NBC news poll: Clark leads Dean nationally

[59millionmorons]

Now this post is not to prop up Clark, but to show how silly it is for Deanies or Clarkies to keep posting polls whenever there guy leads in a poll certain poll. This shows that these two guys are the frontrunners like it or not. This also shows that Bill Press can stop saying Clark is sinking. In your face Bill.

[jeter]

1. what are the numbers?

[slinkerwink]

2. good question

;-)

[Renew Deal]

3. 17 or 18 Clark. 15 Dean

They showed it on MSNBC. I cannot find anything on the web.

[Julien Sorel]

5. Clark has yet to run a TV ad. Kind of interesting.

In the 'who is the choice of the corporate whore media' column, look at this page:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/politics_front.asp?ta=y


Clark is mentioned one time, in a negative story, while the rest of the stories bash the other candidates or fellate Dean. The idea that anyone is afraid of Howard Dean is the biggest pile of horseshit I've ever seen.

[_Jumper_]

8. He also has lower name ID than Dean

n/t

[Rose Siding]

19. Unless you were alive during Kosovo

[_Jumper_]

21. That isn't what the polls show

n/t

[Julien Sorel]

22. Kosovo has nothing to do with it.

There was a poll released about two weeks ago that showed Clark had by far the lowest name recognition of the major candidates.

[RetroLounge]

50. But the intent of THIS post is to show that Polls don't matter

:)

[RandomUser]

59. Those two items are the key

A while back, right after Clark announced, there was a poll showing Edwards leading in SC with Clark being one of the top three contenders right beneath him. I looked at the poll and pointed out that of the top four contenders, the poll showed Clark had the lowest name recognition and yet he was still in the top tier.

And now, I believe the latest poll showed Clark leading in SC :)

High rankings and low name recognition means he has the greatest potential to take the lead when his name recognition rises. The right wing media is ignoring him, trying to keep his name recognition down, in hopes he'll fade away. He still has not put out a single TV ad. If he's polling this high already, imagine what happens when this telegenic man begins TV ads.

[Mz Pip]

6. Amazing they even bothered to

announce it at all.

I have to send this to a local talk show host who repeated the lie that Clark is fading.

MzPip
:dem:

[FrenchieCat]

4. It also shows that we will have a tuff hoe to go.....

according to these articles....the war is just beginning.....


http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/031112_AComfortingMyth.htm
Right Wing media agenda for Wes Clark

http://www.arktimes.com/max/110703brantley.html
Right Wing manipulation on the candidacy of Wes Clark

[teevee]

12. they consistently prove

who they're most afraid of by attacking clark.
It's a two horse race...for certain.

[newyawker99]

48. Hi teevee!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Ilsa]

20. Uh, you mean a tough row to hoe?

Maybe it's:
A tough toe to blow?
A rough ho to sew?
A cuffed doe with roe?
I dunno.

[FrenchieCat]

25. LOL

It's you know....whatever....

Anyway, it's not going to be easy!:P

[Terwilliger]

7. that's nice...got a link?

[Renew Deal]

10. Unfortunately not yet.

They mentioned it on the B&P show. I can't find anything yet.

[Tatiana]

9. Haven't heard that one.

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Nov. 6-7, 2003. N=360 registered Democrats and independents who lean Democratic nationwide. MoE ± 6.

"Now I'm going to name nine Democrats in the race for president. After I read you their names, tell me which ONE you would most like to see nominated as the Democratic Party's presidential candidate in 2004. Here are the choices . . . ."

11/6-7
%
Howard Dean 16
Wesley Clark 15
Dick Gephardt 9
Joe Lieberman 8
John Kerry 7
**Don't know 21

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

I think the thing to be learned is that a great many people still haven't made up their minds yet.

[jumptheshadow]

11. Boy, are you right about that

Even in media savvy New York there are scads of Dems who are upset about Bush but admit that they don't know that much about the candidates.

[Julien Sorel]

13. This would be the Hart/Teeter poll, I think.

It also shows Bush is gaining strength.

[Capn Sunshine]

14. Not a day goes by

That I don't hear "Howard Dean ? Who's that?" even among democrats! So yeah, it's a long road ahead.

Even longer if you pulled out of Iowa and New Hampshire.

[KittyWampus]

15. Who Pulled Out Of New Hampshire?

:shrug:

Did Dean ever pull INTO South Carolina?

[tsipple]

23. Yup, Dean in South Carolina

Office in Columbia and another in Charleston.

[Dagaz]

16. Lieberman leads in Delaware

I don't know why the media is making NH out to be the end all to this nomination. Last year McCain won over Bush.

[SEAburb]

17. I see a trend, Dean has been hurt by the flag flap // nt

[elperromagico]

18. Yes, Clark may be leading

But every Democrat currently running for President is being beaten by Notsure Undecided, who I gather is a distant relative of the Greek author Anonymous.

When one of the candidates is beating Candidate Undecided, let me know.

[annxburns]

24. National polls don't mean ...

...anything at this point. It is organization, money and who is leading state polls. Dean is the frontrunner - no question. (By the way, Dean is not my favorite - so don't flame me)

[Bread and Circus]

44. I think it means Clark is not fading...wouldn't you agree?

And that's about all it says.

[SEAburb]

26. kick

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Kahuna]

27. I sent Press a nastygram tonight. I told him...

He is turning into a republican. And that he even has that trademark Republican smirk as he derides Clark's campaign. I told him that much like the Republicans he makes his proclamations sans any facts whatsover to back them up.

[DemCam]

28. Defeat the meme, Kahuna....

Thanks for putting your words into ears of pundits who lazily quote garbage. They need to be ridiculed by us all!

[Terwilliger]

30. Bill Press is becoming a Republican because he doesn't like Clark?

how precious :eyes:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

31. He's Picked Up the Republicans' Penchant for Lying

He's blatantly lied on at least two occasions, about Clark.

DTH

[FrenchieCat]

34. No, because

he's a media hoe......dismissing Clark as "fading"......

Which is a lie they try to make happen....

[Terwilliger]

46. ok, so now Bill Press (avowed Dem) is a right-wing presstitute? PUHLEEEEZ!

good lord...you folks would attack anything and anyone that disagrees with Clark

[sandnsea]

32. He's just pro Dean

He trashes every other candidate, has been for a while.

[Terwilliger]

29. still no link?

must be a link by now!

[robsul82]

33. What's that smell?

Oh yeah....booooooooooooooooooooooooooolshit. :D

Later.

RJS

[DoveTurnedHawk]

36. It Has Been Independently Reported by About Five Different People

On both the Clark blog and here, from a TV news story.

As for why there's no print story yet, who knows? Either they're slow, or they're keeping up their efforts to ignore Clark.

DTH

[59millionmorons]

37. Oh

And by the way Bush is down to 51%. That is low for this poll.

[robsul82]

38. Hey hey hey, WHAT is going on here?

That's cool, that's cool. My smilie is laughing, I thought it showed I was joking, but ANYWAYS! lol I'd like a link, but eh. Dean's going strong in the primaries, Clark's leading nationally...strange days indeed.

Later.

RJS

[DoveTurnedHawk]

39. Not Attacking You, Just Clarifying for the Benefit of Others

Peace.

DTH

[OKNancy]

54. WSJ - have to have a subscription

"The survey showed a close national race among Democrats, led at 17% by Mr. Clark, who entered the race in a blaze of publicity in September. Following closely behind with 15% among likely Democratic primary voters was Mr. Dean, who leads in the first primary state of New Hampshire and Wednesday picked up the powerful endorsements of the Service Employees International Union and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. Among other candidates, Mr. Gephardt received 12%, followed by Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut at 11%, and John Edwards of North Carolina at 5%."

Also: "That hasn't yet substantially altered Mr. Bush's prospects for re-election in 2004. He continues to run essentially even when matched with a generically identified Democratic opponent. And he draws no more than 52% of the vote, with leads ranging from 12 to 16 percentage points, when matched against Democratic challengers former Vermont governor Howard Dean, Retired Gen. Wesley Clark and Missouri Rep. Richard Gephardt." -- This seems odd to me; I thought that most of the Democratic candidates were consistently 4-10 points behind Bush, not 12-16.

Statistical info: "The survey of 1,003 adults, conducted Nov. 8-10, has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points."

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106867927055805000,00.html?mod=politics%255Fprimary%255Fhs

[jsw_81]

35. Maybe

But Dean is going to steamroll Clark and the others if he (Dean) wins Iowa and New Hampshire. There will be no stopping him.

[FrenchieCat]

47. That is the Bush scenario

MATTHEW MILLER

For release 11/12/03

Dean for president: A Democratic tragedy in one act?
By Matthew Miller
Tribune Media Services

Karl Rove entered the Oval Office and the president looked up.
"Close the door," Bush said, signing some papers. "I'll be with you in a sec."

Rove shut the door and took a seat on the sofa. The president joined him on the sofa opposite. He lit up in a smile.

"Well, Karl, I gotta hand it to you," Bush said.

"It does seem to be working, Mr. President."

read the rest of this One Act Play here:http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?catid=1104&custid=67

also these:
http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/031112_AComfortingMyth.htm
Right Wing media agenda for Wes Clark

http://www.arktimes.com/max/110703brantley.html
Right Wing manipulation on the candidacy of Wes Clark

[ScreamingMeemie]

40. kick

[billbuckhead]

42. Now that the media has chosen Dean , the resistance chooses the opposite

Dean is the new Kerry, only less electable.

[jumptheshadow]

49. You just hit on something here

Dean gets the spotlight and the resistance coalesces. We definitely seem to be in that cycle right now. But stay tuned, it's still early.

[Bread and Circus]

41. Oh here it is...

looks like the Dean supporters forgot to bump this.

[tom_paine]

43. I prefer Clark/Dean, but would support Dean/Clark

Not only would a Clark/Bunnypants* debate be an absolute massacre that would force the Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media to ULTRA-SOVIET levels trying to spin the Imperial "victory", but our very own Feisty Little Bastard, Dean, wouldn't be a wooden stump when Heartless Dick told his lies like "I earned my fortune without the help of the government".

:puke: :puke: :puke:

GO CLARK! (and I hope you pick Dean as your Running Mate)

[Renew Deal]

55. I agree and for the same reasons.

I think the best bedate matchup is Clark- Bush* Dean-Cheney. I don't think it would be as good the other way around, but then again Clark has big Nat. Sec. guns to point at Cheney too.

[ElementaryPenguin]

60. I concur as well, T.P.

A progressive ditto for your reasons, as well!

[JI7]

45. Bill Press ?

i don't watch his show. is he anti clark or something ? why ? and who does bill press support ?

[Renew Deal]

53. I heard he is for Dean but...

Clark was on his show last week. I didn't see it but everyone was talking about how he was snarling at Clark. People here were kind of pissed.

[HFishbine]

51. All this discussion

and still no link to a source for this poll... ???

[Renew Deal]

52. Isn't that crazy?

They showed it during B & P last night. It was a NBC news poll. I guess look for it today. EIther that, or it is being squashed because Clark is leading.

[OKNancy]

56. Check post 54

no text

[HFishbine]

57. Thank you

:)

[KittyWampus]

58. But Clark Is Fading!!!

:D

These polls are such ephemeral things... made of moon shine .... or is that monkey shine....