WI: Gov. Jim Doyle (D) vetoes marriage bill

[displacedyankeedem]

Here's Gov. Doyle's statement on his veto

http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/pressreleases_detail.asp?prid=296

This guy has a big set of brass ones, and he sounds like he's also going to veto the CCW bill and pursue low cost drugs via Canada. If I lived in Wisconsin, this guy would be getting lots of my time, energy, and respect. Also, can anyone see this guy as VP material?

[lcordero]

1. Wisconsin??????

Is Progressivism(Feingold) contagious over there?
I wonder what Wisconsin is like...maybe it would be a good place to move to.

[izzie]

2. I get so sick of this stuff. Who cares what people do in their lifes?

I do not wish a drunk in a 2 ton van coming at me but who cares what that person does at home?

[pstokely]

3. will he get overridden?

it happened to Holden in MO

[Silverhair]

4. Notice that he isn't for gay marriage.

He is vetoing that bill on the grounds that gay marriage is already illegal in the state, so a second bill is redundant.

[MessiahRp]

5. I worked for Doyle

in the 2002 Gubernatorial Election against Scott McCallum. In all the times I spoke with him or saw him speak he has never outlined a position where he is against gay marriage. The problem is there is a Republican legislature that is extremely bitter about Doyle's progressive agenda and bitter that we're finally out from under 14 years of Tommy Thompson's rule.

Thompson had people so brainwashed here before that they voted for him even when he was killing the country's welfare system or racking up billions in debt that Doyle has worked hard to get rid of. (McCallum got the job in 2000 when Thompson took a Bush cabinet position and sold off the state's $6 billion tobacco settlement for 30 cents on the dollar which has seriously hurt the state's ability to recover funds on it's debt).

He has struggled with Republicans in the state on an Indian Casino pact that put a lot more Casino money in the state's treasury and seriously help our deficit issues, on a concealed weapons ban that he wants to keep in play, and basically every other issue there is.

Wisconsin to me represents the same demographic statistically as the South.

The big cities vote Dem. Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay has a large part of the State's overall vote and they vote Dem. Some of the smaller cities are undecided but swing slightly center-right in Appleton, Oshkosh, and Fond Du Lac.

The rural areas vote almost predominately Republican. Again that's still because Tommy Thompson used to go to farmers in the state and tell them what they wanted to hear while he did the exact opposite when in office. The funny part is you don't want to consider the rural residents unintelligent or uninformed but I seriously doubt they ever fact checked their Republican candidates after they heard what they wanted to hear in the speeches. Plus hunting is a major issue here because Deer Hunting is one of the biggest events in the state yearly and Republicans cater to the gun issues more.

Overall it's not too bad. I live in Appleton now, lived in Oshkosh for 10 years prior, lived in rural Wisconsin for 7 years and lived in Milwaukee for 5. I have seen all landscapes and travel around enough to see how the views break down demographically.

The area I live in is center-right and it's frustrating that Mark Green is in office with his lips attached to Bush's ass right now. Dottie LeClair, the Outagamie County Democratic Party chair is going to run against him next year so hopefully we can oust his ass from office.

Wisconsin is considered to be a possibly big swing state so if any of you live in one of those stubborn red states that will not change for Bush, please give some thought to moving here and helping sway our vote even more Democratic. It's no given in 2004 to be blue no matter how hard I work in it.

http://www.wisinfo.com/northwestern/news/archive/columns_13002664.shtml

Rp

[MessiahRp]

6. Actually if you want to help

remove Mark Green from office contact Dottie at [e-mail] and see how you can contribute/volunteer to her campaign.

Green is one of the Right's louder voices. He's not Tom DeLay but he's no John McCain either and that makes him just the kind of guy we need to oust from office.

Rp

[Silverhair]

8. I've been through your beautiful state many times.

As an extrucker I remember well the drives through WI. One was particularly notable, you were down to -40.

I must disagree with you on the concealed carry law. It doesn't lead to a restoration of the wild west. None of the states that have concealed carry laws that allow private citizens to reasonably get permits have had a problem. In fact, most show a reduction in crime. Texas does extremely well. (It was Ann Richards opposition to concealed carry that cost her the election to Bush.) There is a background check, the appliciant has to attend a school, and I think they have to qualify with the weapon they are going to carry.

I remember and instance (about 25 years ago) of two counties in Florida, both similar demographics, both urban, that were having a large rash of rapes. One county started a well advertised campaign of police instructing women to shoot. That county's rape rate dropped dramaticaly while the other county's didn't. Somewhere I read that one convict said, "I never raped a .38."

You have probably been told that most murder victims are killed by someone they know. Yep, it's true. But what you are not told is the obvious when you think about it. Most of the mob guys know each other, drug dealers know each other, pimps & hookers & johns know each other, etc. In domestic murders, it never just happens out of the blue. In family killings, the family has a history of violence. The other family members need to leave. Yes, I absolutely support shelters for battered women, and I did volunteer help at a local one - until they got a man hating director who accepted only female help.

By opposing concealed carry, liberals are saying they don't trust Joe & Jane Average. That gives the Reps a chance to say, "Joe & Jane, we trust you." Now who are Joe & Jane more likely to vote for?

Of course there will be many other issues, but for a percentage of the people, that will be enough to tip the scales.

[Zynx]

7. I agree with Doyle's stance on this issue to a large extent.

My personal opinion is that "marriage" is no business of the state. That should be up to the churches to decide. However, property laws and the like that go along with marriage are, of course, up to the state and these should be determined by contract and should apply to any type of union between two people.

[Bushfire]

9. LaCrosse & Stevens Point typically vote Dem btw

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