and Women who have transcended The Illusions of The Flesh.

So, it's not so much a "Right to Life". If it was, these same organizations would be fighting the death penalty, gun murders, and the war with the same enthusiasm as the relatively rare medical technique of D&C.

But for them, it's a "Right to Establish a Cash Flow".

[Maddy McCall]

20. See my post above.

I agree whole-heartedly.

[mermaid]

24. Yep

Like George Carlin once said...

"These people call themselves right-to-lifers. dot=nt'cha just love that phrase? And don'tcha just love the way these people PERVERT the English language?? right to life?? You realize most of the right-to lifers are in favor of the DEATH PENALTY?? And they support the South American death squads?? and they're against gun control and nuclear weapons control...when these people say 'right-to-life' they're talking about THEIR right to decide which people should live or die!!
So these right-wingers...these crypto-fascists...yeah, they'll get government off your back, but when it comes to abortion....yeah, backs are no good, but uterus is okay by them!!
Dloesn't it strike you as midly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to **** in the first place?? There is such balance in nature!"
-George Carlin, "What Am I Doing In New Jersey?"

[Bronco69]

25. Excellent point!!

I agree 100%

[Snellius]

21. Abortion is the way to demonize their cultural enemies

As baby killers. Abortion has become symbolic. It's very unlikely that abortion will ever be criminalized. Even those who support state-imposed pregnancy seem to accept this. If, for example, they really wanted to take a real first step to ban what they call "partial birth abortion" they could have easily avoided a Supreme Court nullification by including a reservation in the case of danger to the life of the mother. That they didn't suggests that they need the moral agenda more than they care about the real medical and social problem, a way of preserving their ethical superiority to the liberal culture (gays, yuppies, humanism, free-thinkers, rappers or hip-hoppers or whatever) of which they are so afraid.

[rucky]

22. Every Sperm Is Sacred...

Sing it!

Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

[mopinko]

27. free votes-

repugs get free votes by riding the antiabortion band wagon. it costs them nothing. they are fat cats, and will always be able to get their wives, daughters and girlfriends abortions if they need them. they are dismantling the safety net that those babies would fall into, so no cost there. then their cronies make big bucks locking them up when they grow up. win, win, win. what better way to sew up your base than with a litmus test like this? like race- pulling the wool over their eyes.

[izzie]

30. They feel guilty as they like to kill every thing that moves?

This may make them feel they stand for something?

[VOX]

31. They prefer their birth control after the fact (capital punishment)..

If life is so sacred to these jerks, why don't they bitch about capital punishment?

Ah, that's where they like to reach back to the Old Testament for some good, old-fashioned vengeance.

For all their public piousness, they will never see capital punishment as "playing God."

[REP]

32. They're All Control Freaks

I mean all pro-liars - the ones who want to outlaw abortion, not those who are merely uncomfortable with abortion but aren't so arrogant that they would force someone to go through pregnancy and childbirth against her will. The pro-forced-birthers hate women and fear sex, and feel the need to control others.

I'm sterilized as well; twice over, in fact - tubal ligation and uterine ablation. It was the only way to guarantee I'd never be at risk (and I'm quite happy about it).