Sickening FRuitcakes turn on American hero Jessica Lynch...

[johnfunk]

... in this thread.

It's sickening. Why do FReepers hate America -- and the men and women who defend it and have every right to views protected by the First Amendment -- so damned much?

[htuttle]

1. Ha

A few months ago, those of us who questioned the offical story were accused of 'beating her up'.

Fascinating. What is paramount to those people is the structural integrity of their little paradigms -- truth, justice, and honor be damned.

[Jack Rabbit]

5. They're just being consistent

They beat up on anybody who questioned the official story up to now. Why should they stop just because PFC Lynch questions the official story?

What, do you expect rightwing morons to be reasonable?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

8. they are being perfectly reasonable and rational to lie about it

They are not interested in the truth, they are interested in creating an "official story" that benefits their interests. Truth doesn't enter into it. It makes perfect sense.

[Liberal Veteran]

25. And I think that's where a lot of criticism from our side came into play..

We knew full well that the official story was hyped beyond belief and that there was more myth than reality in the story. A lot of the criticism of Lynch was that she appeared to be allowing the official line to continue without comment. In that, the criticism was warranted to a degree.

Now that she has finally started to tell her story and appears to be telling the truth, the majority at DU appear to be giving her the laurels she deserves. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to sit back let the mythology rule.

I wish she had come forward a bit earlier, but now that she has, I don't understand why so many DU'ers want to crucify those who criticized her for allowing the mythology to continue.

[Jack Rabbit]

78. Your point is taken

For my part, I didn't question her. After all, she was in a hospital with amnesia (they said). Her memory now seems to have recovered sufficiently for her to recall her weapon jamming and her putting her hands in her head and praying.

Up to now, she has had little opportunity to speak for herself. Yes, now she is and she is getting laurels for it. That is as it should be.

As for the FReepers, let them rot. Their idea of patriotism is serving their leaders propaganda. Truth, justice and the American way? It has nothing to do with truth or justice, and the American way means holding one's breath until one turns blue or until he gets his way. Those bastards can go ahead and turn blue and see if I care.

[RapidCreek]

39. Bush doesn't need a Monica Lewinsky to suck HIS cock!!

He's got bastions of freepers standing in line for that honor.

RC

[Liberal Veteran]

50. Wouldn't that be a bit difficult for them to do....

...with their heads stuffed so far up his butt?

[loudnclear]

53. It's not just the moronic freepers, Charles Kruthhammer sounded like

he wanted to put Jessica before a firing squad for "complaining" about how her situation was use. If anyone watached Inside Washington today, you saw the dispicable Charles almost topped his infamous statement about the innocent Palestinians being killed by IDF forces ("Who cares!") Today he indignatly said about Jessica when it was pointed out that her story was hyped by the military...Charles aske "But why complain about it?"

Sorry, handicap and all, Charles is a dispicable character.

[Classical_Liberal]

71. A couple of months ago Mr Krauthammer quipped that "We liberals

were ONLY angry because Bush stole the election!"

[Jack Rabbit]

76. Well, he had that partly right

Yes, Charlie, we are angry because Bush stole the election. Why aren't you?

[MIMStigator]

55. They're consistently UnAmerican. They hate our country and military.

n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

2. Freepazoids only "support the troops" as long as the troops support BushJr

As soon as one of them speaks out against the regime, they become just another "COMMIE DemoRAT"

[sandnsea]

3. You've GOT to be kidding

After the threads I've read on DU about Jessica Lynch, anybody dares to go after Freepers???

Wow.

[MessiahRp]

6. I agree...

Just because her story turned our way doesn't mean DUers isn't guilty too... In my case I think she's like having a shaky witness on the stand that you fear will blow your case if she gets rattled by the prosecution...

I can't buy into the credibility of what she's saying when there's so many facts against them (Iraqi doctors, the video tapes, her own account that she doesn't remember most of it)...

She's not a credible argument for either side IMO.

Rp

[RapidCreek]

40. She's not a credible argument?

This is the first time we have heard her argument, for christs fucking sakes. What facts go against what she is saying? Facts...give them to me. One by one.

1) Iraqi doctors said they saw no evidence that she was raped. That's a fact.

2)Ms. Lynch says she doesn't remember being raped. that's a fact.

3)It is claimed by a right wing neocon author that Ms. Lynch's US military medical records indicate she was raped.That is a fact.

4)These records do NOT say she was raped. The same military which told lies about her rescue also compiled her medical records, which by the way are confidential and not viewable by anyone but her without her permission. That is a fact.

5)The taping of her 'rescue' was a PR film produced by the military. The same military who lied about her brave fight and dangerous rescue. A fight she does remember, she did not participate in. That is a fact.

6)Those on DU who castigated Ms. Lynch were lead to believe that she backed up the militarys nonsensical account of her capture and rescue. She now has come forward and stated that this account is untrue. That is a fact.

7)The media initially led us to believe that she gladly accepted her 'hero' status when it now becomes clear, she does not. That is a fact.

What of the above is not credible?

RC

[0007]

72. Sounds like you got it right and I agree!

This administration is so good at lying and making new stories that it is beyond my comprehension and imagination. On 60 minutes tonight it appeared they've started back pedalling on the Jessica story by saying the report said "she" instead of "he" - I guess they were referring to the soldier that put up a fight and now want us to think it was in error all along. Wow!!

[chascarrillo]

7. Yeah, we're all of one mind here at DU

People were criticized for bashing Lynch here, so criticizing people on Frei Republik is consistent, is it not?

[Selwynn]

20. Yeah, kind of like Free Republic eh?

[sandnsea]

23. The vast majority...

were absolutely viscious towards her. It was an embarrassment and there wasn't a whole lot of criticism. Now she tells a story we like and suddenly she's a hero. The lack of humanity towards her from DU and FR really shows how low Americans have sunk. The whole thing makes me sick.

[RapidCreek]

46. We were lead to believe by the military

That their story was hers. That is the unfortunate reason that many here "bashed" her. She's now made clear that the Bush PR departments story IS NOT hers. I would imagine that one of the inspirations she found to clear things up...is the fact that many with brains, people who's respect she appreciates realized that the story we were lead to believe was hers, was clearly a lie....and she did not care to be the butt of that lie....or suffer the derision of those who value honor and truth more than self serving bullshit.

She has weathered the storm, come forward and behaved in an honorable fashion. I thank those who so persistently sought to point out the fallacy the Bush PR machine had crafted. It is a shame that the "liberal media" lead us to believe she was party to that fallacy. It is not a lack of humanity which inspired those on DU to find fault with "her" story, quite the opposite, in fact. It was a lack of respect for self serving dishonesty and the persons responsible for perpetuating and or ignoring such dishonesty, either out of ignorance, apathy, design or fear of being accused of inhumanity.

What is more inhuman...turning ones eyes from a lie which could lead to allot more Jessica and Jimmy Lynches being used by Bush or addressing those who partake in and benefit from that lie, with a vengeance?

RC

[Classical_Liberal]

62. Not true. On the few occaisions where she was bashed most

defended her with passion. I personally defended Lynch when a person {who is presently tombstoned probably because I hit alert} called her an ignorant backwoods hick and a war criminal and so did several others.

[Eroshan]

4. This guy is aredneck supreme

To: presidio9

Jessica Lynch is a very brave soldier, but why would anyone want to potentially subject a woman to those sorts of torments by putting them in a dangerous situation in a battle zone? Call me chauvinist if you will, but I do not feel the need to purposefully subject women to the same risks as men in a war.

It seems incongruous at best. Feminists demand the right of women to be sexually assaulted and killed.

If she was anally raped as her book states then why can't the same thing happen to a male POW?

[ProudGerman]

14. heh heh

Someone should inform that man what Turkey has been historically known to do to male POW"s.

[RapidCreek]

47. It does happen to male POW's

You think it doesn't?

RC

[tom_paine]

9. They hate us for our freedoms

Now if we, like they, would line up uniformly in unquestioning obedience to Der Fuhrer, then we'd be ok to have our "own opinions".

So much time and money has been invested in programming these monsters.

Goebbels v2.0 is much more effective than Goebbels v1.0. At least we can be fortunate the Busheviks have not yet felt safe enought o beng their own version of Kristallnacht (which I suspect will be "Liberal Internet Kristallnacht" this time around, and for a start.

[Eroshan]

10. do you think

that will be released as a beta version?
Goebbels v2.0 is much more effective than Goebbels v1.0. At least we can be fortunate the Busheviks have not yet felt safe enought o beng their own version of Kristallnacht (which I suspect will be "Liberal Internet Kristallnacht" this time around, and for a start.

[tom_paine]

15. Nope, I think the Busheviks have already worked most of the bugs out

Notice how easy it is for the Busheviks to launder lies into "conventional wisdom" lately?

Iraq had something to do with 9/11
The votes have been counted and recounted and recounted
Iraqi WMDs are 45 minutes from launch
Bush is a Texas Cowboy (the pussy can't even ride a horse!)
and so much more...

Frank Luntz does their beta-testing.

He's an "independent" pollster, you know.

[Faygo Kid]

11. They spout the Bush party line. Disagreeing is treason.

While there are a few dissenters, most buy the Bush party line all the way, no exceptions. They throw the accusation of treason out at those who disagree more and more all the time. It will get worse in the coming year. FR is becoming the Republican mainstream, and no, I do not believe that is an exaggeration.

[jfxgillis]

12. Son of a BITCH

Three days ago the roles were almost exactly reversed between FR and DU.

There's a whole bunch of posters on both boards who need to be ashamed of themselves and it's a DAMN CERTAIN thing that this board is in no position to be tossing darts at that board on this issue.

Everyone should a break and do some introspection on this. Things like "Why was I so hasty to judge?" "Can it be that on some issues clean and clear ideological solutions, even my own ideology, are inadequate or non-existent?" Or how about, "Maybe almost everyone approaches issues in good faith, even if they are wrong on the facts or misguided in their interpretation, and maybe I oughtta think that maybe people who disagree with me aren't evil, just different in outlook."

What was it Kurtz says at the end of "Heart of Darkness," or "Apocalypse Now," something like "THE HYPOCRISY, OH THE HYPOCRISY"??

[Classical_Liberal]

41. Bull everyone didn't say something bad about Lynch

. Most defended her.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. The only real thing I can say negative about Lynch...

...is that the use of the word "hero" is a bit of a stretch. Yes she did her duty to her country and I respect that, but it seems like the word "hero" is tossed about a little too casually for my tastes. Patriot, yes. Brave, yes. Worthy of respect, yes. Hero? I think that's a debatable term.

[OldSoldier]

104. You should live outside Fort Bragg!

There are over 50,000 troops assigned to Fort Bragg units. If you were to believe our local paper, all of them are heroes no matter who they are or what they do.

Following that line, the people who drive forklifts in the Division Materiel Management Center warehouse are heroes. Ain't true, they know it. The 82nd Airborne couldn't run without DMMC, that's true, but saying that a guy who runs a crab-steer reach truck is a hero because he wears camouflage fatigues to work instead of blue overalls or an orange apron is just a bit of a stretch.

[Clark Can WIN]

16. They get pissed when REALITY shows up to

burst their little bubble of Bush love.

I wondered if Jessica would understand how badly she was used by the Bush propeganda machine. The whole story is just sad and I feel bad for her and all the soldiers we've lost and hurt and destroyed in this useless war.

[elperromagico]

17. "But all we want is the truth!"

Remember when the conservatives were screaming that back during the impeachment? "We aren't impeaching him for sex, we're impeaching him for lying."

It was all about the truth to them then. But now that this young woman has the guts to tell the truth about what really happened, they tell her to "shut the h*$% up!"

I wonder, if she went on O'Reilly, would he scream at her to "SHUT UP!" and turn her microphone off?

Hypocritical cocksuckers, the lot of them.

[Kamika]

18. You gotta love this answer

POST 4.

"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," Lynch said in an interview with Diane Sawyer that airs Tuesday, Veterans Day. "Yeah, it's wrong," Lynch said. "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things" they said.

So, dearest Jessica, you and your family have not benefitted financially from any of this?? Is that right?


**above answer symbolizes the freeper mentality so good

[Selwynn]

21. Saw the EXACT same thing here...

So might want to get off the moral high ground on this particular issue.

[jfxgillis]

26. How many times did you see it here?

Oh, I dunno, maybe fifty.

I am so PISSED OFF I'm of a mind to get myself banned from both boards.

Everyone needs to get off their moral high horse, as you say.

I was hoping my "Son of a BITCH" post would knock some sense into people, but this thread goes on, merrily throwing self-righteous darts.

Have you got a two by four I can borrow for a little sense-knocking?

[Classical_Liberal]

43. 2 times

Your son of a bitch post was riduclous flame bait since most people here never said anything bad about Lynch. When people did, she was defended by 10 others.

[jfxgillis]

49. Well, let's ask Skinner

To repost the fifty or so he deleted.

And it was in no way 10 to 1, not before her further comments about being "symbolized" were made public.

And you're goddamn right my earlier post was flamebait. A well-earned flame as far as I'm concerned.

[Classical_Liberal]

52. so now it is fifty posts instead of 50 people

yeah right.

[jfxgillis]

56. Oh wow, are you stretching

The harsh condemnations, personal insults and mocking contempt directed towards Lynch and the rape incident reported in her book shamed this forum. Did I count them individually? No. I was too DISGUSTED. Pardon me.

I specifically pointed out days ago that the righty-bloggers were watching, and that was before I saw the the Righty-bloggers watching.

After that shameful episode, the shame was deepened by the blatant hypocrisy evinced on this forum of which this thread is a perfect exemplar.

And you think you can settle that by nit-picking over "posts" or "people."

[Classical_Liberal]

61. I never saw anything about the rape other than people saying

she doesn't claim to be raped, so it is probably another government lie, which is the damn truth. It looks like your just trying to hush criticism about the freepers by shaming people like me who never said anything bad about Lynch, over a few over-the top maybe disrupter posts.

[jfxgillis]

70. No, really

Write to Skinner.

He deleted a slew of rape-oriented posts the other day.

Maybe my problem is that I happened upon that thread before it got cleaned, was appalled, then when I went back to it it had a bunch of empty posts. So you literally saw a different DU than I did.

I don't think I was shaming you if you never posted along the lines I suggested. Moreover, I was drawing a comparison between "Jessica Lynch Threads" as they developed separetly and at different times on the two boards. First, she was a hero there and a dupe or a villian here; now she's a hero here and a dupe or a villian there.

As for the government lie thing, actually, in the totality of the circumstances I think it more probable than not that she was raped, but it's one of those "we'll never know" things.

[Classical_Liberal]

73. My views are different, but that isn't saying anything bad about Lynch

. It is saying neocons are lying pond scum.

[Isome]

69. I'm staying on my moral high horse ...

and no one is bad enough to knock me off of it.

I never bashed Jessica Lynch. I was very skeptical of the official story that she was a shooting, stabbing dynamo. I was incensed that Shoshana Johnson wasn't revered as much as Jessica. I do not now believe she was raped, considering she remembers all the other traumas she experienced and the conveniently vague language used in the medical records ("indicate rape"). I was adamant that Jessica wasn't the one putting out the stories that she was a hero, but was merely a pawn in the GOP's game.

I'd like a link to those threads where Jessica was allegedly bashed unmercifully by most DU'ers (as is being implied), so I can sit on my moral high horse and *tsk tsk* the night away. It is my impression, from the threads I've read and/or participated in that most people were quick to remind everyone that Jessica exhibited bravery by just coming out alive and that she wasn't a party to the government's charade.

*gracefully gallops away on her moral high horse, with an elegant braided mane*

[Kamika]

30. lol show me ONE time someone said that

Or atleast something close.


Sorry but i cant believe someone here would tell her to shut up because she will get rich.

[Selwynn]

33. You're joking right?

Just do a search with the words "Jessica Lynch" in it and see the number of threads in which people were ripping on Jessica Lynch for making money off our ordeal. The issue wasn't that they were telling her to shut up because she would get rich (which is not what they were saying anyway) - it was the issue of saying her actions or inactions were motivated by her being a greedy money whore. That's the sentiment that has been on all sides - first here when it looked like she was't going to contradict the official story, and now over there when it seems that she is. That's the EXACT same thing I am referring to.

[Kamika]

38. Thats not what I reacted too

The comment the freeper made was basicly that she has no right to complain because shes makin money from it.

[RapidCreek]

48. Well Selwyn...I didn't call her a greedy money whore

I did suggest that for someone who claims to want to be left alone...the signing of a book and movie deal...was highly disengenouse. I'll say it again....because it is. Whether she makes money on it or not, is immaterial....or is it?

Just for the record....what, in your opinion, were her motivations?

RC

[jumptheshadow]

37. You couldn't be more right

There was quite a bit said on this board about Jessica Lynch. She's a kid, who, no matter how you cut it, went through quite an ordeal. I hope everybody leaves her alone and gives her the respect she deserves.

[Classical_Liberal]

42. I didn't see a pigpile nearly as big on Lynch here.

. Stop claiming it.

[RapidCreek]

58. Where did you see it?

Give me a link. The exact same thing. Go, hotshot. Link away.

RC

[gardenista]

80. Who needs a link? Just go to post #36.

.

[RapidCreek]

81. That is not the exact same thing

Not even close. Try again. She did cash in on it...do you deny it? It is somewhat odd that a person who claims to want to be left alone would sign a book and movie deal...isn't it?

RC

[gardenista]

83. Did she sign a movie deal?

No. She did not. She is not involved in the film being shown tonight.

Is she getting paid for publishing a book about her life and experience? Yes. She signed a $1 Million dollar book deal. She also set up a foundation for a portion of that and any royalties to go to Lori Peistewa's two children, along with other children in the Hopi community Peistewa is from.

I don't call this cashing in. If you wrote your life story, including compelling events that had gained national attention, do you feel you should not get paid for your work?

Let's get real about that "cash". Her life is no longer her own. People all over the country are speculating about whether she was raped, whether it's fair that she got medals awarded to her, whether she is prettier than the barbie doll who played her (against her wishes) on TV.

Why not see what the content of the book is? I think she's trying to get her version of events out in the open. How else do you suggest she do it? Telepathically? The fact is that books cost money and authors get paid for them. This is a compelling story, and people, including me, will want to hear her version of events. What is wrong with her getting paid?

And I'm sorry, but $1 Million dollars is not enough, as far as I'm concerned. (By the way, that is split with the author.) In my neighborhood that buys you a small house. Period.

[RapidCreek]

89. Yep you're right she walked away from the movie deal.

And yea I call the book deal cashing in. She could most assuredly have gotten her story out. It's called an interview...they do them on tv, the radio and in the newspapers all the time.

Whether what she did is right or wrong is a matter of opinion. In mine, if one claims not to want notoriety one does not seek to profit from it. Taking the time to clarify what the truth is, is one thing. Profiting from it is quite another. I guess those kids in her battalion who wouldn't have been as attractive as the star of a 'poor little white girl' tragedy are just shit out of luck as far as cashing in on what they went through, eh? How about the families of the 300 or so kids that died? You know, the ones who's mangled corpses are ugly...the ones who our president disrespects by attending, not one of their funerals and hiding them as they are repatriated.

Another thing. If she had chosen an author to write her story, who was not a neocon freak I might agree with you. That is not the case, however.

Maybe she'll use the money she gets for a good thing. I understand she is establishing a trust for the education of disadvantaged kids...one of whome is the child of her friend that was killed. If that is indeed where the money ends up then kudos to Jessica. I can applaud that action 100%. It will cement in my mind that she is indeed a hero of the highest caliber.

Jessica doesn't need a small house....the people of her town built her a big one...for free.

RC

[gardenista]

93. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the book part. I'd like to know

more about the author she's working with. You say he's a neo-con. I have not kept up with that part of the story. Do you have any links?

I think it's nice that her town built her a big house. I thought it was just an addition to the one she grew up in.

I am as devastated as you are that the Bush WH disrespects the soldiers who died, as well as Shoshana Johnson. But how is Jessica Lynch culpaple for that?

Also, are you absolutely sure that none of the others in her unit have made deals? I understand that several of those in her unit made deals on the movie, and did NOT walk away.

The movie is just a propaganda piece glorifying the Iraqi lawyer who *is* cashing in. He gets citizenship for his family, a house, a $300,000 book deal for a book which he strategically got on the market a week before Lynch's, and he is the hero of the film. Now, if you want an example of some one cashing in on this story, there is a great one.

[Selwynn]

19. Yeah well, no one was calling her "America Hero" around here...

until just recently... now I hear all this talk about what a patriot she is, and how heroic...

A few months ago no one here had anything nice to say either. I'm sorry but it's just such a joke to me how when Jessica Lynch seemed to be benefiting the republicans there were threads here speaking not to kidnly about here, and the free republic folks were singing her praises. Now that she starts speaking for herself, and some of it happens to beneift us, now we call her an "American Hero" while the free republic folks bash everything.

Sel

[Liberal Veteran]

24. What would like people to do?

Prostrate themselves and beg your forgiveness for being subject to human nature?

[Name removed]

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[Liberal Veteran]

29. Can you really blame people?

The majority of the criticism that I saw had to do with the fact that she appeared to be going along with an obvious propaganda ploy by the administration. Sure there were some over the top remarks, but the majority just had to do with the fact that we knew we weren't being told the truth.

I don't see why anyone should feel chagrined now that she has finally decided to stand up and dispell some of the mythology.

[jfxgillis]

32. Yes I can blame people

Because they were in effect holding her responsible for the lies told by others.

[Classical_Liberal]

63. but you can't blame everyone

I defended Lynch so I have every right to criticise freak repuklic.

[jfxgillis]

65. Yeah, and there are many on FreeRepublic

similarly defending Lynch as we speak.

What I said was the board roles have almost exactly reversed, and that I maintain is true. We had people condemning and defending Lynch, they have people condemning and defending her.

The thing is, it's easier and more fun to just trash FreeRepublic than it is to do the tough introspection that requires one to note the rather striking similarities in the two boards' responses.

[Classical_Liberal]

66. What interests do you have in defending freak repuklic?

? It isn't true that the rolls are reversed. Freepers try and get people fired from their jobs, and call our private investigators to find dirt on those who criticize the President. Nobody does that here.

[jfxgillis]

67. Huh?

I'm not defending freerepublic, I'm critiquing DU, or rather, the class of DU posters who posted condemnations of Jessica Lynch earlier in the week.

Actually, though, I COULD deend FR if you wanted me to, but that's for another thread.

[Classical_Liberal]

68. You are saying we're the same it ain't true

Alot of the real bad offenders are tombstoned and even they didn't try to get Jessie Lynch fired, or stalk her with Privite Investigators to find dirt on her like the Freepers will. They didn't organize any protests at her public appearances or disrupt her speeches like the loud mouth Free republicans will. FR is tamer than it was but only because it was threatened with lawsuites, and jailings. The worst offenders at FR do more than say nasty things. They stalk and harrass. They still do organize these brown shirt festivals even though they can't talk about it on free republican anymore.

[jfxgillis]

75. Two points

First. I made the comparison based on a very specific and restricted set of circumstances, namely the "Jessica Lynch Threads" this week. They're "Activism" isn't the issue. I know better than you how nasty they can be; when I was writing in defense of Clinton during Impeachment I got 120 e-mail viruses sent to my account and a handful of death threats.

Two. The sort of blindness to cognitive dissonance that CAN make some freepers a threat is the same cognitive dissonance that allowed some DUers to blithely switch from "she's trash" to "she's a hero" with nary a blink of an eye. If you think that I'm saying I think some DUers might therefore someday be capable of the discreditable behavior you ascribe to the freepers, then you are correct.

[Classical_Liberal]

82. Name a specific DUer who blithely made such a switch?

?

[jfxgillis]

84. What do you think this is?

Nit-picking gotchas?

I've told you before, I'm discussing "Jessica Lynch Threads." Click through the archives 'til you get to the first Drudge Re-posts of the anal rape report, Wednesday afternoon, I think, Maybe Thursday morning. Then read the threads (such as remain after the Moderators excised the most reprehensible comments).

Then go over to FR and perform the same exercise.

NO. I will not name "a specific" DUer who blithely pivoted because my comments aren't about "a specific" DUer.

[Classical_Liberal]

86. aha, you can't name one, unless you are insinuating John Funk

the original poster in this tread attacked lynch or perhaps it was that you just assume that people like me who criticise free republic were attacking Lynch. Telling us to be introspective even though we didn't attack her.

[Name removed]

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[Classical_Liberal]

97. The individual I was referring to got tombstoned

so they aren't calling Lynch a hero now. You are being intellectually dishonest if you make that claim. Hint John Funk wasn't the guy I sent alert on. I don't have an obligation to be introspective about a guy I sent an alert on. You are just generalizing about Duers. Admit it.

[jfxgillis]

99. Admit what?

That I believe in the argument I've been making all along?

Why would I "admit" that?

I PROCLAIM it.

[Classical_Liberal]

45. No, I didnt say anything bad about Lynch

and neither did most of the people here. Why do you post on both boards?

[Selwynn]

31. No, just not be hypocritical about it. :)

[Clark Can WIN]

35. I never said anything bad about the poor girl

So why do I have to beg your forgiveness?:crazy:

It's wrong on both sides of the fence to trash the poor kid for ending up in hellish situation and ending up as a PR volleyball. Seems simple enough.

[Name removed]

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[Liberal Veteran]

57. Since I never bashed Lynch....

Is it okay if I skip the introspection and groveling?

[jfxgillis]

59. I thought you were speaking for

the people who had. They were subject of your reply.

And you were the one who suggested groveling.

All I said was engage in a little introspection.

[Liberal Veteran]

60. No I was merely saying that we had to take human nature into account...

...all this backbiting about this seems totally unnecessary to me, as if it were the whole or even majority of DU that was bashing Lynch. I certainly saw a healthy amount of skepticism concerning the truth of the matter, but the bashing was the minority and most of it was aimed at a story that was never very believable (that would be the Pentagon's version).

[jfxgillis]

64. What aspect of human nature is that?

The aspect of human nature I noted was the ability of people to disregard cognitive dissonance with almost frightening alacrity.

Also the aspect of human nature to condemn in other the faults we face in ourselves.

Also the aspect of human nature that prevents people from thinking one day ahead even though we surely have the rational tools to do so.

[Classical_Liberal]

44. Bull. 90% of the people here were nice to Lynch and defended her

from the few creeps that visit.

[0007]

77. I'll go along with that statement...

I think we have a few troll out tonight and it even isn't a full moon.

[T Bone]

87. 2 interesting things I gathered here about the freeps

1. The person who posted the freeper comment where the freep wondered how much money she had made off the movie portrayal of her. That was odd. It was really like the freeper complaining that she was bought off, & why wouldn't she STAY bought off. Maybe because she has some personal intergrity, and basic dedication to the truth of her experience ? I would guess the original DU posts that complained about her profitting were really decrying that here was the right wing just buying more pr for their agenda. Obviously Jessica Lynch was just selling the rights to *A* portrayal and when she saw it as patently false, she said so.


2. Through massive public pressure and ranting they cancel the Reagan special on CBS, forcing it to pay tv; In juxtaposition isn't it odd that they allow this Jessica thing to go on, but then bash the actual subject of the show when she says it's not true and accurate??
---whereas with the Reagan series, one thread of their hue and cry was that with his Alzheimers he was unable to 'defend' himself, therefore it had to be pulled according to them.

The conclusion to me is that they have no compunctions to the use of propaganda to further any political agenda. To hell with genuine merits for their agenda, just promote it through propaganda and bullying. They truly are fascists. The two points above make it glaringly obvious.

[Catherine Vincent]

88. The only thing I said about Lynch that would be considered bashing

..is that she wasn't that pretty. Other than that I didn't say much about her. Ever since when she said those few words on her parents' porch, I got the opinion that she wasn't a Bush* apologist.

I don't know Jessica Lynch but I am proud of her for speaking the truth.

[RapidCreek]

51. One who allows a lie to persist,

a lie which will inspire other young people to get themselves into a similar situation IS NOT A HERO regardless of the pain sustained prior to it's telling. One who stands up, tells the truth and refuses to be party to such a lie IS A HERO. Up until recently she did not stand up and tell the truth. She has done so...perhaps to her disadvantage...and for that she has gained my true and genuine respect. Some people prefer respect founded on reality, some will take it any way they can get it. The first is honorable...the second is not. Lynch, it would seem knows and appreciates the difference....you, it would seem, do not.

The truth benefits us? The truth does a hell of allot more than that, it benefits her, her fellow soldiers and those thinking of becoming soldiers. It benefits all Americans, Democrat and Republican alike....Whether it benefits us is immaterial...and your assertion that it does, tells me something about the workings of your mind.

RC
USN VET

[Zynx]

22. F@cking Reich-wingers.

They have no respect for the military they supposedly prize so much.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

28. I have never been against her.

But I have felt, from the beginning, that she was being used. Now, she confirms the fact.

That little slip of a woman has more character in her pinky than the whole administration. While that does not make her a hero, it is surely worthy of our admiration and respect.

Forsooth, it did not take her pulling a trigger, either.

[johnfunk]

34. She served with honor -- AND she spoke out about being exploited.

Two good reasons to call Ms. Lynch a hero, in my book.

A gentle reminder...
Support our troops: BRING THEM HOME, GOVERNOR!
Support our vets: RESTORE SERVICES CUT BY THE GOP!

[Skittles]

36. I'd respect her more

if she hadn't cashed in first.

[gardenista]

74. I was wondering when you'd show up. nt

.

[0007]

79. It would have made it more creditable...

I think it was all out of her control!

What do I know?

[Cat Atomic]

85. 'America-hating lefties are twisting her words'

"America-hating lefties are perhaps twisting Jessica's words against her.

Cognitive dissonance at it's finest.

[grasswire]

91. I don't think...

....most freepers know that Lynch has donated her profits to a foundation to educate children including the kids of her friend who died in the ambush.

Maybe Gillis could post that over there, since he has posting rights on FR.

[jfxgillis]

92. Oh brother. Thanks fer nuttin'

On edit:

(smile)

SERIOUSLY.

I let this issue percolate for a couple of days here before I chimed in. I need to broach the subject delicately over there because here I'm "family," there I'm a "house guest."

Look for me maybe Tuesday if I can find an old pal who'll stick up for me.

[gardenista]

95. all in good time....

thanks for trying, tho! ;-)

[LoZoccolo]

94. They told us to "support our troops"...

...as if we weren't doing that by protesting the war. It was like, even if you don't support this war, you should at least keep quiet while it's going on so as to not diminish the morale of the ones putting their lives on the line.

OK...then why this? It's now obvious some people were using the troops as a diversion. It never was about them, it was about supressing dissent.

[LoZoccolo]

96. Maybe we should send her some flowers or something.

Maybe she's getting a lot of hate mail by now and needs to know a bunch of people applaud her honesty to act as a citizen, always willing to expect more of her government by criticizing it, in conjunction with her duty as a soldier.

I heard some people arranged to send Senator Byrd some flowers a while back, how did that all work?

[jfxgillis]

100. I wouldn't

Seriously. I might be wrong, but go read the book excerpt in Time and see if you agree with me.

She got majorly flooded with so much stuff before she doesn't know what to do with it.

And she really really REALLY seems modest enough that she's uncomfortable getting all this stuff.

Maybe a card or letter through the publisher of her book? I dunno ... A donation to the Lori P. Foundation?

[gardenista]

102. A donation to the Lori Peistewa foundation through her publisher

sounds like a great idea.

[ComerPerro]

98. Never doubt that these people are disgusting assholes

Who will do anything to protect thier glorious leader.

I knew this shit would happen. The administration will say that the Pentagon never gave the media version of that story, and that the media is responsible for all this.

This administration gets away with everything.

Why do people think there will be an election? (I am going to probably start making that my signature line)

[Renew Deal]

101. Send this to Malloy, Randhi, and the Wall St Journal OpEd.

They have covered DU. Let them cover Freeperville.

[Liberal Veteran]

103. Jessica Lynch gets turned on by fruitcakes?

Sorry, I just re-read the headline "Sickening FRuitcakes turn on American hero Jessica Lynch.." and it came out with an entirely different meaning.

(Thought this thread could use a bit of levity)