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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:29 PM
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Mommy, where does heroin come from & who brings it here?
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 11:37 PM by frank frankly
There's been a real big surge in heroin use here in Pittsburgh over the last two years. Apparently, it is cheap and easy to get, and becoming really popular out in the 'burbs.

There's been press about the increase, but never questions as to how it gets here so STEADILY, or why the flow is INCREASING.

So, where does heroin come from?

Who brings it to our shores?

The BFEE and the CIA.


(updated to include "& who brings it here")
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:31 PM
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1. Afghanistan. Connect the dots.
:evilgrin:
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:33 PM
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2. so they aren't making it in the projects like New Jack City?
who brings it from Afganistan?

the stock?

mickey mouse?

pnac?
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:35 PM
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5. arms dealers
and other smuggling thug types.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:38 PM
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8. why can't we catch them? aren't we at war against drugs?
Are you sure it isn't an inside job? I mean that's a lot of STEADY smack coming a long way and offered really cheap.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:13 AM
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15. why can't we catch them?
We can. Just like we caught Osama and Saddam. No evildoers will escape!!

Unless your name is Bush, or Cheney, or Rumsfeld or?

Nevermind! I've gotta quit this because I'll get writers cramp before I finish!
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:14 AM
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16. welcome to DU, rrrick51
way to go, Triple R!

:hi:
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:39 PM
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9. Hmmm, interesting question indeed.....
You realize, I assume, that this is an agricultural product, and Afghanistan is currently getting a lot of press about growing a lot of the necessary goods, ie, opium poppies. No surprise, they've been bombed out & you gotta make a buck somehow. The heroin is refined somehow from the raw opium, fairly simple process -I've known Peace Corps buddies who were in Nepal whose boarding house owners were in the opium business. So, what could be going on? Is it really Afghanistan, are we setting them up as evil drug lords so we can really knock them down, or so bfee can make some more opium money? Also, where are the drugs going - is this like the crack the CIA sold to black gangs on the west coast a few years ago? Inquiring minds want to know....
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:43 PM
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10. well, well, well
it could very well be EXACTLY like the CIA-Crack connection.

yes, thanks again to the CIA for crack cocaine! that was a really nice thing to do. you boys at The Company sure are a class act, especially when it comes to destroying your former slaves.

"they only give you two choices:
be a rebel or a slave
so I rebel" dead prez
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:34 PM
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3. The Sleepy Bunny leaves it under your pillow
and he gets it from Afghanistan (with some spooky help)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:35 PM
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4. Welllll...
What the kid probably meant would be answered by "Poppy-flower sap."

But it comes from Mexico, Southeast Asia, and, increasingly, Afghanistan.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:36 PM
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6. who brings it here
what organization?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:31 AM
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19. Dozens and Dozens of different "organizations"
There are lots of different smuggling outfits. Some are American organized crime. Some are Russian organized crime. Some are just people in it for a season or so to make a fast buck. Some are governmental organizations trying to fund illegal covert operations. Some are terrorist groups. I've even heard that the Unification Church is in the Heroin business, though who can say if that is true?

Once it gets here, there tend to be many fewer groups that actually sell it on the streets, usually affiliated with well-known street gangs.

-Ben
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:32 AM
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20. very good insight, benburch
thank you
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:37 PM
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7. Heroin comes from Oz...
Poppies! Poppies will make you sleep.....sleep....
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:43 PM
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11. It comes from the housekeeper honey


Uncle Rush is really in need.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:58 PM
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12. nope
unless your housekeeper is BFEE
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:08 AM
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13. Here is an article on this subject. Bush, Halliburton, Cheney --
Mommy, why is there so much opium growing in Afghanistan now?

The Bush - Cheney Drug Empire

FTW October 24, 2000 - The success of Bush Vice Presidential running mate Richard Cheney at leading Halliburton, Inc. to a five year $3.8 billion "pig-out" on federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans is only a partial indicator of what may happen if the Bush ticket wins in two weeks. A closer look at available research, including an August 2, 2000 report by the Center for Public Integrity (CPI) at www.public-i.org, suggests that drug money has played a role in the successes achieved by Halliburton under Cheney's tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000. This is especially true for Halliburton's most famous subsidiary, heavy construction and oil giant, Brown and Root. A deeper look into history reveals that Brown and Root's past as well as the past of Dick Cheney himself, connect to the international drug trade on more than one occasion and in more than one way.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/bush-cheney-drugs.html

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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:09 AM
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14. thank you, zorra
fromthewilderness.com

what a site!
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:16 AM
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17. the Afghani warlords
thanks Bush for making sure the heroin flows freely /sarcasm
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:20 AM
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18. do these warlords have street connections in every American city?
amazing, almost magical, eh?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:27 AM
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23. yes, and they sell in right in public in every major city
Let's see, we spend millions on the drug war, police don't have to follow the 4th Amendment, and Ashcroft is sending investigators to strip clubs while Homeland security is fishing.

But they can't stop the heroin coming from Afghanistan, and they can't do anything about the open air heroin market in every major city? Amazing.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:00 AM
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21. The Secret Drug Wars of the CIA
Narcotics trade = $1 trillion per annum. That's a lot of off-the-books financing.

A flashback to the Golden Triangle of 30-40 years ago can show you how it's done:

...

Laos - a CIA fiefdom - was a principal Opium producer under the nominal control of General Vang Pao – leader of the Meo tribesman fighting the CIA’s secret war. Vang Pao would collect raw Opium grown throughout Northern Laos and transport it aboard the CIA’s “Air America” helicopters to Long Thien. A massive, sprawling US built complex, Long Thien was known as “Spook Heaven” by some, or “Alternate 20” by others. It was here that General Pao’s raw Opium was processed into top grade No 4 China White heroin. At this point, direct CIA involvement in the “product” ceased. Meanwhile, the CIA provided Vang Pao with his own airline known to insiders as “Air Opium,” that would transport it to Saigon, landing at the giant US military Ton Sohn Nut Air Base. Thereafter part of the bulk was divvied up among Quang’s network for sale to US servicemen hooked on the drug. The rest was shipped to the Corsican syndicate in Marseilles for delivery to Cuba – a transhipment point controlled by Mafia boss Santos Trafficante - and thence to the United States. A regular variation of the delivery route occurred when sealed bags of Heroin were stitched inside the dead bodies of GI’s returning home for military burial.

...

Following the US backed invasion of Cambodia in May 1970, another Heroin pipeline was established. Previously inaccessible regions of Cambodia ideal for Opium cultivation were immediately brought on-line. The smuggling pipeline was operated by the Vietnamese Navy who had established bases at Phonom Penh and throughout the Mekong river. Within a week of the Cambodian incursion, an armada of Vietnamese and US Navy craft – totalling 140 vessels – under the command of Captain Nyugen Thaanh Chau crossed into Cambodia. This was “hailed as a ‘tactical coup’ and a great ‘military humanitarian fleet,’” the armada immediately went to work smuggling “vast quantities of Opium and Heroin into South Vietnam.”<13> Said to be the biggest pusher in South Vietnam, General Quang - following the US withdrawal from Vietnam – quietly relocated to Montreal, Canada, via the US Army’s military base, Fort Chaffee in Arkansas. Quang’s entry to Canada is said to have resulted from quiet but intense pressure from the United States government.

The apparent face-value dichotomy between the CIA’s international, decades long dope trade and the Drug Enforcement Agencies (DEA) “war on drugs,” is illusory. During a radio interview in 1991, historian Alfred McCoy outlined what he called “… the institutional relationship between the DEA and the CIA.” Back in the 1930’s the forerunner of the DEA – the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) was established to curtail the use and sale of narcotics. The FBN was the only US agency that had agents working in covert roles prior to WW11. With the arrival of WW11, key agents from the FBN were transferred to the newly established Office of Strategic Services (OSS) – fore-runner of the CIA – to teach OSS personnel the “clandestine arts.” This relationship continues to present times, McCoy states. The result is that where the CIA are running drug operations in various parts of the world, the DEA officially goes to sleep<14>.

This has led to the realisation that the DEA is principally tasked with prohibiting the flow of drugs from other than CIA “approved” sources - and that successive US "war on drugs" programmes are, de facto, engaged in killing off the competition. Whether this is purposeful policy or not, the result is clearly the same. Taken to its logical conclusion, CIA approved and protected traffickers will increasingly gain greater and greater control over the global dope business, making the US government the biggest dope peddler in the world. Meanwhile, some believe this has already occurred and was always part of the long-term plans drawn up by covert policy planners, as they cast jealous eyes toward the planets raw materials – of which narcotics is one of the most profitable.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/deep_black_1_2.htm
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 02:06 AM
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22. ah, Minstrel Boy, you are a fine lad
I've got an extra Letter of Marquis around here somewhere...oh wait, I'm a serf, not a lord.

Whoops.

Thanks for the info!
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