I use to like Dean

[aeon flux]

There was a time when i would have voted for him in a heartbeat. But he shows his true colors by voting to keep funding the bogus war. His vote was a terrible miscalculation that will come back to haunt him.

Dean reveals his true colors as a Repug-Lite. Don't be fooled. He is a PNAC-enabler. I have lost all resepct for the man. Kudos to Kerry and Edwards for sticking to their guns by voting NO to the $87b.

Let's face it, Dean has proven himself to be a PNAC-enabler. Fool me once, shame on YOU, fool me twice, shame on DEAN.

[onebigbadwulf]

1. what vote are you talking about?

Dean and Kucinich were the biggest anti-war people out there. The only reason Dean thinks it necessary to stay now is to prevent genocide and/or saddam coming back.

[Faygo Kid]

2. ???? He can't vote to fund the war

What are you talking about? Dean isn't even in public office, nor has ever been in office in DC. Weird post.

[slinkerwink]

3. HUH?

Dean IS NOT in Congress and DID NOT vote to fund the "bogus war"......you ARE clearly out of your element on here....

[xJlM]

13. Hmmmm...

According to the information here http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/dean_062303_131529.pdf he voted against the war resolution. Or at least according to the words out of his mouth. Reality may be a different story, but that doesn't much seem to matter to Dr. Dean.

[Tinoire]

35. I can't believe my lying eyes!

I want a foreign policy that is consistent with American values. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only major candidate running, who's in reasonably good shape in the polls, who voted “No” on the Iraq Resolution.

http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/dean_062303_131529.pdf

Dated June 5

That's pretty bad. Dean voted "NO"? In what alternate reality? Really, really bad when you factor in the lie against Kucinich there...

This is indeed a strange statement.

Another mis-speak. Dean is going to have to be careful because in the information age, these mis-speaks have legs.

[JohnKleeb]

36. I am not bashing here but Ive seen people claim this was a mistake

That is no gaffe. Anyways I still support Kucinich.

[Zynx]

4. Um...

I'm not sure what you mean by he voted for the $87 billion and I don't know why you praise Kerry and Edwards for "sticking to their guns". The voted for the IWR out of political motivation.

[aeon flux]

5. Dean said he would have voted for the funding

[JohnKleeb]

7. I didnt hear that, I thought he said he would have if Bush took back the

taxcut, even if Bush did I still would have said no.

[SahaleArm]

14. In one of the debates...

he said he would only support the $87B funding if taxes were rolled back to pay for it. Kind a strange way to say your for balanced budgets though?

[JohnKleeb]

18. shrug

I heard that too.

[Zynx]

9. Where?

Cite it please.

[Rose Siding]

12. here

on edit- Zynx this is a response to the poster you were addressing and not you- my error :(


Statement by Governor Dean on the $87 billion supplemental appropriation

NEW YORK--Democratic presidential candidate Governor Howard Dean, M.D.,
issued the following statement this morning:

"Just over a year ago, Congress gave President Bush a blank check to
start a pre-emptive war without demanding answers to the tough
questions. Many of us said that we should have never started this war.

"From Vermont I could see that the President did not make the case for
war. There was no credible evidence that Iraq posed an imminent threat
or had a nuclear program. With Congressional approval, the President
rushed these troops to war and now he and the Congress are rushing to
approve another blank check.

"Let me be clear, I strongly support our troops and hope, with all
Americans, for their safe return home. And the responsible action for
our troops is to demand that the President immediately submit a new plan
for supporting our troops and rebuilding Iraq. The results of the last
hastily-made Iraq policy decision are all too evident today. Congress
owes it to our troops, the American people and the people in Iraq to
make the right decision this time.

"I would oppose President Bush's latest request for a blank check unless
the President submits a new plan that is paid for out of the tax cut.
The new plan must give our troops what they need and bring them home
safely, share this burden with other nations, ensure the stabilization
and rebuilding of Iraq, and make sure that the billions of dollars we
are spending are not wasted and used to pay off big corporations.
Congress must demand that the President submit this new plan
immediately.

"Too many in my party, like Senators Kerry, Edwards and Lieberman, and
Congressman Gephardt allowed the President to get us into this misguided
war. It is clear General Clark also supported the war at this time. The
right choice would have been voting 'no' last fall; voting 'no' now
cannot erase that poor decision. Trying to have it both ways
demonstrates neither strong leadership nor good judgment."

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9936

[Zynx]

17. His position is different than just plain out supporting the $87 billion.

"Congress must demand that the President submit this new plan
immediately."

This part in particular.

As for Edwards and Kerry, their vote was shameless. Vote for the war when it is popular and then vote against the funding for the troops that are there because of the war resolution you voted for. Disgusting.

[Rose Siding]

19. I know

My post should have been addressed to who you had responded to- sorry.

[Zynx]

20. That's okay.

My mistake.

[SahaleArm]

22. I think he was trying...

a little too hard to play the balanced budget angle. It sounds like he's saying yes to the $87B funding but paid for by repealing taxes.

[Eric J in MN]

31. thanks

Thanks. The impression I got from a debate was that he would vote for it unconditionally, but based on the press-release he would demand that it be part of a balanced budget and have accountability.

[Rose Siding]

21. Not as such- see post 12

[JohnKleeb]

6. huh?

Dean is a congressman? I never heard. Anyways I still support the only candiate who voted no to IWR and the money, thank you Dennis Kucinich.

[Rose Siding]

8. Kerry and Edwards voted FOR the war

What guns did they get stuck to?

And Dean DID say no on 87 billion unless certain conditions were met.

[bowens43]

10. Did he?

Prove it or at least tell me how the governor of Vermont gets to vote on a bill that's before the congress of the united states.

[Zynx]

11. FORMER Governor of Vermont.

;) It makes it even harder.

[jeter]

15. Huh?

Dean isn't in Congress. How could he vote for anything?

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[Jackhammer Jesus]

23. I wouldn't be so quick to pull the Freep Alarm

considering I often seen DU regulars accuse other candidates of being PNAC/RNCers for equally false reasons.

I tend to write it off as misinformation and/or gullibility.

[Jacobin]

24. This place is crawling with them

Disruption reigns supreme

[aeon flux]

25. No links

I'm going by what Dean said during the debate hosted in the Fox theater. Along the lines of "I wouldn't vote against the $87 billion that would keep and supply the troops in Iraq."

Not an exact quote but very similar, in response to a question by an incredulous Kucinich as to why Dean said he would have voted for the $87 b package.

That indicates to me that once in office, Dean would follow in the footsteps of the PNACers. Looks to me like he's trying to pull another Nixon-style switch and bait.

[Zynx]

27. Read. It does you some good in life,

"I would oppose President Bush's latest request for a blank check unless
the President submits a new plan that is paid for out of the tax cut.
The new plan must give our troops what they need and bring them home
safely, share this burden with other nations, ensure the stabilization
and rebuilding of Iraq, and make sure that the billions of dollars we
are spending are not wasted and used to pay off big corporations.
Congress must demand that the President submit this new plan
immediately."

Refer to post 12 if you need to.

[Cha]

29. Thank you for posting this...out

of the mud comes clarity!

[slinkerwink]

26. well....we've provided information to "correct" your misinformation...

just look at post #12....

[Cleita]

28. So why don't you keep your criticizm of Dean to yourself and

tell us about the candidate you want and why? I might be more inclined to listen to someone who praises a candidate he likes rather than trash the one I like.

[Padraig18]

30. Dean didn't vote to fund anything to do with Iraq.

He's not a member of Congress.

[NashVegas]

32. Too Bad You Never Liked English

.

[Kahuna]

33. LOL! Dean had no vote. I believe you have him...

confused with one/some of the other candidates.

[Cleita]

34. I think he has him confused with Trent Lott.

LOL

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. Me thinks

you are talking about the wrong person?

[Skinner]

38. I'm locking this.

It's inflammatory.

Skinner
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