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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:32 AM
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On the Iraqi 'resistance'

On the Iraqi 'resistance' and the road to democracy



By MARTIN SCHREADER
Written: November 6-7, 2003


"SUPPOSE THE United States was invaded and occupied by another country. Would we support the resistance organized to kick out the invaders/occupiers?"

This question has recently gained some measure of headway among some sections of the broader left in regards to the actions of the so-called "resistance" fighting the American-led occupation forces in Iraq. But is it an accurate analogy? Or, is there more to the story?

It was not long after the collapse of the Ba'athist regime in Baghdad, and the installation of the American puppet state, that sporadic attacks against occupying soldiers began to occur. At first, the attacks were relatively few and, at best, only claimed the lives of one or two soldiers. However, as time has progressed, the actions by the "resistance" have intensified.

Now, guerrilla attacks on occupation forces occur several times daily. Patrols are ambushed; transport helicopters are shot down; even the Americans' "invincible" M1A1 battle tank has become susceptible to guerrillas armed with penetrating shells.

Vietnam? Not exactly, even though the parallels are understandably frightening. The major difference between Vietnam and Iraq has to do with the kind of armed opposition the occupation forces face.

The Vietminh/NLF (sometimes called "Vietcong") was a popular national liberation movement that had been fighting colonialism for decades. They enjoyed broad support among the population, and their goal was a republic free from domination by the imperial Great Powers.

Can the same be said of the Iraqi "resistance?" No. In fact, it is very much the converse.

Who makes up the Iraqi "resistance" -- that is, those actually pulling the triggers? Put simply, they are made up of three main movements:

  1. Former members of the old ruling Ba'ath Party. These Ba'athists seek the restoration of their party, and the old regime, to power. They represent the old program of the Saddam Hussein government, which was fascist at its core.
  2. Supporters of nationalist organizations. These groups want to carve out their own independent states, and be recognized by the occupation regime as the "legitimate representatives" of this or that oppressed minority. Among these forces are Kurdish and Iranian nationalists, as well as Iraqi Arab nationalists that were only opposed to the Ba'athists because the latter were unwilling to share power.
  3. Supporters of Islamic fundamentalism (Islamists). This is a relatively new movement, owing its current existence primarily to the occupation. The Islamists come primarily from the Shia community in southern and eastern Iraq, and have close ties to their co-thinkers in Iran. Contrary to popular belief, these Islamists have few, if any, ties to the Wahabi sect of Islam, from which Osama bin Laden and the core cadre of al-Qaeda come.

On occasion, these elements make episodic alliances to carry out attacks. But, by and large, they operate independently of each other.


YES, THIS IS the face of the "resistance." And, no, it is not based on propaganda reports from the American or British media. Rather, these are based on reports from Iraqis who are familiar with the composition of these groups.

One of the side effects of the collapse of the Saddam Hussein regime was that the country was plunged into complete chaos. To this day, public services are spotty, at best. Some workers go weeks without being paid; those who are paid often cannot afford basic food staples -- rice, meat, flour, etc.

Under the watchful eye of the occupation forces, the re-emerging Iraqi capitalist class has begun its own internal war on working people. Workers who complain about lack or pay or horrific working conditions are sacked, or accused of being "collaborators" with the Hussein regime and taken into custody by the occupation forces. Striking unions are busted by a coalition of Iraqi capitalists and American (or British) soldiers shepherding scabs.

Under these conditions, the minimal aid that the average Iraqi citizen receives from organizations like the International Committee of the Red Cross (or its partner, the Red Crescent), the United Nations or other private relief agencies is often their only means of survival.

So, how does the "resistance" respond to this ever-growing need? They attack the relief agencies, forcing them to withdraw from the region in order to avoid further bloodshed.

Not exactly the work of those seeking to "liberate" people.

The collapse of the Hussein regime also created a political vacuum. In spite of what people think of the Ba'athist regime, it obviously filled that space and was able to maintain a semblance of stability and order. When it fell after the American-led invasion, the stability and order evaporated.

The Americans have tried to fill the void with their comprador Governing Council. However, that body has little popular support behind it, and was bankrupt in the eyes of Iraqis well before it ever met. This has given the "resistance" groups some lift.

It is not that the "resistance" has any more credibility or support than the Governing Council. Far from it. But, the lack of legitimacy of the Council provides the "resistance" with a rhetorical club with which they can pummel its supporters.


IN A SENSE, the occupiers and the "resistance" have a symbiotic relationship. Each one legitimizes and sanctions the existence of the other. Without the occupiers, the "resistance" would have no basis for their acts of individual terror. Without the "resistance," the occupiers would not have any reason to systematically repress and terrorize the civilian population.

This symbiotic relationship is, in this respect, little more than the continuation of the reciprocal relationship that the American and Iraqi regimes had for the years before the invasion. This can also be extended to the relations between the U.S. government and Iran, as well as that between Christian and Islamic fundamentalism.

It should come as no surprise to people that this relationship exists. From the beginning of the so-called "war on terror" in 2001, people were aware of the relationship between the ruling circles in the United States and the leadership of organizations like al-Qaeda.

The business relationships, for example, between the Bush and Bin Laden families are well documented. The millions in aid that Americans gave to the Afghan Taliban government have been talked about on numerous occasions. The close, friendly ties between the American and Iraqi governments (back in the 1980s) are often summed up in the photo of a smiling Donald Rumsfeld warmly shaking the hand of Saddam Hussein.

The dialectical "unity of opposites" seen in these relationships certainly makes for interesting conversation. However, we always need to remember that these relationships are built on top of the pulverized bones and flesh of previously living human beings -- Afghan, American, Iranian, Iraqi, etc.


"OK, SO WHAT is it you are saying here?" Inevitably, the question has to be asked. "Are you suggesting we take a neutral position on the occupation?"

Certainly not. This author has, time and again, stated his unequivocal opposition to the imperialist occupation and re-colonization of Iraq. From the day that American soldiers stepped foot on Iraqi soil, I have called for their immediate and unconditional withdrawal from the country.

But it is important that we also think about what happens after the occupiers leave. What will that new political vacuum yield?

This is where the question of "supporting the resistance" comes in. Depending on the relationship of forces, the victory of the "resistance" forces -- as they are currently constituted -- would lead to one of three results: 1) the restoration of the fascist Ba'ath regime; 2) the formation of a new nationalist regime, fundamentally no different from the Ba'athists; or 3) an Islamist state in alliance with Iran.

These results are not only intolerable to those who believe in democracy and human freedom, they are also a certain death sentence for the millions of Iraqis who have fought for years to keep their country one of the most socially progressive states in the Middle East.

Based on this understanding, we can now rephrase and expand the question asked at the beginning of this article.

"Suppose the United States was invaded and occupied by another country. Now, suppose that the main resistance forces were a coalition of rightwing militias, Republican Party, KKK and NRA operatives, and Christian fundamentalists. Would we support the resistance?"

Given what the likely outcome of their victory would be, the answer is a definite and emphatic "No!" Instead, I would look for an alternative to the imperialist occupation and the rightwing "resistance" ... or organize one myself.

But what about Iraq? Does such an alternative exist?


PUT SIMPLY, YES. There is an alternative in Iraq -- a "third camp" opposed to imperialist occupation and rightwing "resistance." It is the increasingly militant, and increasingly organized, Iraqi working class.

The entry of the Iraqi Communist Party, by far the largest political party in Iraq after the fall of the Ba'athists, into the American-sponsored Governing Council led to a series of crippling splits among its leadership. As a result, the ICP has begun to hemorrhage and its former members are looking in new directions.

Splinter leftwing organizations of various political backgrounds have developed in some areas. However, most of these groups are little more than confessional sects, and have tacitly accepted American occupation as something about which they can do nothing.

And yet, the Iraqi working class becomes more and better organized daily. Is it spontaneous, or is it conscious? Who is leading this effort?

The best answer to that question comes from the report of American trade unionists that visited Iraq recently.

At the same time, younger activists -- including members of the Worker Communist Party -- carried out their own initiatives, which led most notably to the formation of the Union of the Unemployed in Iraq (UUI). Both groups of activists are opposed to the U.S. occupation, says Thomas.

The main difference, he says, is that unions associated with the UUI "are not at all hesitant to support labor action in the face of the various decrees that are in place that prohibits labor organizing and strikes." The older unionists, Thomas says, "don't think that it is prudent to organize job actions and demonstrations, because they think that these can be exploited" by elements of the old regime who are resisting the occupation.

Though almost entirely ignored by the international media, the desire to take a stand for decent conditions and better wages at work has touched every part of the country. In a recent report, Ewa Jasiewicz described the struggle of workers at a brick factory that is part of a major industrial complex 30 miles east of Baghdad.

After enduring terrible conditions -- and a wage of 3,000 dinars a day, the equivalent of $1.50, for a 14-hour shift -- three quarters of the workforce walked off the job in October. They marched on the management's office and demanded a wage increase, a formal contract, on-site medical facilities and retirement payments.

"The owner had no idea that a union had been formed and told them, 'Fine, strike, go, I will dismiss you, others will come to take your place,'" Jasiewicz wrote. "The workers responded by going to their homes, bringing out their guns and spontaneously forming an armed picket line."

"Manned with machine guns and Kalishnikovs, workers guarded the factory and defended their strike from demolition by scab labor. The owner, overpowered, ended up granting the workers a raise of 500 dinars — 25 cents — and agreed to enter into negotiations regarding social and health benefits. The strike was regarded all around as a massive success." (Alan Maass, "Rise of Iraq's new labor movement," Socialist Worker, October 31, 2003 -- http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/474/474_06_IraqiUnion.shtml)

THE WORKER-COMMUNIST PARTY of Iraq, like its sister organization in Iran (of the same name), emerged in the early 1990s as a result of the rightward lurch of the "official Communist" organizations. Since the fall of the Ba'athists, the WPI has been the leftwing pole of attraction for those who want genuine democracy and oppose the occupation.

One of the first documents issued by the WPI after its leaders returned from exile was their "Declaration on Political Freedoms" (http://www.wpiraq.org/english/hizb240052003.htm). The six points of the declaration are:

  1. Full and unconditional political freedom, freedom of belief, expression, press, assembly, demonstration, organization, strike and the freedom of formation of political parties.
  2. Separation of religion from the state and education. All religious inspired laws and regulations must be repealed. Individuals must have freedom of religion and atheism.
  3. Full and unconditional equality of rights of men and women in legal, social and individual domains and the repealing of all laws and regulations that violate this principle.
  4. Full and unconditional equality of all residents regardless of sex, nationality, religion, race, ethnicity and citizenship.
  5. Abolition of the death penalty.
  6. The public and especially parties must have free access to the mass media.

For the WPI, there are two interrelated problems that the people of Iraq have to resolve. The first, of course, is how to end the ongoing occupation. The second is the establishment of conditions that allow for real, revolutionary democracy to take hold in Iraq.

The work of the WPI over the last period has been aimed at completing both of these tasks. They have set out to organize trade unions among Iraqi workers, replacing the old corporatist Ba'athist unions. They have also organize a union of unemployed workers that has been successful in winning better relief for those left without jobs due to years of war and destruction.

Most importantly, though, the WPI has been organizing local bodies that are a legitimate alternative to the Governing Council and the alternatives presented by the rightwing "resistance" groups. These bodies, organized at the neighborhood and workplace level, not only unify the workers in a given area, they also have the ability to assume the functions of a municipal or regional government.

These bodies -- workers' councils, based on the Russian soviets, the German Räten and the British Councils of Action -- now exist in every major city and town in Iraq, including Baghdad, Kirkuk, Mosul, Nasiriya, Basra and Fallujah. Some of them developed relatively spontaneously; others developed out of the organization of trade unions and the unemployed.

The workers' councils are organs of mass democracy in Iraq, and should be supported by all those wishing for Iraqis to achieve a real independence and liberation. They represent the only viable alternative to the American-sponsored puppet state (the Governing Council) and the possible return of despotism (at the hands of the "resistance").


FOR ANTIWAR ACTIVISTS in the United States, it is important to remember that, in the case of Iraq, there are three sides in the dispute, not two. Thus, the axiom of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not apply.

Unquestionably, many people have an instinctive reaction -- due to their disgust at the actions of the Bush regime -- when they see or hear about the clashes between the occupation forces and the "resistance." Some people are even tempted to look positively on the actions of the "resistance," since they seem to be, after all, the main forces actively working to push the occupation troops out.

But this is not accurate. The armed volunteer workers' militias that have sprung up across Iraq, which are fighting both the so-called "resistance" and the occupation, have had more effect on eliminating the basis for the occupation than all the carbombings and ambushes carried out so far.

As I write these lines, there are dozens of detachments of these workers' militia patrolling neighborhoods in the major cities of Iraq. They are there because the occupation soldiers are too busy guarding oil pipelines; they are there because the “resistance” is targeting residents of Iraq and the relief services they are forced to rely on, and the Americans won't lift a finger to protect the people.

These are the kind of actions that will end the occupation, not random sniping or suicide bombings. The sooner a real political alternative to the occupation and its Governing Council are established and win the support of the majority of Iraqis, the sooner the occupiers will be forced to withdraw -- by force of arms, if necessary.

There is a growing situation of "dual power" developing across Iraq. The workers' councils are more and more acting as the organized representative of the Iraqi working class (and the Iraqi people in general), while the Governing Council becomes less credible. The growing number of spontaneous attacks by ordinary Iraqis against the Council and occupation troops -- sometimes attributed to the "resistance," but often not reported -- is a sign of that.

Antiwar activists and political oppositionists in the United States can best serve the interests of the Iraqi people by lending their support to the actions of the working people of that country, and by translating that support into a movement for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all occupation forces.

We should demand that the WPI's "Declaration on Political Freedoms" is implemented across Iraq. Further, in those places where they have been organized and are supported by the majority of the Iraqi people, we should call for the immediate transfer of power from the occupation forces to the workers' councils.

For those who not only want an end to the occupation, but also are concerned about what happens afterward, this is the only rational and comprehensive plan that can make it happen.

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ON THE INTERNET: Worker-Communist Party of Iraq -- http://www.wpiraq.org/english/
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 07:03 AM
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1. comprehensive and fascinating
as usual :hi:
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:16 AM
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2. Isn't it ironic that these Worker's Councils are having to fight...
...both the well armed thugs that are called "The Iraqi resistance" AND the foreign occupiers.

Better yet while they try to calm the neighborhoods and patrol the dusty streets the Occupying Forces guard the Capital (As in Oil not the capital city).

I guess that this was almost bound to happen, who else will look after the interests of the People but the People?
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:54 PM
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6. Agreed
"The end of history", my arse!

Also, I find it more than appropriate that the article was finished and made public on the anniversary of the 1917 October Revolution -- when the Russian soviets took power.

Martin
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:43 AM
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3. A call for communism? no thanks.
Your article is slanted heavily and leads to a bogus conclusion. I seriously doubt that most people in Iraq demand communsim. Perhaps those with NOTHING wouldn't mind being given something, but once they all get back to work no one wants a communist system telling them "nothing is your everything is ours". That crap doesn't fly with most people, which is why communist system tend to employ many men with big guns for use against their own people.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:07 AM
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4. a kick for your ******* reply
:bounce:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:23 PM
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9. "communist system tend to employ
many men with big guns for use against their own people."



Thank God for peaceful, daisy-tossing Kapitalism.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:26 AM
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17. Hear, hear!
n/t
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:13 PM
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28. I doubt you even know what communism is
Because its theory is one thing and its divestiture into practice is multi-faceted. The communism of the Soviet Union of the 80s for example, is one manifestiation based on a communist principle. That doesn't mean it was a good representation of communism.

Anyway, I'm not going to overlook the multiple very good points this articule makes simply because its conclusion isn't for flag-waving, apple pie American "Democracy."
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:00 PM
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5. I love how everyone claims to "know" who these resistance fighters are
Our right wing claims to know they're "terrorists" and "Saddam loyalists".

A lot of people here claim to know they're heroic "resistance fighters".

Nobody knows who these people are. Except the Iraqis. And a lot of them probably don't know either.

The only fact is that we're the occupying force in a foreign country and our boys and girls are sitting ducks.

They're getting picked off like clay pigeons.

And it's wrong.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:56 PM
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7. And the occupiers need to leave
And let the people, through their self-organized workers' councils, take state power -- in as peaceful and democratic a way as possible.

Martin
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:17 PM
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8. No resistance can operate effectively without the the majority of the...
...population allowing it to exist. Can't get around that.

Don

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:39 PM
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10. Exactly
The Civil War would never have happened if the people of the Confederacy didn't support the actions of their leaders.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:05 PM
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11. True enough
Given the anger of the Iraqi people over the occupation, the fact that they allow the "resistance" to operate freely should be no surprise.

Martin
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:31 PM
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12. Long live Iraqi freedom from ALL foreign politics....
Be it from Bush or the foreign Communist groups.

The simple correctness in the Iraqi resistance is it's nationality. Nothing more.


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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 02:59 PM
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13. Pimping for reaction
The so-called "foreign Communist groups" are nothing of the sort. The WPI has been a part of Iraqi political life since it was formed. "Official Communism" has been so much a part of Iraqi politics over the years so as to be more "homegrown" than the Ba'athists or Islamic fundamentalists.

It looks to me like your response is little more than pimping for the rightwing "resistance" in opposition to the Iraqi working class. In my book, that's fundamentally no different than supporting the occupation, since the "resistance" and the occupiers keep each other alive.

Martin
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 05:25 PM
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14. Thanks for the clarification
I was under the impression thar the WPI was a foreign cell specifically there to exacerbate the problems they already have. Clearly I was in error.

I want all non-Iraqi interests to get out of their 'hood and let them settle this. If it means they have to fight it out among themselves, then that's what it means. Fundamentally I am against foreign interference.


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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:35 PM
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15. OK, and thanks for your clarification
I've been a little on edge about this because of the "auto-defensism" some here have put out regarding the "resistance". So, I tend to be a little jumpy about it. Sorry if I came on too strong.

The Iraqi working class is solving this problem themselves, by oganizing their own unions, building their workers' councils and mobilizing their neighborhood militias. They are building a new democratic republic, and that is what we all -- as Democrats or democrats -- should be supporting.

Martin
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:07 PM
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26. Democratic Republic is the last thing Uncle Sam wants
And we both know this. One of the main reasons the US invaded was to pillage that nation's resources for the benefit of the Harkens, Halliburtons and Thiokols.

A rising democratic republic of Iraq will definitely out the true motives of imperial US aims. The gloves will be off, the sheeps clothing on the wolf stripped away.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:50 AM
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37. Yes!
The Iraqi workers are looking to strip the occupiers of their figleaf. We should let them do that, and then use it like a hammer on this regime.

Martin
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:45 PM
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16. I would hope we would BECOME the resistance
and organize to kick out the invaders/occupiers. Let someone else worry about "supporting" us.


rocknation

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:11 AM
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18. wow! long post!
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 02:15 AM by leftofthedial
I disagree with a fundamental premise, namely the three groups asserted to comprise the IRaqi resistance:

1. Former members of the old ruling Ba'ath Party. These Ba'athists seek the restoration of their party, and the old regime, to power. They represent the old program of the Saddam Hussein government, which was fascist at its core.

I think there certainly is resistance from Baathist loyalists. In fact, I don't think the war ever "ended" for many of the loyal military. They did a little running and reorganizing, but basically just kept fighting.

2. Supporters of nationalist organizations. These groups want to carve out their own independent states, and be recognized by the occupation regime as the "legitimate representatives" of this or that oppressed minority. Among these forces are Kurdish and Iranian nationalists, as well as Iraqi Arab nationalists that were only opposed to the Ba'athists because the latter were unwilling to share power.

I don't think this second group rings true. There is little resistance in the Kurdish areas of Iraq. What's more, the Kurds don't want Iraq back--they are separatists, who want their own autonomous state in the north. So I find it doubtful that the Kurdish nationalists are involved. Iranian and Arab nationalists who were the enemies of the Baathists are now united with them in resistance? All those Baathist torture chambers, all that repression, all those years of hatred gone? Naw. Those guys are the Bush GOPNAC Cabal puppet government guys. They aren't interested in a return to the old Iraq either. They are best served by collaborating with Bremer. I think there are Iraqi nationalists, who weren't Baath activists, but who hate the occupation--true "freedom fighter" if you will, who want to see the occupiers gone. But this group of people just doesn't make sense.

3. Supporters of Islamic fundamentalism (Islamists). This is a relatively new movement, owing its current existence primarily to the occupation. The Islamists come primarily from the Shia community in southern and eastern Iraq, and have close ties to their co-thinkers in Iran. Contrary to popular belief, these Islamists have few, if any, ties to the Wahabi sect of Islam, from which Osama bin Laden and the core cadre of al-Qaeda come.

The third group also doesn't make much sense either. Southern Iraq, where the bulk of the Shiites live, is relatively peaceful. The Brits have had only a few, maybe only one, casualty since "Mission Accomplished." The Iraqi Shiites also are much more interested in a separation from Iraq (and further very close ties with Iran), not the liberation of Iraq. They have a bunch of oil, a port and a long border with Iran. They don't want to kill or die in order to "liberate" the Sunni Triangle. It just doesn't make sense.

The point of the article, that we should be concerned about the future of Iraq is well taken, but the specifics of who is doing what and who wants what is dubious.


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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 04:07 AM
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20. Are you in Iraq?
The reason I ask is because this breakdown comes from people I know in Iraq and who are confronting both the "resistance" and the occupiers on a daily basis. You are welcome to "disagree" with the "premise" all you want, but it does not change the facts.

In 1945, when the images of the Holocaust were presented to the world public for the first time, many did not believe it. They thought it was more war propaganda and staged imagery. It took time and mounting evidence to convince most people that the Holocaust happened.

Now, why do I bring this up? Because I know as well as you that there is a lot of propaganda flying around because of the "war" situation, and we are right to be skeptical of what is said about what's happening in Iraq. I mean, I was skeptical too ... until I talked to the comrades in the WPI.

As for your specific comments, let me briefly address them. First:

"I don't think this second group rings true. There is little resistance in the Kurdish areas of Iraq. What's more, the Kurds don't want Iraq back--they are separatists, who want their own autonomous state in the north. So I find it doubtful that the Kurdish nationalists are involved. Iranian and Arab nationalists who were the enemies of the Baathists are now united with them in resistance? All those Baathist torture chambers, all that repression, all those years of hatred gone? Naw. Those guys are the Bush GOPNAC Cabal puppet government guys. They aren't interested in a return to the old Iraq either. They are best served by collaborating with Bremer. I think there are Iraqi nationalists, who weren't Baath activists, but who hate the occupation--true 'freedom fighter' if you will, who want to see the occupiers gone. But this group of people just doesn't make sense."

There are several different nationalist organizations in Iraq. In the Kurdish north, for example, there are dozens of nationalist organizations of various types. Some of them, like the PUK, are allied with the occupation. Others, like the Betnarin organization, the Kurdish left and workers' organizations, etc., are generally in opposition to U.S. occupation. Most of these groups work completely independently (e.g., Betnarin), but some of them were sepoys of the Ba'athists, and coordinate activity with them.

In addition, there are many Arab nationalist organizations that exist, which are willing to make the "deal with the devil" to get a slice of power. Nasserites and other pan-Arab nationalists (e.g., adherents to the variety of Arab nationalism promoted by Qaddafi) are common in this group. You can also find elements of Palestinian nationalist organizations (mostly the ones deemed "terrorist groups") in this category.

Nationalism, pan-Arabism, etc., can only maintain its power through brutality and violence in a country like Iraq -- which has a multiethnic, pluralistic composition. Few Iraqis, especially after the experience of the Ba'athists, have the stomach for such things.

"The third group also doesn't make much sense either. Southern Iraq, where the bulk of the Shiites live, is relatively peaceful. The Brits have had only a few, maybe only one, casualty since 'Mission Accomplished.' The Iraqi Shiites also are much more interested in a separation from Iraq (and further very close ties with Iran), not the liberation of Iraq. They have a bunch of oil, a port and a long border with Iran. They don't want to kill or die in order to 'liberate' the Sunni Triangle. It just doesn't make sense."

The Shi'ite opposition groups do want separation from Iraq, just as most of the Kurdish groups want separation. But they think the only that can be done is through expelling the occupation troops (since the occupation's "political face" is the Governing Council, and the GC does not favor outright "Balkanization" of the country, only "Lebanonization"). That is why some of them are willing to make deals with those they previously fought or opposed.

Most Iraqis do not support the "Lebanonization" of the country. They do not want to see it carved up into ethnic/religious enclaves formally held together by the puppet Governing Council. There are Christians (Chaldean, Palestinian Christian), Muslims (Sunni, Shia) and Zoroastrians; there are Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Persians, Palestinians and Maghrebi. Trying to subdivide Iraq along such lines would result in the same mess that currently exists in the former Yugoslavia ... and would follow a similar path.

You are right to think these alliances are not real. In the final analysis, they are not. At best, the alliances these disparate groups form is tactical, and does not last very long. If they were to succeed in forcing out the occupation troops, their "victory" would quickly descend into communalist bloodletting ... and would likely not be resolved except through international intervention.

On the other hand, there is the Iraqi working class -- which cuts across religious and national lines -- which is organizing alternative centers of political and economic power (the workers' councils), and is setting forth a democratic "roadmap" for the future republic. They are deserving of our support and assistance, not the so-called "resistance", which could not bring self-determination or democracy to Iraq even if they wished to do so.

(I won't even get into the role that Great Power rivalry is playing here. Yes, the European imperialists are playing a behind-the-scenes role.)

As I said in the original article, there are three contending sides in Iraq, not two. The question is which of these three forces will most advance the struggle for self-determination and democracy in Iraq. Whoever we believe that is should be those we support.

Martin
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:45 AM
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34. no. I'm in hell, not Iraq.
There are three major factions in Iraq.

Thanks for the thoughtful and thought-provoking posts on this important topic.

In these "Through the Looking Glass" times, it is nigh impossible to ferret out truth from spin from outright lie. The neocons have executed the most massive disinformation psyops camaign in the history of the world against the American people for nearly a quarter century now. Layers and layers of lies, deception, half-truth, and turning the actual truth on its head have left it impossible to tell with certainty who is whom and what is what.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:48 AM
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36. I hear you
Like I said, I was right with you on this ... until I talked to them about it. To be honest, I'd like to hear Starpass's thoughts on this.

Martin
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:27 AM
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19. The obvious problem with this is
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 02:36 AM by jpgray
Being largely ignorant of the *real* situation in Iraq right now, I still imagine parties who have ambition and influence on their side have already filled most of the power vacuums in Iraq. It is fine to write some pamphlets and meet in cities for ad hoc administration in time of crisis, but unless measures are taken to consolidate and hold what powers are now gained, they will never be retained. Incidentally, taking those measures is liable to lead to fragmentation, violence and corruption.

But your goals, as stated, I totally agree with. I just don't believe in the ability of any group of human beings to live up to those goals in a situation as volatile as that of postwar Iraq. This without mentioning how unpopular some of the declaration's contents will be to the general population. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though.

:toast:

edit: some clarity problems--it's late, after all
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 04:23 AM
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21. I share the hope
One thing to keep in mind is that the Iraqi people do have a long tradition of leftwing radicalism and support for democracy. One only needs to look at the support leftwing and generally democratic organizations receive. For example, it was not a surprise to anyone familiar with the situation in Iraq that, after the collapse of the Ba'athists, the first political party to emerge in strength was the "official" Communist Party.

The radical-democratic mantle, though, is now passing to more leftwing organizations, like the Worker-Communist Party (which began as a left split from the ICP). From reports I've read, their "Declaration of Political Freedoms" has real broad support, cutting across national and religious lines. The fact that workers' councils exist in all the regions of Iraq -- the Kurdish north, the Shia south, the "Sunni Triangle", etc. -- is a testament to that mass support.

I must also say that this is no case of "writ(ing) some pamphlets and meet(ing) in cities for ad hoc administration". The development of the new labor unions (including the Union of Unemployed of Iraq), workers' councils and neighborhood workers' militias are meant to be the permanent administration. They are meant to be the alternative to the Labor Ministry (run by the Americans), the American-sponsored Governing Council and local equivalents, and the American-trained Iraqi police force.

I cannot fully predict what will happen, but I can make an educated guess. As the situation continues, new unions, workers' councils and milita will be organized. Soon enough, these are going to run head-on into the occupation forces, and there will be fireworks. It will be at that moment we will know for certain if "measures (were) taken to consolidate and hold what powers" have been gained. I expect we will start hearing the buzz about the workers' councils and militias sometime in the next six months -- along with all the accompanying BS about "the Communists".

It may be a bumpy road, but it is a road they have to travel -- just as we here will have a hard road ahead in dealing with the Bush regime.

Martin
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:37 PM
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24. Well here my ignorance of the exact situation becomes the problem
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 12:41 PM by jpgray
If it turns out like you say, the administration may end up with a scapegoat it is well used to dealing with--commies! :) But I would hazard that as long as American (or foreign) corporate interests rule the roost, it will be difficult to maintain anything progressive and in the general interest of Iraqis (like the declaration you mention) without some defense against violent reaction.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:46 AM
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35. Defense?
Oh, yeah. They have that. They have been organizing armed workers' militias that are detachments of the workers' councils and the unions. When the confrontation with the occupiers comes, it will not be a cakewalk for the imperialists.

As for the propaganda war, it may work on Americans, but not Iraqis. Marxism -- and the revolutionary democratic ideals that are associated with it -- has a long and respected history in Iraq.

But we will see what happens. I just hope the WPI keeps in mind that the occupiers will seek to provoke a confrontation early, in order to test the strength and stamina of the movement.

Martin
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:56 AM
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22. for those that are interested.. (and a question for Martin)
Tariq Ali's latest (and typically excellent) book provides a political history of the Iraqi left that was crushed by the fascist Ba'athists, as well as an informative history of the latter (its origins/split with Aflaq/its fascist drift/etc). I would recommend Hanna Batatu's work on Iraq even moreso, but it is out of print, somewhat difficult to attain, but a really massive effort (some 1300 pages).

Martin, do you know of a short/long/whatever study of the WCPI that is written up anywhere? Aside from their fine website and a few short references elsewhere, I have not been able to find much on the past history of them, particularly whether any of them have ties to Khaled Ahmed Zaki or his dissident branch of the Iraqi communists, those that opposed reconciliation with the Baathists a few years after the martyring of Zaki in the marshes, except that I do know they were born out of opposition to the consistant rightward drift of the ICP (and for one study of that--link) and received a good window of opportunity in light of their collaboration with the occupation authorities.

I have also been following the WCPI's progress, though I am not as familiar with them as you are. It is good that they are able to provide an alternative to Iraqi workers, with an eye towards long-term planning and resistance to both the occupation/recolonization and local reaction.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:17 AM
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23. Good questions
My best advice for answers would be to contact them directly. Most of my knowledge of them comes from reading their public materials and talking with their members. The comrades of the WPI seem to be more than willing to talk at length about their history and work, and could probably give you a relatively long study of their relations with Khaled Zaki. Honestly, I do not know off hand the extent of those relations.

Always go to the first-person source, I always say.

Martin
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:53 PM
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25. I can't take anybody who uses the word "islamist" seriously.
"And, no, it is not based on propaganda reports from the American or British media"

indeed.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:10 PM
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27. "Islamist" and "Islamofascist" are hate terms
I first ran across these in "debate" with some neocons who were coached somehow by a person who has a vitriolic hatred toward Muslims and Arabs in general. I finally succeeded in getting these idiots to drop the name of their little mentor and investigated him a bit. He writes long, frothing, whacko pieces on the "Wahhabi Threat" and other tin foil hat bullshit.

If you want to drive anti-Arab, anti-Islam haters into a right fit, keep reminding them that fundamentalist Islamic cells are Faith Based Initiatives :).



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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:13 PM
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29. Agreed.
Not to mention grammatically terrible. It's like saying christianityite.

Or Bruce Cambell and the "deadites" only that's funny.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:19 PM
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30. "Islamofascist" is often disgusting in use and in intent, but..
"Islamist" is something of a specific term intended to describe those whose political program centres on promoting Islamic ideas as a ruling ideology, not inherently an abusive term--even if it is abused by radical Zionists & others who mean to put forth a bigoted anti-Muslim agenda.

Heh, "Faith Based Initiatives", nice.. :)

Let me take a wild stab:--their mentor turned out to be Daniel Pipes?

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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:19 PM
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31. Good points you make, I'll just add one thing...
The "ruling ideology" concept could apply to any Islamic society that is under Shari'a Law. And they are many. Saudi Arabia comes to mind, as do several places in Africa.

The reason this modern terminology wrankles my panties is because it is being bandied as an identifier of evil, while others (looks to zionists and the Likud) use it and are never taken to task for it.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:40 AM
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33. Exactly
It is a more common term among Middle Eastern secularists who fight against theocratic movements in their respective countries.

Martin
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:39 AM
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32. Gee, then I guess all the secularists
Throughout the Middle East are not to be trusted.

:eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy:

Martin
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