The Jessica Lynch story they won't talk about on the Sunday Whorefests..

[TruthIsAll]

What was the total number of soldiers in the units involved in the rescue?

Just a coincidence, I guess...

July 7, Josh Speer
(AP) A U.S. Marine who was part of the unit that helped rescue Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch died in a car crash on his first weekend home since returning from Iraq.
http://charleston.net/stories/070803/sta_08marine.shtml

August 23, David M. Tapper
Killed in Afghanistan, the Navy SEAL was part of the Iraq team that rescued POW Jessica Lynch.
Tapper, 32, died there Wednesday while conducting combat operations in a lawless province near the Pakistani border - an area where the military believes the terrorists are operating. Friends here said Tapper was shot in the back during an ambush. He died later at a hospital at Bagram Air Base, the Navy said.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/6599715.htm

October 3, Kyle Williams
The soldier, Spc. Kyle Edward Williams, 21, was found dead outside San Diego on Thursday and officials believe he committed suicide with one of the seven firearms he had been carrying with him. Williams spent seven months in the Middle East as part of the 507th Maintenance Company, the same unit as Pfc. Jessica Lynch, Army officials said.
http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB_local_vehicle_100303.2401f6a.html


October 22, Sok Khak Ung
LONG BEACH, California (AP) -- A Marine who helped in the rescue of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch in Iraq was shot to death at a family barbecue, just 12 days before he was to be discharged. Lance Cpl. Sok Khak Ung, 22, and a family friend, Vouthy Tho, 21, were killed early Sunday in a garage at a Long Beach home by a gunman who fired six to eight shots before fleeing, police said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/22/iraq.marine.ap/

[Old and In the Way]

1. Gotta ask TIA

what are the odds? And what will the odds be one the next one meets an untimely death?

Honestly, though, I don't see what possible reason there could be to snuff out the soldiers involved with her rescue. Other than embarrassing the propagandists, what incriminating evidence against this administration could be known that would compel a concerted action to murder these people?

[TruthIsAll]

4. To calculate the probability, we need to know how many soldiers

were in Jessica's unit and the unit(s) which rescued her.

Three of the four deaths were homicides, suicides, or accidents which occurred here in the states. All in a four month period.

Here are the approximate odds of at least 4 violent deaths in a four month period, assuming four cases: 200, 500, 1000 or 5000 total rescuers:

Rescuers........odds of at least 4 deaths
200............1 out of 14 million
500............1 out of 380,000
1000...........1 out of 26,000
5000...........1 out of 70

I used the Poisson distribution in Excel and 1999 mortality statistics.

For the case N=200:

N = total rescuers= 200
p = prob UNNATURAL death in 4 months= 0.000180667
a= Expected Number of deaths= pN =0.036133333
m = Actual Number of deaths = 4

The probability of exactly m deaths is: P(m) =a**m*exp(-a)/m!

[Petronius Arbiter]

6. Stats-talk always brightens my day...

But are you sure that would be the correct p, given that these people were both more likely to be in combat and in a high-suicide line of work?

[TruthIsAll]

7. Good point. But even if we raise p (for suicides), it would still account

for only one out of the four deaths (gunshot, auto crash). In addition, the soldier shot in Iraq would raise the probability of an unnatural death.

So I agree with your statement. But remember, that only an average of one or two soldiers a day out of 135,000 die from shooting. So I believe the odds are fairly accurate, even for American soldiers in Iraq.

The real question is: were these guys directly involved in her rescue? That's why I look at a universe of 200 to 5000. If they were, and the universe of rescuers was less than 200, look out!

That was your first post. Welcome to DU.

[DrBB]

10. Nice moniker--and another welcome to DU n/t

[newyawker99]

11. Hi Petronius Arbiter!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[welshTerrier2]

12. Welcome to DU ...

there's been some controversy about whether you actually said the following ... I hope you can shed some light on the truth ...

We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganization; and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization.''

- Petronius Arbiter - Greek Navy - 210 BC

[liberalhistorian]

2. I don't want to sound like a paranoid

conspiracy-obsessed Lone Gunman, but something just seems really fishy here. The odds are just too great that this would just be a coincidence, especially the shooting at the barbecue since the shooter seemed to come out of nowhere, target him, then flee. And the six to eight shots is suspicious as well, since if it were motivated by sudden anger after a fight or something like that there wouldn't have been that many shots. Someone in the media REALLY needs to check into all this!

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. While it's obviously a targeted homicide

That soldier was part of the unit that did a diversionary attack while the rescue happened. So it's less easy to think what the motive for a government conspiracy killing him would be.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/102703_ap_nw_marine.html

[ComerPerro]

3. Those are some of the most suspicious deaths I have ever seen

And now she is saying that the government wrongly exxagerated her story....

[lostnfound]

5. Will J. Lynch get quiet now that her brother is headed to Iraq?

He 'just recently' got switched to a different unit and just yesterday, the news was given he was being sent to Iraq.
http://www.newsandsentinel.com/news/story/117202003_new02_Greg.asp

[gardenista]

8. If she's smart, and I think she is, she'll stay very much in the public

eye. If your suspicions are true, that this is in retaliation, and an attempt to silence her, then her only choice is to speak out even louder.

This young man is very impressive. He spoke at the event where Lynch was awarded with the Purple Heart and Bronze Star. He was articluate and intelligent, and obviously loves his sister very much.

That poor family. They never asked for any of this.

[tlb]

9. Soooooooooo

It's simpler to hunt them down one at a time over a period of weeks and months, instead of putting the team, or the targeted members at least, on a mission out in the boondocks where they could be taken out by one stray shot ? And while these are being " disposed of" the other people in the rescue teams who know too much are running around the world freely and able to tell whatever the deep dark secret is, but politely instead remaining silent as they patiently wait their turn ?

And the Sunday news shows won't tell us that.

oo boy.

[TruthIsAll]

13. I heard the news today...oooh boy...

Jessica was raped, almost had her leg amputated, fought like a female Rambo....but then said it was all Bushit!

[Classical_Liberal]

15. I don't believe Wellstone was murdered

because I know midwestern weather and what it does to little airplanes, but I have to admit the deaths around the Lynch rescue are very strange.

[TruthIsAll]

16. Sure. Right. Better not fly to or from MN? You must be kidding. n/t

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