What's our winning issue in 2004?

[Fixated]

I did this in non-poll form, but what the hell, this is my first poll ever.

[Wwagsthedog]

1. Unemployment because it is the only issue that Americans comprehend

n/t

[rucky]

2. Class War!

Spread this stat around: the top 10% own 70% of the nation's wealth. The gap has widened every year * has been in office.

If you think you're on the top 10%, you're not.
If you haven't climbed on the bus yet, it left without you. buh-bye.


having said that, I voted healthcare because the healthcare gap is most representative of our 3rd world caste system.

[Pale_Rider]

3. Are you better off than you were ...

... four years ago?

[rucky]

18. "9/11 Changed all that"

malarkey, i know. But way too many people believe that it's an unfair question.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

35. How about "Bush fecked up on 911"

100% true and effective. Someone needs to call him on the fact he utterly failed to protect not only our major city, but the goddamn headquarters of our military. If Bush had ONE OUNCE of integrity, he would have resigned the next day. Every day he is in office threatens our national security even more.

[MrSoundAndVision]

4. Not unemployment because...

the numbers may improve, and then what "see my tax break worked' and end of discussion. We'll certainly see an improved spin on unemployment as the election approaches anyway. The war will still be there, and the lies will still be there, and massive evidence that the situation is worsening will (hopefully) really start to piss of Americans.

[rucky]

6. Working Poor

those numbers will not improve under this administration

[CDK_NWIH]

5. The Environment

I think people also respond to being poisoned.

Bush killed Kyoto; people know that. They also know that a Bush "boom" won't make a difference if we can't live on the planet.

Anyone notice all the strange weather lately?

THIS is a big issue that EVERYBODY can understand!

[CDK_NWIH]

7. Of course...

It won't make a difference if that pig, Soro$ makes us look like the party of the rich! He's taking that issue away from us!

[rucky]

8. What a bastard!

Spending his millions on progressive causes. Why can't he just be greedy and selfish like the rest of 'em?

[arcane1]

9. if we got branded the party of the rich

which is bloody unlikely, then who will they call the party of the welfare queens and leeches of society?

:eyes:


of course Mr Scaife never gets mentioned, anywhere...

[sweetheart]

12. soros fights the good fight

I can't fault him in the least. I think he'd make a great secretary of the treasury in the next democratic administration.

[CDK_NWIH]

13. Uh...

don't we always berate the other guys for being the party of he rich?

Just because he happens to like the palestinians and support progressive causes, he's still RICH on the backs of workers.

[arcane1]

15. support progressive causes

nuff said

[Tinoire]

22. I disagree with you

Soros does not support progressive causes any more than Bush does. Soros is the other half of the Carlyle equation that sets up bogus organizations of a supposedly benevolent nature that mostly serve as CIA fronts for the destabilization of other countries.

Did you know Soros wrote letters to Bush pushing for this war?

He is the man behind the destabilization and monetary destruction of Ukraine, Belosrussia and also involved up to the neck with Clinton's garden party in Yugoslavia. He triggered the huge Asian economic crisis that began in 1997, was involved in the Mexican bailout with their President Ernesto Zedillo. He manipulated the stock markets here by dumping an obscene amount of tech stocks in one day and causing a panic in our markets after Bush took office. Most recently, he worked on the Euro, pushing the U.S. dollar down to a near all-time low.

Responsible for breaking the Bank of England in 1992 and made a cool 1 Billion US$ that angry British taxpayers had to come up with.

Soros is in a huge fight with the Russian part of the world, has been for a long, long time. Putin just arrested his best billionaire bud- (OIL of course) and had Soros offices raided and shut down yesterday.
Also seized every computer, disk, and file in Soros' office.

Soros is the worst thing that could happen to us. He already has one specific candidate in mind with whom he's worked closely in the past and sits on several boards with. What Soros is trying to do is buy himself a Presidency. This election is looking worse to me with every passing day. You know how much I hate Bush but I would rather have Bush than the smarter Bush Soros is aiming for.

Soros approves of Bush's policies, the only thing he disagrees with is how those policies are being carried out.
Please check out the two threads I mentioned to Sweetheart earlier.

Peace

:hi:

[snippy]

21. There are many rich democrats and liberals. Unlike republicans, they are

the rich people who love their country more than they love their money.

[sweetheart]

24. what are we the party of?

Some details on what constitutes voting intention from "the economist" nov 8th 2003

In the 2000 election, 63% of those who went to church more than once per week voted for George Bush; 61% of those who never went to church voted for Al Gore. About 70% of those who said abortion should always be available voted for Mr. Gore; 74% of those who said it should always be illegal voted for that criminal scumbag. ;-)

Wealth is NOT an indicator of voting direction. You're running old class warfare software... time for an upgrade... or your a low post count divisive infiltrator taking me for a ride.

Either way, your off the mark.

[Tinoire]

17. Soros is as dirty as they come

Please go through these threads. There were three others that same day-if you need then, I'll hunt for them when I get home. They were all very revealing out this "friend" to the Dem Party.

This is no GIFT! Have you been following the Russian scandal and the political opposition to Putin that Soros has been funding for his oil friends who also just happen to be Bush's oil friends.

Soros... also Carlyle. :scared:

How are you? Long time no see :)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=211930

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=214046#top

nolabels (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-13-03 11:02 AM
Response to Original message

124. That neat but nasty little war that ties all these people together

I hate to say it, but I think the phrase "Follow the money" is an end to its self

http://www.youthofamerica.com/Watch_News/BOSNIA.htm
(snip)
The Truth About Bosnia

It is a point of interest that an advisor to Serb leader Radovan Karadzic has been Sir Alfred Sherman, who has operated from an apartment next door to Karadzic's office. According to published research, Sherman is known as the "inventor of Margaret Thatcher", and he was at the forefront of the maneuvering that led to her election.

The Serbs were funded by the Elite via Belgrade banks involving in massive drug money laundering. It is also
amazing how many "foundations" were set up in the former Yugoslavia by financial speculator George Soros. He has set up these fronts in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Belgrade. Soros is a close friend of Lawrence
Eagleberger at Kissinger Associates, the former US ambassador to Belgrade and a close ally of Slobodon Milosevic.

According to writer and researcher Ben Vidgen, writing in Nexus magazine in February 1996, America, Germany and Israel were running a secret airlift of arms to Croatia and Bosnia from the start of the conflict.
French journalists revealed in 1994 that CIA agents were luring Bosnian Muslims into reckless and hopeless counter-attacks against the Serbs on false promises of US support - a fact backed up by George Kenney, an
American official in charge of Yugoslav affairs at the US State Department until he quit in disgust on August 14, 1992. Warren Hough states that while the Muslims were set up, the Kissinger network was playing the "good guy-bad guy" game, which manipulators use so often. It involved the two Serb leaders, Milosevic and Karadzic. According to Hough:

"Under this scenario, Milosevic, the client of Kissinger Associates, publicly repudiated and condemned the illegal onslaught of Karadzic's troops against Bosnian Muslims. But covertly the Milosevic government furnished the "renegade" forces of Karadzic with all the weapons and support they needed to wage an implacable " war of extermination" against their Muslim neighbors. Muslin resupply was, of course, blocked by the UN arms embargo."
(snip)

[arcane1]

19. did you get my PM?

about the movie saturday?


:hi:

[Tinoire]

23. Lol yes.... Will PM you immediately...

Had to make sure it didn't conflict with a party to which I already committed. It doesn't. I'll be there :)

With bells on my toes if we go to that same place for a late evening drink... I want to dance to 50 cents ;)

[sweetheart]

20. i dunno about that

Geez, well i'm not informed as to the big picture of soros... i know some brits really have an issue with him for betting against the pound/erm and forcing britain to float its currency to the tune of billions in profit... he has been making big bux betting against the dollar more recently.

It seemed by the news i read that he was putting a lotta cash where i just run my mouth.

Hi there :-) I was away cuz the new rules and getting censored too much really got me peaved... its good to be back. thanks.

[Tinoire]

26. Hanging out on Pravda again? lol

I hate the censorship too. I think we've gone a little over-board but I'm more upset about the right-wing direction we've taken. Even .005mm to the right is too much for me! :)

On the surface admittedly, it is a good thing... but once you see how this guy operates, it's frightening. He hides his operations behind all sorts of "Centers for Democracy" as he rapes and plunders other countries.

Check out those two threads... They're full of info. I'm going to be sading through that tonight because there's so much in there.

He's Carlyle too.

What are the Pravda forums saying about him now that his good friend?
I'm going to head over there if I can tonight... Have a social thing I can't miss but I really am curious!

Peace. Mir. Do Svidaniya!



Yukos chief Khodorkovsky has become a leading Russian voice in the West in recent years. He was the first Russian oil baron to send crude directly to the United States -- Texas to be exact -- and was key in establishing high-level energy talks between both countries. He has also tied himself to the Rothschilds, one of the West's most influential banking families, and set up a fund -- the Open Russia Foundation -- to promote ties between former Cold War foes. Influential U.S. foreign policy guru Henry Kissinger sits on Open Russia's board, as does Lord Jacob Rothschild.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/120903carlylerussia.html
---

Moscow- Fifteen years since it started work in post-Soviet Russia, US billionaire George Soros's foundation has been "paralysed" after 50 camouflage-clad men seized its Moscow offices and removed computer records and archives.

Yekaterina Geniyeva, the head of Soros's Open Society Institute in Russia, told journalists yesterday that the raid, ordered by the building's owner ostensibly because of a dispute over rent, appeared to be politically motivated.

The raid, at about midnight on Thursday, came just days after Soros publicly criticized the jailing of Russian oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky as "persecution" that would force business to submit to the state.

The organisation had lost all information on its 1,000 grant recipients.

source: http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=282302

All from this recent DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=214046#top

[sweetheart]

10. voter registration and turnout

The issue is getting people to the polls. It is 100% a question of turnout... that is the winning issue.

[Fixated]

11. ....

Good point, turnout is huge.

[maggrwaggr]

14. Are you proud to have a liar as president?

Was the war good for you?

Are you happy Bush has run up the defecit to record levels?

Is Bush making sure your children get a good education?

Where's OUR 87 billion?

[funkyflathead]

16. Are you better off than in 2000?

As for me NO!

[Minstrel Boy]

25. "Are you safer than you were four years ago?"

And the answer is HELL NO.

Turn the fear they've stirred up against them:

9/11 on Bush's watch
Bin Laden free
Bin Laden's flown
"anthrax killer"?
al qaeda recruitment "supercharged"
alliances smashed
goodwill squandered
renewed nuclear proliferation
Clinton's Agreed Framework abandoned - voila! - N Korea has nukes
Afghanistan again a failed state
Mullah Omar free
Taliban returning
record Afghan heroin crop threat to America
military strength wasted and troops bogged down
"homeland security" a joke

[burr]

27. National Security lapses is the killer issue in 2004!!!

If Jimmy Carter was labeled as weak because of the Iran hostage Crisis and the Soviet Invasion of Afganistan...how hard will it be for us to pin 9/11 on Shrub's incompetence, and the decreases in morale along with military pay in our armed services to Shrub's inability to handle money?

By spreading our armed forces thinly through two occupied countries, and reducing revenue needed to fund basic security needs, we can easily make the case shrub has weaken our nation for another such terrorist attack. We can point out that the President's first duty is as Commander-in-Chief, and defeat shrub by reminding people of his disaster in this most essential role as President!

The other issues I would focus on to win are the record high deficits under shrub and naturally...healthcare reform.

[Jonte_1979]

28. Budget deficits

Even most republicans will have to admit that W has been pretty bad on fiscal matters.

[snippy]

29. This is a good issue. Republican presidents always run up huge deficits.

Since Kennedy was president the federal government has accumulated about $3.5 trillion in total deficits. Of this total, about $3.2 trillion was accumulated in the 22 years under republican administrations. About $300 billion was accumulated in the 20 years under democratic presidents.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/sheets/hist01z3.xls
(Note that the estimates for 2003 and subsequent years are no longer valid. They are now substantially higher. Also, the budget for the first year of a presidential term is from the previous term. So for example, the budget for fiscal year 1993 was Poppy Bush's last one and the budget for 2001 was Clinton's last.)

[Fixated]

30. ....

The estimate over the next decade is a $5 trillion deficit.

[burr]

31. I disagree...

most repuke voters could care less about shrub's record on fiscal matters. This is something that usually wins younger voters and non-partisans. Healthcare and the economy will increase Democratic turnout. And nailing shrub on national security failures is the key to winning Republican votes IMHO.

[snippy]

37. Democrats don't need republican votes. They need independent votes.

The republican base would vote for a lump of coal provided they were told it was republican. So would the democratic base. Independent voters decide elections if both parties turn out their base.

[burr]

38. most Repukes are just plan fools...

others are in that party by tradition, but are with us on many issues. It is the second group of voters that our party must convert in order to survive in the future.

[snippy]

40. I agree.

[jeter]

32. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS

Not only the fact that we have lost jobs, but also the quality of jobs being offered.

Our motto should be "What happened to the American Dream?"

[Hailtothechimp]

33. 9/11

He'll run on it, so it must be taken away and used against him. Stonewalling the Kean commission is a sign that many things are being hidden, and if he wins another 4 years we'll never learn the truth. And I for one demand to know the truth.

[Terwilliger]

34. other: revolution

couldn't hoit

[stickdog]

36. All of the above.

See Dean's appearance on CNN last night.

[Blue_Roses]

39. how 'bout all of the above

n/t

[TrogL]

41. gay marriage

You never know.