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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:14 PM
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DU bashing continues on local blog....
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 01:17 PM by phillybri
I preface this by saying the guy who runs this site is a great guy, even though we rarely see eye-to-eye on ANYTHING political. He is a well-reasoned guy, but very well right of center.

All that being said, check out the lovely write up he gives DU....

http://www.federalreview.com/

DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND AND JOHN EDWARDS
Andrew Sullivan has made sport of the "far lefties" at Democratic Underground lately. Andrew understands that DU is "not representative of the left as a whole. But the fact that it exists at all," he says, "shows how alienated some parts of the United States now are." We at Federal Review provide a link to Democratic Underground because, once you sift through the fecal matter, there is some reasonable discussion and argument on that site, albeit from a left-wing perspective, and we don't want Federal Review readers to merely bounce around in the right's internet echo chamber. That's why we also link to left-of-center The New Republic and far-left-of-center The Nation. Clearly, our links aren't endorsements of the views offered on the listed sites.

But can you say the same about a candidate for President? John Edwards links only 30 sites on his blog. Among these are those offering reasoned analysis of political issues, such as Lawrence Lessig's blog, or sites by people close to the campaign such as the Stinging Nettle. But he also links Democratic Underground. Now, I'm not saying that a mere link means that Edwards supports everything written on these sites, but it is reasonable to assume that he agrees with the overall tone and sentiment of the site, and Democratic Underground is driven by anger and hate more than by the occasional reasoned analysis of a few of its posters. A sampling of the offerings:
President Bush has "demonstrated an intense, all-encompassing, and lethal contempt for human life over the past several years"

Implications that President Bush had someone murdered.
And the biggie, that Andrew Sullivan highlighted, causing the DU administrators to pull it:
I Hope the Bloodshed Continues in Iraq. Well, that should bring the bats out of the attic with fangs dripping. . . . Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accomplishing squat in Iraq, they are doing nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot. The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil baron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free.

Now I'm sure that John Edwards doesn't support such talk, and to be fair, he does say, above his listing of links, "Visit these blogs and spread the word about why you support John Edwards." But does that mean that he wants the votes of people who want the United States to fail in Iraq and our troops to die? Does he want the votes of people who think that Bush is a murderer? Or that Bush sends commandos after George Soros? Or that U.S. troops intentionally target civilians. I'm just asking. After all, Dean merely wanted southerners to vote for him, and inartfully articulated that desire by stereotyping the South. No reasonable person thought he wanted bigots on his side. Does John Edwards want these hate-mongers on his?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:18 PM
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1. Yeah, "great guy" - sure
Looks like a real reasonable analysis there, yah sure. Ask this "great guy" to sing the Horst Wessel Song. He is probably quite fond of it.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:20 PM
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2. Out Of The Attic With Fangs Dripping?
From their office:
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:20 PM
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3. Don't let them get to you
I reccomend you read this thread from an earlier time:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=695086

I think it will answer all of your questions.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:24 PM
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6. That post is part of why I posted this....
His site is one of many that are trumpeting the "DUers want dead troops" bilge.

Will Pitt was right on when he said this is tactic is making the rounds, I just wanted to illustrate it....
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:21 PM
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4. The guys a moron.
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 01:21 PM by bowens43
Or should I say he's a moran.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:22 PM
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5. Sully is a "great guy"...... for me to poop on.
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 01:34 PM by oasis
:evilgrin:
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:25 PM
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7. Hey, look, someone read my article!
Of course he appears to have completely missed the point, but thanks for the free publicity, kid!

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:29 PM
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8. RWEC - lol - more like TOTAL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE ;-)
"we don't want Federal Review readers to merely bounce around in the right's internet echo chamber"

who owns most the media... hello

there is really no escape for under $19.95 a month ;->

thank GORE he 'invented' the internet :bounce:

peace
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:29 PM
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9. Right of center?
He sounds just like any degenerate right wing repug. He may be a "great guy" to you since you know him. But his tactics seem as f#@$ed up as any other right winger's.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:40 PM
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11. You can be a good person and have f*cked-up views....
I truly believe that.

Case in point, my brother is a vicious racist and anti-Semite. Do I hate him? Not speak to him? Hell, no...
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:31 PM
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10. Andrew Sullivan is reading us?
Man, I wish I had a job that allowed me to do nothing but look at websites and pontificate to anyone who listens. Man, o man! That'd be great.

Fucking hypocritical bastard.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:41 PM
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12. WooHoo Starpass! You really set their tails on Fire. It's good,
the Democratic Resistance is having some success in waking up the Country when the RW Bloggers and hacks start to go crazy trying to smear us as "hate mongers." After all isn't life getting a little boring in their myopic minded little world, where "lock step" thinking and "group speak" talking points are the norm? And, aren't they the masters of hate mongering trying to call "the kettle black?"
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:44 PM
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13. You bet your ass I'm "alienated"
It's the right that's out of touch with reality. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK, DAMMIT!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:55 PM
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14. Who cares what Andrew Sullivan thinks about DU
or anything else. He appears to be a self important nitwit twit, that
I have never heard of.


"through the fecal matter, there is some reasonable discussion and argument on that site, albeit from a left-wing perspective, and we don't want Federal Review readers to merely bounce around in the right's internet echo chamber. That's why we also link to left-of-center The New Republic and far-left-of-center The Nation. Clearly, our links aren't endorsements of the views offered on the listed sites"

Really, does he think anybody in the world cares what he thinks about who is left-of-center or far-left-of-center?


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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:08 PM
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15. Self-important is dead-on....
Sullivan's got the holier-than-thou thing down to a tee...
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:15 PM
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16. Certainly does!
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 03:17 PM by LeahMira
Now I'm sure that John Edwards doesn't support such talk, and to be fair, he does say, above his listing of links,
"Visit these blogs and spread the word about why you support John Edwards." But does that mean that he wants
the votes of people who want the United States to fail in Iraq and our troops to die? Does he want the votes of
people who think that Bush is a murderer? Or that Bush sends commandos after George Soros? Or that U.S. troops
intentionally target civilians. I'm just asking.



I'd imagine John Edwards wouldn't even mind if a few Republicans voted for him.

What's this with "pure votes?" I know the right accuses us of "elitism" but that elite? Get real.

So tell me... does Bush want votes from atheists? Or will he graciously decline those and accept only votes from Christians and Jews?
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:16 PM
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17. The "good guy"
at federalreview is taking shots at you
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:21 PM
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18. Hi boneygrey!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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