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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:40 PM
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Am I the only one putting aside my democratness (democratocity?)
when it comes to this economy news? I really dont' give a rats ass who gets or takes credit at this point. I'm just really happy that companies are doing well and more jobs are being put out there. I bitched when there was a downturn and a lot of unemployment, and I'm still not convinced that what we're seeing now will stick. But I hope it does, and i"m trying not to focus on it with regard to what it means for election 2004. I know that's hard to do because it is for me. But for now amidst all the whoring and the depressing elements of it politically that I'm trying to put aside for the moment, I'm going to try and stay positive.

Plus, there is just no way around the fact that anyone who says this is Bush's boom then can't deny that a president has an impact on the economy and therefore Clinton was largely responsible for our years of prosperity in the 90's.
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Stupdworld Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:43 PM
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1. hm
an interesting thought. it does go to the fact though that an economic recovery of any size makes the coming election a one issue battle: iraqnam
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:46 PM
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2. yes
it makes me a bit pissed off when people hear economy news and claim it's a bad thing. that's just heartless.
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BuddyHolly Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:47 PM
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3. Heart
Apparently there is still hope for you! Keep thinking and you'll be out of this muck pretty quickly! :bounce:
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:50 PM
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4. I'm confused...."yes" you agree with me...
or "yes" I am the only one who will accept the positive news as a good thing regardless of what it means politically.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 06:21 PM
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5. That is why all this good news on the
economy is blasted on the news because they know that people will believe anything if repeated enough. Is this a cooking of the books or real recovery? These questions has to be researched and answered before I would jump on the recovery band wagon. Time will tell!
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 06:25 PM
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6. Well this is it
The report I heard specifically mentioned manufacturing as not having grown any. and also this is holiday time--some of those jobs might be seasonal--not sure how that is counted.

I hope it is a real recovery.

Also there's a distinction between believing a flawed economic plan will fail and hopping it does. I mean clearly President Bush's economic plan is not good--but that doesn't mean that the economy is automatically doomed--there are lots of other factors that play into it.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 07:43 PM
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7. I do not need to put it aside, it is a Faux Recovery
I wish it were not, but it is. Nothing will be improving for the underclass or working-class in the USA, but that is not the segment of society by which we measure success of the economy. We do that by measuring the increase in profits for those who are already wealthy.

The stock market is a sham as is the hilariously named "free-market."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:12 PM
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8. #1: Dems Do NOT Want Bad Things (Economy) for the Country
Edited on Fri Nov-07-03 11:32 PM by UTUSN
#2: We are NOT dependent on BAD things for gaining governance.

#3: We are NOT unpatriotic, against this country, or traitors.

The opposites of these are the embedded messages in the original post.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:25 PM
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9. root for whatever you want
but don't be fooled by the "economic statistics game" ...

some have heard that the unemployment rate fell for the third straight month ... sounds good, right? i know lots of people who have been out of work for a very long time ... they're really suffering and their families are suffering ...

but, before we all start rejoicing, consider this disturbing little statistic ... layoffs for the month of october were 125% higher than the layoffs recorded for september ... that means 25% more people lost their jobs in october than did in september ... and their is plenty of evidence that the unemployment rate excludes people who have completely given up even looking for work ... and it certainly does not include those who take jobs well below their skill levels just to pay the bills ... being underemployed is not a rewarding way to make a living ...

so, perhaps the job outlook will improve ... but don't count on it ... we're in the process of killing off our software industry ... most of the new jobs created this month were in the retail sector ... these are not generally high-paying jobs ... what helped fuel the job engine under Clinton was a strong move toward balanced budgets ... haven't seen one of those for awhile ... i'm hopeful ... but extremely skeptical ... bush has got to go ... that's the best economic recovery plan out there ...
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:14 AM
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10. More numbers on our "growing" economy
126,000 jobs were created in October, but earlier this year, during the negotiations for the brilliant tax-cut that supposably made it all happen, the Counsel of Economic Advisers claimed that this strategy would create 344,000 jobs per month.

24,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in the past month. That alone brings the effective job-gain to 102,000.

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