Edwards in 3rd place in NH, Clark 1 point behind, Zogby says tie

[jenk]

perhaps this is why John has Shelton on his staff? hey, it's tough going out there, and I'm sure the Clarkies are digging up some dirt on Edwards as we speak. And with Kerry in crisis, perhaps clark and edwards will be fighting over the #2 spot soon....

http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/october/10_30Edwards.shtml

By SAM YOUNGMAN

PoliticsNH.com


Oct. 30 -- Though recent polls and conventional wisdom show a two man race between Sen. John Kerry and Gov. Howard Dean for the Granite State's primary crown, many experts agree that the hot story will be the candidate who takes third.
Two recent polls suggest, if only by a slight margin, that North Carolina Sen. John Edwards may be the name in the headline of that third place story.

Last spring and early summer, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman was solidly and consistently in third place here behind Dean and Kerry. Then Lieberman slipped, and Rep. Dick Gephardt was in position to take the Granite State bronze medal. That changed for Gephardt when Wesley Clark entered the race and was welcomed with a gift of a third place position.

But last week’s Boston Globe/WBZ-TV poll of 400 likely New Hampshire voters, put Edwards in third place with 9 percent with a slight lead over Gen. Wesley Clark who came in at 8 percent; while the latest Zogby poll puts the two men in a tie for the coveted third place spot.

http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/october/10_30Edwards.shtml

[mbali]

1. Shelton is NOT on his staff!

[AP]

2. Shelton prepped JRE for Meet the Whores...and didn't mention Clark once.

(if memory serves)

I.e., where's the connection between Shelton prepping Edwards and Edwards using any of that viz Clark?

[Bombtrack]

3. Although I am an Edwards man, you're wrong on Kerry

he is not slipping to number 3 and still could beat Dean by the time the primary rolls around

[chimpymustgo]

4. Remember who won the race between the tortoise and the hare.

Edwards has a plan. This also from the article:



Zogby said a combination of Edwards’s ads, his commitment on the ground and a perceived “fizzle” in Clark’s campaign because of his decision to leave Iowa and his newcomer status in New Hampshire; have lead him to believe that Edwards is still a viable candidate.

“Given the fact that Edwards has both you’ve got to conclude that he is a player,” Zogby said, though he cautioned that a decision by the camp to go off the air at any time in the next three months could cause the “fizzle” he sees happening in the Clark campaign.

[jeter]

5. Jesus,

If Lieberman finishes in fifth place in NH is he done?

[bearfartinthewoods]

8. joe has been "done' for three years already

someone ought to tell him....

[bearfartinthewoods]

6. and now i will post something juvenille

:toast: :bounce: :kick: :party:
whoop whoop whoop!!

yeehaw!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. Bear, you need to read the current New Yorker article on Clark

I have serious reservations about him after reading it. I'll come back with a link.

http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?031117fa_fact

On his firing from SAC:

One evening in July, as Clark was dining with the President of Lithuania, he was summoned to an urgent telephone call from General Shelton. Shelton told Clark that Cohen had decided to remove him from the job in nine months, in order to make way for a new SACEUR (supreme allied command europe), General Joe Ralston. Clark was flabbergasted, and tried to protest, but Shelton rang off. Then Clark received a call from a Washington Post reporter, Bradley Graham, who’d been told about Clark’s removal. The leak was a cold-blooded, but effective, method of cutting off Clark’s escape routes. “He was probably not extended the traditional courtesies of receiving the news in an orderly and private manner,” the Defense official said. “Quite simply, we felt he could not be trusted to accept the decision.” Clark made a furious round of telephone calls, to no avail.

[Renew Deal]

10. Shelton and friends lied.

They told Clinton it was a reorginization instead of the truth. You should have second thoughts about Shelton, not Clark.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Right.

Clinton didn't know Clark was to be FIRED! He thought they were just putting him in a different position. PLUS, they informed the press without having enough respect for the General to tell him first and in private. Clark SHOULD have gone over their heads, directly to Clinton and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Shelton is a republican and for Edwards to have him as an advisor is a very slimey thing to do. I find it hard to believe that his supporters think it's OK.. That man is not to be trusted! Who's to say he isn't giving a daily report to the RNC on "inside" Democratic matters? Who's to say Shelton isn't giving up plans of action? Unbelieveable, disgusting move by Edwards. If Edwards should, out of NOWHERE, win the nomination? I would NOT vote for the slimeball. I will just not vote for the first time ever.

I have NEVER badmouthed a candidate on DU but... Edwards went over the line. Anyone who would hire a republican who is badmouthing a fellow Democrat is in bed with the republicans. IMCPO

Clark has so much more integrity.

Flame away.

[AP]

19. Clark supporters have short memories

It was just yesterday that Clark supporters argued that attending fundraisers for Republicans didn't make a guy a Republican.

Now they're arguing that getting prepped for an interview with Tim Russert by a guy who advised Clinton makes Edwards a Republican.

Right.

[bearfartinthewoods]

11. you took my whoop as a whoop for Clark? NO WAY

i whooped for Edwards.


the only thing Clark has going for him is being a southerner and that's all. I know people want to dismiss Shelton and Franks and the other general who's name escapes me as bush shills but i can't. number one, what they did was sooooo unusal in military culture that it's striking. number two is something that came to me personally.

there is a guy i know, a hiking buddy really. we have backpacked for weeks together in some really crummy conditions. for four years, we have shared shelters and hostels and some of the most miserable portions of the Appalachian Trail you could immagine.

on the trail, i avoid 'shop talk' like the plague. it drags the real world into my off time and most people's jobs aren't nearly as interesting as they think, so i never knew what he did for a living until after 9/11 when he had to drop out of a hike. i learned then, from our mutual friend, that he's a freaking three star general. there's another name for the rank but i can't remember it...leutenant general?? anyway, you could have knocked me over with a feather on that news.

a couple months ago, i sent him an article about Clark and asked what he thought. it took a long time to get the answer (i'm not really sure he is still in the country) and his answer simply said:

NO WAY. MORE TO FOLLOW.

i'm waiting to see what he has to say but given what i know about my friend, he's way more liberal than me and no bush shill FOR SURE. i also know him to be a realist and i trust his judgement. besides, there is nothing appealing to me about Clark in general. i'm not impressed by the shinny stuff on the outside if the uniform is empty.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

12. My concern is Clark can be both stubborn AND wrong

kind of like Dean...oh man, this really sucks!
Clark is pretty sharp though if there is any big plus for him. It's a very good article.

[bearfartinthewoods]

17. i know what you mean

stubborn AND wrong...bad combo. my stepdad was like that and it was hell to live with. what's the big deal with saying oooops, i blew it, restate the position and then move on.

why can't we design our own candidate?

oh well the whoop was fun while it lasted.

[DemCam]

13. There's a guy I know

who is a good friend of Wes Clark...said he is easily the smartest of all the candidates...and has so much integrity that it is staggering. That he is the "real deal"...a tireless worker and would never, ever, consciously do anything wrong.

He was a White House fellow with Clark...which was the beginning of a life-long friendship.

I take this guy's testimony over Republican Shelton and Republican Cohen anyday.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Clark has

more intelligence in his little finger than all of those badmouthing generals COMBINED. You can't tell me they aren't WH Rovian shills. Clark oozes integrity and intelligence. The generals are jealous and feel uncomfortable because he can outhink all of them and they know it.

[AP]

20. It's not about personality. It's about politics.

Those generals were trying to preserve a campaign issue for Republicans. They also probably wanted to do arms manufacturers a favor. They were upset that Clark ended the war.

[JackRiddler]

9. All of you people need to stop looking at polls...

What a bunch of irrelevant and disconnected spin.

These numbers mean nothing.

Interesting posts tell us stuff like, "Clark is for (THIS) but Edwards is for (THAT)."

Go here for the real dope on the polling numbers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=691732

[Kusala]

14. I saw Edwards interviewed over the weekend

I wasn't a big fan of his and I'm even now even more against him. His Iraq war waffling is pathetic pandering. A total fraud.

[AP]

15. I suspect the anger you're expressing is mostly driven

by, perhaps, your latent feelings that Edwards made a coherent statement about how he feels to which a lot of voters will probably respond.

If I were worried about Edward's viability, I'd probably be more so after watching MTP.