Would You Sacrifice All or even Part of the 1st Amendment to

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ensure Bush wasn't re-elected in 2004?

This is, of course, in regards to the flag-burning amendment that is supported by some Democratic candidates.

[Langis]

1. I would rather have Bush gone in '04

I'm sorry I really hate Bush, and I would give up the right to do something I would never do anyway to get him out of office.

[Guaranteed]

3. Would you give up your right to speak out against the

policies of the government?

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. We already have.

Patriot Act??? and "Free Speech Zone"??? I would vote for ABB....our COMPLETE constitution will be gone if THOSE assholes are left in office.

[DrFunkenstein]

4. 4 Years Vs. Forever

I'll stick with forever.

[Terwilliger]

5. I would never use a gun, lets sacrifice the 2nd amendment to defeat Bush!

[ibegurpard]

7. Wow, that's pretty scary.

n/t

[xultar]

2. I don't think it is that simple

The candidates who favor protecting the flag
Dean
Dennis
Clark
Dick

Are all front runners...The others are slipping.

I'm not willing to give up on the first amendment. I don't think any of the candidates said that they would sign an amendment.
Dennis actually voted for the amendment but I'm sure he knew that it wouldn't pass.

It will never get to the point where a president has to make a choice on that issue. And if the cold day in hell actually occurs and it does get to a presidents desk I'm sure he or SHE will send it back for some rewording.

BTW What does burning a flag say? If you could write it on paper would would it read? If you could yell it would would you yell?

[mlawson]

9. A president CAN'T 'make a choice on that issue'.

Presidents are essentially separate from the amendment process. They can't veto them, and they do not need to sign them; it's a process between the legislative and the judicial.

So, Clark *could* push the amendment, if elected. But why would he, then???

[xultar]

16. Thanks for clearing that up...

I forgot about the whole conjunction junction, it's only a bill stuff. I'm just now getting back into the political game cuz I want to dig up the Shrubs @ da White House.

[mdmc]

6. I would give up my right to say the word "bitch"

Its vulger anyway. :~)

[DrWeird]

10. Fuck Clark and the horse he rode in on.

I want Bush out precisely because I don't want some nazi motherfucker taking away my civil liberties.

[xultar]

17. Again...Can he really?

I've just been schooled...It is seperate from the whole Executive Branch.

Clark can't take them away though he favors the amendment. Niether can Dennis, Dick, or Dean cuz they favor the amendment as well. You'll have to FUCK your congressman and Congresswomen.

You're gonna be busy and you'll need more than a carton of Cigs...
:smoke::smoke::smoke:

[maveric]

11. ITS THE 1ST AMENDMENT! THE 1ST ONE THEY THOUGHT OF...

BEFORE THEY CAME UP WITH THE REST OF THEM! IMO the most important of all.
HELL NO!!

[Mattforclark]

21. Actually the 1st amendment is really the 3rd amendment.

The bill of rights originally contained 2 other amendments. The 1st amendment (speech etc) was the third amendment, the second amendment (arms/militia) was the fourth, etc. But those two amendments were never ratified. One of them was congress can't vote on its own pay raises iirc, which literally waited ~200 years to become law.

[Guaranteed]

12. For me, the only reassuring answer to this question

is that the candidates are really lying. It's funny to say that I want them to be lying, but, if they're really serious, I don't know if I'll even be voting. I don't know what I'll do.

The right to burn the flag is basically the essence of freedom. Having the right to show your disagreement with your government is an integral part of a real democracy. I can under no circumstances support this, ever. To support this would be to be "giving up the ship," and everything that those who died for our country fought for.

[mlawson]

13. I think that bush (or cheney) declaring martial law would go much

farther to obliterate the first amendment, than any amendment passed during ANY Dem administration. I would prefer NO new amendments, for the record, but within the boundaries of your question, here it is.

[Guaranteed]

14. If you really, truly believe what you're saying...

my friend, and giving up the freedom to burn the flag is less harmful than what Bush would do with a second term, then......I can't really, legally, say any more, here.

[mlawson]

18. Giving up the freedom to burn the flag, vs martial law....

Let's see: Martial law, it would be legal to set any curfew the authorities prefer; citizens could literally be shot as terrorists for being outside their homes after hours, or arrested without habeas corpus, or imprisoned interminedly, or prevented from SPEAKING at all, plus 10,000 other really bad points. Plus WARS they might start.

On the other side, we keep the rights we enjoy now, we just can't burn the flag. And it wouldn't be a slippery slope, IMO.

Hmmmm.

[Guaranteed]

20. Yeah, you didn't

get what I meant. Forget it, though, seriously.

[Cat Atomic]

15. Standard wedge issue crap is coming out again. Yep.

Candidates shouldn't even touch it. They should just say something to the effect of, "We've got people dying in Iraq, unemployed at home, and you want to prattle on about symbolic bullshit like flag burning?"

Just refuse to even ackowledge it. Say it's insulting to bring up this dishonest political garbage in such a time of crisis.

[PurityOfEssence]

26. Easier said than done

but you're absolutely right if it's possible.

Man, I hate this crap. Just wait: the godcrap's coming again; I'm just trying to figure out how else it'll manifest itself besides the pledge.

Sigh.

[chaska]

19. I'm willing to risk...

that this will never happen. I'll save my fight to the death for a time when this becomes an actual possibility.

Nobody in full possesion of their senses believes this is even a remote possibility.

[Mattforclark]

22. That's my general feeling

But the President doesn't actually have a role in making constitutional amendments anyway, does he? I thought it was just the states and congress. Clark isn't running for senator.

[chaska]

23. Yeah. I'm a little rusty here, but...

I believe it makes it through both houses and then goes to the states where it must be ratified by all of them (?). Somebody who's not so damned lazy as me look that up.

I meant that Clark would speak out against it if it ever became a real possibility ... which it's not.

[populistmom]

24. No!!!

Haven't we had enough of the Constitution usurped UNDER the Bush (mis)adminisration?

[rasputin1952]

25. While I have a visceral dislike for bush and the current admin...

There is no way I could give up First Amendment, or any other Rights that are guaranteed in the BoR's.

It is bad enough that the assault on the BoR's is happening now with great vigor. I would suffer through another 4 yrs rather than see the nation dragged down because of a decision I made.

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