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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:09 PM
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Clark buys beer for veterans.
Rove will go nuts with this one. :evilgrin:

From ABC News' Clark campaign reporter Deborah Apton:

It was an unusual sight on the campaign trail: General Clark buying a round of beers for fellow veterans. And not just any beer …

When General Clark arrived at the VFW Post 1698 in Franklin, New Hampshire on a Veteran's Day campaign stop, he was greeted by the Color Guard and posed with them for a photo. One gentleman asked, "Can I buy you a drink, General?"

"I'd love a drink," Clark said. "Actually, a Sam Adams, that's what I drink." But the Color Guard folks were setting him up.

"Got your coin on ya?" they asked Clark. Every American military service member has a coin they carry around with them at all times — a tradition explained by one veteran as a practice that started after World War II when an Army Air Force pilot was "shot down and the only thing he had was a coin that separated him from the enemy. And everyone who saw it knew that he was American."

From that point on, it became a tradition to carry the coin "at all times." Seems General Clark forgot that tradition or perhaps he just forgot his coin. Either way, as the custom goes, if challenged to show your coin and you are without it, you buy a round of drinks.

Sam Adams for all — Clark dished out $30 for 10 beers and passed them around.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:12 PM
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1. Now I know why they gave us those coins
Wish I still had mine.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:15 PM
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2. Sounds like you're gonna have to pony up for some brews....
If you can't find yours!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:15 PM
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3. Beer, not champaign
I like that!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:15 PM
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4. Got a head on that one....
:-)
:beer:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:16 PM
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5. Hey! I like Sam Adams too !
:)
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:19 PM
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6. me too
that bit of info looks very good for Clark.

And no way Bush can compete with scenes like this. :-)
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:26 PM
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7. o yea
good man that Clark!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:37 PM
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8. That is a new one on me.
When I was in they took all my money and gave me MPC (military payment certificate) so we would not have any coins clinking about in our pockets. I never heard this bit of heritage. Maybe it was more an Air Force thing.
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:46 PM
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9. Not really an AF thing, because
when I went in I didn't get any coin, and never heard of this tradition until after I got out.

Funny thing is - we never got any dogtags, either. The explanation was that the AF was testing out the idea of not issuing dogtags as a routine thing, but only when troops went overseas. I never went overseas, so I never got any at all.

Anybody else know anything about this?
BTW - I went in in 1974.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:47 PM
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10. Sounds zoomie to me, too.
"You think I go into combat with loose change in my pocket?"

Colonel "Bat" Guano

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:56 PM
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12. lol
just watched that again the other night :)
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:49 PM
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11. That's cool - I thought the challenge coin
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 12:56 PM by rmpalmer
originated with the Special Forces, but I saw the Air Force story on a web search. Some people collect these coins.

BTW, the Big Dog collected these coins - I remember seeing a pic of them in his oval office, I can't find it at the moment but I did confirm he collected.


THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very, very much. General Lyles, thank you for your introduction and your service. I'd like to thank General Barnidge for making me feel right at home. You can tell he's pretty proud of you -- and he makes a good speech, doesn't he? I didn't know whether he was a politician or a General the first time I met him. (Laughter.) I've got the coin, General. (Laughter.) I think I know the rules. You got yours? (Laughter and applause.)

Actually, ladies and gentlemen, when I discovered these coins I decided one way I could always remember the men and women of our military is to keep every coin I receive visible. And for as long as I have been President, I have done that. And if you saw the speech I gave last night on Kosovo, when the camera zooms in I have three racks of these coins behind me. I now have nearly 300 of these, from every unit, every enlisted person, every officer, every commander that has given me one of these, I still have the coins. And every one who comes into the Oval Office sees them all -- to remember you and what you do for our country. And this will be on that desk tonight when I get home, and I thank you for it very much. (Applause.)

http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/New/html/19990611b.html

Here's Air Force story:

History of the Challenge Coin

During World War 1, American volunteers from all parts of the country filled the newly formed flying squadrons. Some were wealthy scions attending colleges such as Yale and Harvard who quit in mid-term to join the war. In one squadron, a wealthy lieutenant ordered medallions struck in solid bronze and presented them to his unit. One young pilot placed the medallion in a small leather pouch that he wore about his neck.

Shortly after acquiring the medallions, the pilots’ aircraft was severely damaged by ground fire. He was forced to land behind enemy lines and was immediately captured by a German patrol. In order to discourage his escape, the Germans took all of his personal identification except for the small leather pouch around his neck. In the meantime, he was taken to a small French town near the front. Taking advantage of a bombardment that night, he escaped. However, he was without personal identification.

He succeeded in avoiding German patrols by donning civilian attire and reached the front lines. With great difficulty, he crossed no-man's land. Eventually, he stumbled onto a French outpost. Unfortunately, saboteurs had plagued the French in the sector. They sometimes masqueraded as civilians and wore civilian clothes. Not recognizing the young pilot's American accent, the French thought him to be a saboteur and made ready to execute him. He had no identification to prove his allegiance, but he did have his leather pouch containing the medallion. He showed the medallion to his would-be executioners and one of his French captors recognized the squadron insignia on the medallion. They delayed his execution long enough for him to confirm his identity. Instead of shooting him they gave him a bottle of wine.

Back at his squadron, it became tradition to ensure that all members carried their medallion or coin at all times. This was accomplished through challenge in the following manner - a challenger would ask to see the medallion. If the challenged could not produce a medallion, they were required to buy a drink of choice for the member who challenged them. If the challenged member produced a medallion, then the challenging member was required to pay for the drink. This tradition continued on throughout the war and for many years after the war while surviving members of the squadron were still alive.

We proudly continue this tradition today with the challenge coin.

http://www.tiger2.com/coin%20history.htm

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:57 PM
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13. That's pretty cool
thanks for digging that up!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:58 PM
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14. Here's another heart-warming account
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:06 PM
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16. Great Article.
"Here's to the veterans of foreign wars, and all our veterans in America," was Clark's toast. The VFW cannot formerly endorse a candidate, but the toast made back to the general summed up the mood of the night: "General, here's to the best beer in America, and the best general in the world."

Nice, very nice. :)
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:08 PM
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17. Oh, come ON...
"General...here's to the best general in the world?" Repetitive much? ;) Seriously, that sounds really good. Nice going, General.

Later.

RJS
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:21 PM
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19. Having a beer with the Veterans
and receiving a toast like that? Clark has an edge. Don't you think? :bounce::bounce:
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:57 PM
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24. It sounds like the Pentagon brass don't like Clark much
but the troops and veterans seem to like him just fine.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:06 PM
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26. The Pentagon Brass
will bad mouth anyone who's against the squatter. It's the Veterans and the American people who really matter. He seems to be stiking a cord with them. He's an awesome guy. JMCPO and biased. :7
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:58 PM
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15. <sigh>
Can any of you imagine the arrogant squatter ever doing something like that? What a guy Clark is. Samuel Adams is my new FAVORITE beer. Thanks for the "feel good" article!
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:18 PM
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18. Samuel Adams Beer
A drought we can all support.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:30 PM
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20. B-bye, *
Shrub hasn't a prayer against this guy. ANd, in buying Sam, Wes shows impeccible taste in beer.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:44 PM
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21. Good story n/t
nt
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:51 PM
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22. Niether I nor my Father
had ever heard of this.

Dad says: It must have been a pilot thing, not for us low class enlisted men. - USAF, 1958-1963

I say: It must be a Air Farce thing, not for us squids. - USN, 1984-Present.
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:54 PM
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23. According to my squiddy and jarhead co-workers...
it's not Air Farce, it's Chair Force.

That's when I remind them that nobody ever sank an Air Force base.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:06 PM
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27. That's because
The Air Farce never has bases that go 'in harm's way'.
It's easy to be safe when you are 200 miles from the enemy.
(Although I do admire the way Air Force enlisted men convinced the officers that they should go into danger while the enlisted stay home and watch the hanger.)
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:00 PM
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25. Now that's funny. Good on the General
bet he remembers that coin all the way to the White House now!
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