What exactly has General Franks, General Shelton and General

[in_cog_ni_to]

Scwartzcroft said about General Clark? I saw a short clip of Clark on Harball asking WHY Tommy Franks would say "whatever" he said because "I don't even know General Franks" Clark said. "I don't know why General Scwartzcroft said "what ever" he said, he's 10 years older than me, we never worked together and I barely know him"...Then, "What General Shelton has an "issue" with is policy. If he had a problem with policy he should have come to talk to me, not make his personal attacks on me."

WHAT??? have these men said about Clark? Bush cabal at work and to think Edwards hired Shelton. :(

[Ilsa]

1. Edwards is now on "IGNORE"

for me. I used to listen to and consider his perspective, butnot any more. I consider his hiring of Shelton a betrayal.

[Mz Pip]

2. Nothin'

They got nothin'. So they toss out a bit of innuendo to fan the flames of mistrust of Clark. These guys are hard core Bush supporters. Don't be surprised if more military brass come out against Clark. He's one candidate who's actually mentioned cutting the Pentagon budget.

MzPip
:dem:

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Do you know the innuendos

they made? I understand they're Bush supporters but, was curious about the particulars of these comments by the Generals. I know Shelton was ticked about Clark being Supreme Commander in Kosovo...so, he's just jealous. Schwartzcroft and Franks though, I have heard no remarks by them.

[Mz Pip]

11. They

implied his early retirement was due to character and integrity issues.

Hmmm 34 years in the Army, and the powers that be sought to grant him 4 stars and make him Supreme Allied Commander of Nato but now that he's a Dem I guess all that didn't count.

MzPip
:dem:

[Spazito]

3. Shelton did one of those Anne Coulter kind of smears...

using words without context, Shelton has proven only that he, himself, is a man without integrity or character.

Here is a good article about it:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089014

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Thanks for the article

link. That says a lot about Shelton! What an ass!

A wise friend once told me you can learn more about somebody from what he says about others than from what others say about him. Given what I've heard so far from Clark and Shelton, if I had to vote for one of them based on integrity and character, I'd go with Clark.

I'm going to keep that quote in mind every time I here a slanderous remark about Clark. I'll just have to consider the source.

[Avalux]

4. Well....

Shelton has said the most - stated he has issues of "character and integrity" when it comes to Clark (all stemming from the Kosovo Campaign and Clark's subsequent relief of duty). He said these things but has not elaborated, so it's slander unless he can come up with something concrete. So far, he's not talking.
Franks is an idiot, so whatever he said is bull. As far as Schwartzkopf - he doesn't know Clark and just reiterated what Shelton and Franks said. There are other Generals, including McAfee (sp) and Zinni who are Clark supporters.

[IndianaGreen]

6. They all talked about lack of integrity on the part of Clark

but none of them, I repeat, none of them has shown a scintilla of proof to back up their allegations.

As much as I would like some concrete evidence that will tarnish Clark's nearly pristine image, these bozos got nothing to say but to badmouth Clark.

Well, I am sorry, but unless they come up with evidence, I must conclude that this is nothing more than your typical sour grapes from disgruntled former generals about someone that is a couple of intellectual notches above them.

[paulsbc]

8. Schwarzkoff

was on a news program when they asked him about Clark. He said he didn't know him, and couldn't comment on him directly, but if the other generals' quotes were accurate, that was all he needed to not vote for Clark. Clark is a flash in the pan anyway, IMO, Dean has this thing wrapped :)

[charlie]

7. Did he hire Shelton?

I thought he was advising him unofficially, much like Clark advised Dean.

His presence in the Edwards camp might be because he's part of Clinton's network of pals. Edwards also has had Holbrooke and Berger coaching him.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Hollbrooke is working

for the Clark campaign. He has endorsed Clark. Same with Rubin.

[charlie]

16. Sure

He's unofficially advised Edwards too. Still, do you know if Edwards has hired Shelton? I haven't heard anything about that.

[Lady President]

10. A good personal attack

This is a little off topic, but earlier today I was talking to a friend of mine who's father is a retired General and knew Clark. When I asked about Clark my friend immediately said that his father felt Clark was a traitor, a kiss-ass, and unfit to wear the uniform. Wait... I know this sounds very negative, but this comment is coming from someone who thinks Bush* is great, but too liberal. Basically, he gave Clark a backhanded 'endorsement' for me. It wasn't your typical compliment, but Clark went up in my eyes.

You can't hold much stock in Generals opinions of one another because some feel it is their duty to support other soldiers, and some feel it is their duty to support the current Commander-In-Chief. There true views often aren't given.

[Mz Pip]

12. That fits

Clark is a traitor because he's a Dem. We've all heard that before from folks like Annthrax Coulter.

Being a Dem is the most grevious of sins. :eyes:

MzPip
:dem:

[charlie]

18. Truer than they're letting on

Military officers as a lot are a bastion of Republicanhood, so it's no wonder Clark is regarded as something of a freak. And further... try to name a general with presidential aspirations who threw his lot in with the Democrats. I can't think of one. Clark's candidacy really is unique, possibly historic.

[TacticalPeek]

13. General Christman on CNBC Capitol Report tonight

gave a calm, rational rebuttal to this star-studded catfight.

The transcript will be up someday. (rebroadcast?)

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Thanks!

I'll try to catch it. I found it. It's on at 11:00 P.M. central time, if anyone wants to watch it.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Edward is

obvously desperate for foreign policy advise! Couldn't he have gotten Zinni?????

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Actually,

I was surprised he didn't hire Zell Miller. :mad:

[Zero Division]

19. There was another military person who took shots at Clark, but

I can't remember who it was. He was interviewed as part of a piece on NPR and I can remeber him saying something like "He's never thought out-of-the-box once in his career" in response to the interviewer's mention of someone else's compliment that Clark often did think outside-of-the-box.

The sneer in his voice was so audible, that I immediately thought that he was making that smear based on intensely personal feelings, rather than objective assessment. I wouldn't be surprised if that guy described Bush in terms like "bold" and "visionary", either.

One thing's for certain, though: much of the praise that is given to Clark does suggest a man who is capable of thinking outside-of-the-box. Some of his writings about war and Iraq also suggest that, as well IMO.

[Eloriel]

21. I don't like Clark, but I hate what's going on

Shelton was out of line if he couldn't/wouldn't back it up.

Edwards is so over in my eyes I can hardly see straight. Of course, I thought it was real lame of Clark to eclipse Edwards' announcement speech the way he did, so there's possibly a little tit for tat going on.

I'll certainly not see Edwards in the same light in the future, between his race-coded attack on Dean in the debate the other night and his hiring of Shelton. And here I thought he was a fairly decent sort (aside from his IWR vote and rigid, unbending defense thereof). Now I see him as a spoiled, arrogant, opportunistic back-stabber. I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer Lieberman to Edwards these days -- and that's going some. Inept and wrong-headed (Lieberman) is one thing, vile and viciousand opportunistic (edwards) another altogether.

Eloriel