Anyone else hear Schwartzkopf's comments re: Clark this AM?

[grannylib]

Stormin' Norman was on (I think) MSNBC this morning stating that Clark was fired as NATO commander for issues of "character and integrity," which makes him unfit to be President, in Schwartzkopf's opinion.
Anyone know the story of the NATO commander firing thing??

Wonder what he thinks about having a lying sack of shit deserter as Commander In Thief....isn't that a character and integrity issue???

[trumad]

1. Norman who?

Oh yah..he's the guy who won the nintendo war. The dudes just jealous that Wes brought all his men home alive!

[ForestsBeatBushes]

2. Yeah, I think that means

Clark either stood up to Norm or he had some questions...no questions are allowed in the military, doncha know?

[slinkerwink]

3. that goes to show how Clark's uniform can't be all that shiny

Many people liked Stormin' Norman, and still do. I remember talk about having him run for the Presidency at the time. Binging him out against Clark will definitely hurt Clark.

[lancdem]

27. All he did was rehash what Gen. Shelton said a few weeks ago

notice no one ever provides details. Schwarzkopf is a Repub. His commnents are hardly a surprise. Yawn.

[RummyTheDummy]

32. Oh puhhhhhhhhhhhllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzeeeeeee!!!!

Whatever Stormin Norman the Fraud has to say about anything has zero relevance.

[xultar]

35. Finally some intelligence!

[returnable]

4. Didn't hear the comments from Norman...

...but they sound pretty much identical to the junk that Shelton spewed a few weeks back.

The rightwing meme rolls on.

[Waistdeep]

6. He just repeated Shelton's story

He had nothing to add himself.

[mmonk]

5. retired two months early

by getting a signing by Clinton pushed by the pentagon on the basis they need time for the new appointment. His character is fine. He dared disgree on strategy and high altitude bombing I believe.

[knight_of_the_star]

7. The Pentagon didn't like Clark

Because he didn't follow doctrine and because he was, if anything, too gung-ho about doing the right thing. Doesn't sound like a character issue to me. That and Clark has admitted that he didn't get along too well with the "good ol' boys club" that is the upper ranks of the military brass.

[Robb]

8. I have a unique perspective on the General

Norman, that is...having served him drinks during a low-stakes card game he takes part in regularly.

I've often thought waitstaff have good insight into character, how you behave when being served reflects on you, etc. etc.

The guy's something of a jackass. :)

[AP]

10. Let's hear more.

This could be good.

[cally]

14. I completely agree that how you treat wait staff shows who

you are. If you are disrespectful than you are rude in other aspects of your life. I pay attention to the stories about how candidates treat the staff and waiters.

[KittyWampus]

39. Amen! How People Tip Is A Good Indicator To!

I've friends who've driven, waited and hosted for some really wealthy and famous types and it's interesting to find out who treats others like equals and who acts like their you-know-what don't stink.

Somerich people are lousy tippers. :(

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

18. "waitstaff have good insight into character"

oh yes, some people forget that a *human being* is doing the serving, and people who forget that reveal a lot about their character.

so says WCTV, former waiter, busser, and barback!

[spooky3]

41. and my mother. Best advice she ever gave me.

I thought Clark handled this attempt at defamation extremely well during the next-to-last debate. Among other things, he said no one has told him yet exactly what the bases of these complaints are. I have not since that time heard any evidence from Shelton or anyone else.

If people have specific incidents that they care to trot out as indicative of his bad behavior, then let's hear them and give him a chance to respond. I have no interest in vague smears.

[Rowdyboy]

24. Yes, waitstaff can tell a hell of a lot about a person

their general attitude, and their flexibility. Plus, you can find out how cheap or generous they are.

[MadMan]

38. You mean an ILLEGAL low stakes card game?

Taking the high road, huh General?

[cally]

9. Clark went over the brass's heads

Went to the WH for support. That is not a character issue, it's standing up for what you believe.

[AP]

12. Clark was going to stop the war. The pentagon wanted chaos to help Bush

and Republicans win the election.

Also, in The Clinton Wars, Blumenthal writes about how Tories in the Major government were making money selling arms to Milosevic, and getting in on privitization deals with him. I think the RW'ers planned to make some money off that fucker, and they're pissed that Clark wasn't playing ball for their team.

[grannylib]

11. OK found a link with some information....

http://pub73.ezboard.com/fwesleyclark200463811frm12.showMessage?topicID=31.topic

Seems that Cohen wanted to put one of his buddies in that position, so that's part of it...read the link for more info.
Sounds like Normie was overstating the case by quite a lot...
Character and integrity??? Don't think that played into it at all from what I am seeing.

[knight_of_the_star]

13. I hope

That Clark gets on the ball with this and kills this bs asap or his entire candidacy could probably sink in the face of RW bs. Teh nagain, knowing hte general he will probably jump on this and kill it quickly.

[charlie]

15. Fuck Norman

He'll still talk up Powell after that SOB screwed him in Gulf War I, forcing him into a ground war he was trying to avoid:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/122600b.html

I couldn't care less what Norm thinks about Clark. He's a shill for the Bushies.

[mmonk]

20. exactly

I heard them interview one general who said he wouldn't vote for him. When the reporter asked why not, he wouldn't say anything except he wouldn't vote for anyone in "that" party. When asked how good a job he would do, he replied Clark would do a good job, that his position and rank would have provided him with the skills and that he would be one of the most detailed and prepared presidents if elected (they don't like his politics).

[charlie]

29. He did his part

playing the skeptical warhorse, worrying about Dubya's hardon for Iraq -- no case for war, build a coalition first, no rush, too dangerous, blah, blah. Then the fat bastard turned on a dime. What convinced him? Powell's "compelling" UN presentation, the one that fell apart in real time and made us a laughingstock.

"Saddam Hussein is a monster," he said. "The mere thought of Saddam Hussein with a nuclear, biological, chemical capability is frightening to me because the difference between him and some of the other nuclear powers is the fact that he'll use them, and that's what makes it scary."

Eek, you can hear him shivering. Feh. He knew Saddam was even more beat down than when he faced him.

Schwarzkopf had a ringside seat to Poppy's bullshit scam, he knows how they work things. He did Junior a fine turn -- "Whoa, old hardbitten Norm came around? There's gotta be something to this."

Fuck him twice, he's a tool. If he hates Clark, then Clark's stock is soaring in my book.

[lumpy]

49. I do recall Norman taking the sensible route, coalition. etc.

and I for one welcomed his opinion. Yes, "the fat bastard turned on a dime".

[CMT]

16. Shelton said the same but

but I don't trust their motives.

[kentuck]

17. I think the General was asked about this in one of the debates?

The Judy Woodruff debate, I think? I think he stepped on some toes and they took that as somehow not fit for today's military? I haven't heard anything else that would make me think negatively toward the General.

[OHdem10]

19. Reflects worse on Schwartskopf jthan Clark

The New York BooK Review recently carried an article,
"Waiting for the General in which E. Drew very competent author and journalist debunks this smear campaign by the Pentagon. In the article Senator McCain was quoted as saying If people are going to make this acusations they should have the character to explain I say What about Schwarskopf's integrity. Is he just repeating a slur by
Hugh Shelton. The bottom line "Pentagon Politics and professional jealousy. Clark reived Medals as he was discharged. I do not think this would happen if he had flawed character.

[Snellius]

21. He said he didn't even know Clark

He just repeated Shelton's nasty characterization and said "that's good enough for me." As the flunky flown into battle in Florida, who declared Al Gore unfit to be commander in chief because his attorney questioned illegal votes, Old Norm is not exactly an unbiased judge of character.

[Wickerman]

22. Norm is a sack of shite

He was obese and a blowhard who was handy to use for briefings in Gulf War I. Integrity? If he had any he would've trimmed down and worn the uniform right - instead he was a blowhard, overtly political, and an embarassment to all hardworking, non-media creation soldiers everywhere.

[Hep]

23. What an ass

Shame Norman doesn't have a political career of his own.

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Who gives a rat's ass what that chunky asshole says about Clark?

I don't like him.

[xchrom]

26. barf

he makes my skin crawl -- repuke clone -- military industrial whore -- yuck.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. From the guy that got suckered into leaving Saddam his helicopters

so he could annihilate the Kurds after Poppy abandoned them..SWEEEET!

[FrenchieCat]

30. He said that she said that they said that we said that he said.....

That's the story folks.....

I wrote to Bill Moyers to air a program on NOW to clear this shit up.
He would be an excellent venue for it.

If you want to make your voice count, help out and write him as well:
http://www.pbs.org/now/feedback.html

[Nailzberg]

31. How about a gentlemanly duel between the two?

American politics hasn't had a good duel in a while.

[RetroLounge]

33. Hey, I may not be in the Clark Camp

but I can smell bullshit when I see it.

Norman got a call from Bush* Sr. and went out and spewed what he was told to spew.

F*ck him, too.

[xultar]

36. Thanks...Well Said.

When people say Bullshit about Dean I step in....thanks for the help.

[MissMarple]

34. It was a nasty, cowardly attack, no facts, just spiteful, petty gossip .

Norman should be embarrassed. This should be spun around and hurled right back at them. This isn't politics, it's more like 8th grade girls trying to shut someone out of the Friday night dance.

[JNelson6563]

37. Ol' Normie oughta know

being such a Bushie. hahahaha!! A schill like him whining about anybody's character is absurd. It also makes me think quite the opposite is true. Rethugs always project onto the clearest screen they can find.

What an asshole.

Julie

[leetrisck]

40. As Clark has said before, if you want

to know what Shelton (& now Swartskoph??) mean, you'll have to ask them. Think I'll just talk to Shaliskavili???sp He seems to have a pretty high opinion of Clark

[spooky3]

42. The journalists who fail to ask him for specific incidents

are as bad as he is.

[Wapsie B]

43. Screw that fat pig.

Typical right wing crap.

[tlb]

44. I think there is a shoe waiting the right moment to drop on Clark.

We'll see.

[lumpy]

45. Stormin' Norman

Oh wasn't he the brave soldier who commanded the farcical war against Grenada; the war that blew up the mental institution on the hill, also acomplished using travel agency promotional maps and had to revert to using his wifes telephone credit card to contact the boys at the Pentagon? This was Ronnie's well-thought-out, done-in-haste, unneeded-War to rescue medical students who were in absolutely no danger. Killed quite a few collateral Grenadans without an apology. The landing field supposedly being built to make war on the US was being built for anticipating an influx of tourists to pump up the economy. I saw an advertisement in a travel mag a week or so after the assault encouraging travelers to visit the island with great airport accomodations for inflights. The invaders proudly displayed a sad cache of used flea market arms enough to outfit a few tourista skeet shooters.

[eleny]

46. Does Schwartzkopf have a web page or an email addy?

Time to send him my own thoughts. Perhaps he's got a publisher?

How unamerican and without balls. To point out one negative comment and ride it. Norman should be totally ashamed. When I saw it, I yelled at the tv screen I was so angry.

[Donna Zen]

47. The preface

Schwartz...also begins by saying Clark never served with him and that basically he doesn't know him. Notice that they haven't dragged Shelton out. Why? Maybe because he has no answer.

This really pisses me off. If Clark were running as a repub, they'd be dancing in the streets and shouting about his brilliance.

Yes, Kosovo in shambles would have given them the Northern front they were dreaming about.

[funkyflathead]

48. So do will still know why Clark was relieved of NATO command?

Thanks

[mmonk]

50. Pentagon politics

[lumpy]

51. Check grannylib's post #11

showing link to site that might help show why Clark was relieved of his NATO post. Looks like Pentagon politics was the reason.

[fujiyama]

54. I think that's Schumer on the left...

but who is that on right in the photo?

[elperromagico]

52. No, Bush has an R behind his name

That makes his actions acceptable. :D

[incapsulated]

53. So Norman's on the payroll now, eh?

Got his marching orders.

:puke:

Well, we can expect more of this and will have to survive. They are terrified of Clark and the more popular he gets, the harder they are going to hit.

[BurtWorm]

55. Schwartzkopf is being a good little soldier for the BFEE.

End of story.